Are you a Manichean and an Apocalypse Cultist?

Discussion in 'The Spirit of the USA' started by Dolours, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I suppose it is quite a terrible thing for a Catholic to say , but if I were them I would stay well away from the Vatican Leadership at the moment. My sense of things is that they utterly, utterly despise Donald Trump and Evangelicals. As a matter of fact my sense of things is that they would despise them almost as much as they would despise, hate and fear me. In fact in the old days they would probably have put people like me on a bonfire. Trump would probably get off with a prison cell, but I would certainly be for the fires.

    There is an old Chinese saying I love,

    'Treat a lion like a lion'.

    I know where these people are coming from and they would know right away the place here I am coming from. The very,very last place I would expect form these folks is any kind of mercy from them, no matter how much they talk about it. They would just regard me and my Traditional Catholic views with total horror. It would be war to the knife. I could actually see some of the swooning when I opened my mouth. It's just no good pretending about it, that's the way it is.

    We are supposed to be the intolerant ones but hey they're the one 's in charge. What power have we got?

    We're dealing with lions here, it's time to get real.

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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    You may think I am going way overboard her but Listen to Cardinal Burke talk about the, 'Diabolical forces that have entered the Church'.

    Things are very,very,very bad

     
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  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I REPEAT

    RUSSIA MUST BE CONSECRATED TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY

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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    It is the truth. You have spoken absolute truth. I have had three "lion" dreams over the course of my life. As vivid today as when they occurred. I was inder no illusion as to the identity of this ragged prowling lion seeking whom he could devour. These poor blind souls in the Vatican! Don't they read scripture. Old and New Testament are very clear about bad shepherds. Their fate is ghastly. God have mercy! How grateful I am to not have their responsibility. It is frightening enough to answer for what God has entrusted to me. May they accept God's grace before it is too late. When Jesus warned us that we would thrown out of the synagogue by religious leaders and persecuted by the very ones who hold the crozier and those persecuting would be convinced they were doing God's will---all I can say is we are there! The warning rings loud for us. Honestly it is like some mad circus full of clowns. Or distorted mirrors. I keep thinking of St Anthony's warning. "They will be utterly insane and they will say: you are mad!! You are not like us. " what to do except pray? At my holy hour today I found myself so tired and yawning that I was sad and embarrassed. How rude to talk to my dearest friend Savior and Guide and be all but asleep. Saturday I had to leave early for the same reason. And prayer and adoration are so necessary but there I was nodding off. So all we can do right now is pray and watch and intercede but I am like the apostles!!:mad::(o_O(n):confused: Couldn't even watch one hour. Of course being old and having taken care of my son and his wife and little ones for five weeks may account for it. Sigh. I start again tomorrow. New day new start. Padraig I hope and I pray that I am on your team when they come to take us away. :)
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    I have a dear friend and--I am convinced--a saint who had a vision some years ago at a charismatic conference. She said it utterly terrified her and when she came out the other side of it she was as white as a sheet. She looked ariund get but no one else seemed to be affected except a priest a few seats down. He too was white as a sheet and seeing her he motioned her into the hall. They realized they had both received the vision. They saw the Vatican and it was at St. Peter's square and it was filled with two groups. One group was dressed like pilgrims in plain dark clothes and they were prostrate on the ground beseeching God for mercy. The other group were prelates and priests and Cardinals and they were eating and drinking and laughing and carousing and they were contemptuous of the pilgrims. My friend said she and the priest were chilled by the sense of evil. This happened to her some years ago but it never left her. She was exhorting us to pray pray pray for the Church and our shepherds. I thought it might be useful to share this.
     
  6. AED

    AED Powers

    Just read this Dolours. What you say makes a lot of sense.
     
  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    ‘Confusion and error’ from Catholic leaders may be sign of end times: Cardinal Burke

    LOUISVILLE, Kentucky, August 8, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) -- “Confusion, division, and error” within the Catholic Church coming from “shepherds” even at the highest levels indicate that we “may be” in the end times, said U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke in an address in Kentucky.

    The Cardinal, who spoke at the July 22 “Church Teaches Forum” in Louisville, said that, in his opinion, the times “realistically seem to be apocalyptic.”

    “We are living in most troubled times in the world and also in the Church,” he said.

    Burke, one of the Church’s leading canon law experts, outlined how evils now commonly accepted in the West’s “ravaged” culture have now managed to infiltrate the Church, passing from the shepherds to the sheep. Cardinal Raymond Burke preaches during opening Mass of the 27th annual 'Church Teaches Forum' on July 20, 2017. Glenn Rutherford

    “But, in a diabolical way, the confusion and error which has led human culture in the way of death and destruction has also entered into the Church, so that she draws near to the culture without seeming to know her own identity and mission, without seeming to have the clarity and the courage to announce the Gospel of Life and Divine Love to the radically secularized culture,” he said.

    He cited as one example the recent remarks from the president of the German bishops’ conference, Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who said that the legalization of same-sex “marriage” in Germany was not a major concern for the Church. Instead, Marx said that the Church should be more concerned about what he called intolerance towards persons suffering from same-sex attraction.

    Silent shepherds
    Burke, who is one of the four Cardinals who signed the dubia asking Pope Francis to clarify ambiguities in his teaching, said there are “many shepherds” who are no longer truly shepherding the faithful entrusted to them.

    “For whatever reason, many shepherds are silent about the situation in which the Church finds herself or have abandoned the clarity of the Church’s teaching for the confusion and error which is wrongly thought to address more effectively the total collapse of Christian culture,” he said.

    Burke said that one clear sign to him that the Church is “failing badly” in her mission is that she is no longer facing hostile attacks from secular media.

    “Some time ago, a Cardinal in Rome commented on how good it is that the secular media are no longer attacking the Church, as they did so fiercely during the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI,” he said. “My response was that the approval of the secular media is, on the contrary, for me a sign that the Church is failing badly in her clear and courageous witness to the world for the salvation of the world,” he added.

    He specifically noted how secular media has pitted those who are being faithful to perennial Catholic teaching against Pope Francis and his “pastoral” agenda for the Church.

    Cardinal Burke accused “secular voices” of promoting Pope Francis as a “reformer who is a revolutionary, that is, as one who undertakes the reform of the Church by breaking from the Tradition, the rule of the faith (regula fidei) and the corresponding rule of law (regula iuris).”

    “Regarding the frequent statements of Pope Francis, there has developed a popular understanding that every statement of the Holy Father must be accepted as papal teaching or magisterium. The mass media has certainly wanted to pick and choose among the declarations of Pope Francis, in order to demonstrate that the Catholic Church is undergoing a revolution and is changing radically its teaching on certain key questions of faith and especially of morals,” he said.

    'Idolatry of the papacy'
    The Cardinal noted how the Pope does not help the situation by regularly choosing to “speak in a colloquial manner, whether during interviews given on airplanes or to news outlets, or in spontaneous remarks to various groups.”

    He said that Catholics seeking to remain true to Christ and the Church he founded must learn to discern between the “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth.”

    “Pope Francis has chosen to speak often in his first body, the body of the man who is Pope. In fact, even in documents which, in the past, have represented more solemn teaching, he states clearly that he is not offering magisterial teaching but his own thinking,” the Cardinal said.

    “But those who are accustomed to a different manner of Papal speaking want to make his every statement somehow part of the Magisterium. To do so is contrary to reason and to what the Church has always understood. It is simply wrong and harmful to the Church to receive every declaration of the Holy Father as an expression of papal teaching or magisterium,” he added.

    Burke has previously called the Pope’s controversial 2016 Amoris Laetitia “not an act of the magisterium” but a “personal reflection of the Pope.” The Apostolic Exhortation has been interpreted by various bishops and cardinals as allowing civilly-divorced-and-remarried Catholics living in adultery to receive Holy Communion. Such an interpretation contradicts previous Catholic teaching.

    The Cardinal said that making the distinction between “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth” is crucial for showing “ultimate respect” for the Petrine Office while staying true to the perennial teachings of the Catholic faith.

    “Without the distinction, we would easily lose respect for the Papacy or be led to think that, if we do not agree with the personal opinions of the man who is Roman Pontiff, then we must break communion with the Church,” he said.

    He warned Catholics about falling into an “idolatry of the papacy” where every word spoken by the Pope is treated as if it were doctrine, “even if it is construed to be contrary to the very word of Christ, for example, regarding the indissolubility of marriage.”

    Any declaration of the Pope, said Burke, must be understood “within the context of the constant teaching and practice of the Church, lest confusion and division about the teaching and practice of the Church enter into her body to the great harm of souls and to the great harm of the evangelization of the world.”

    “The faithful are not free to follow theological opinions which contradict the doctrine contained in the Holy Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, and confirmed by the ordinary Magisterium, even if these opinions are finding a wide hearing in the Church and are not being corrected by the Church’s pastors as the pastors are obliged to do,” he added.

    The Cardinal warned Catholics in anguish over the current situation within the Church against even thinking about schism, that is, separating themselves from the Catholic Church headed by the Pope in the hope of creating a better Church.

    “There can be no place in our thinking or acting for schism which is always and everywhere wrong,” he said.

    “Schism is the fruit of a worldly way of thinking, of thinking that the Church is in our hands, instead of in the hands of Christ. The Church in our time has great need of the purification of any kind of worldly thinking,” he added.

    Continued......
     
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  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    More....

    Overcoming the crisis
    Burke laid out a number of practical ways Catholics striving to be faithful can respond to the current crisis within the Church. They must:

    • Pray for an increase of faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ “Who is alive for us in the Church and Who never fails to teach sanctify and guide us in the Church” and whose “teaching does not change.”
    • “Study more attentively the teachings of the faith contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and be prepared to defend those teachings against any falsehood which would erode the faith and thus the unity of the Church.”
    • Gather together to “deepen their faith and to encourage one another.”
    • Go to the Blessed Virgin Mary…in order to seek her maternal intercession.
    • Invoke frequently throughout the day the intercession of Saint Michael the Archangel
    • Pray daily to St. Joseph, especially under the title of “Terror of Demons” for the “peace of the Church, for her protection against all forms of confusion and division which are always the work of Satan.”
    • Pray for the Pope, especially through the intercession of St. Peter.
    • Pray for the Cardinals of the Church that they be of “true assistance to the Holy Father in exercising his office.”
    • “Remain serene because of our faith in Christ who will not permit the ‘gates of hell’ to prevail against his Church.”
    • “Safeguard especially our faith in the Petrine Office and our love for the Successor of Saint Peter, Pope Francis.”
    Cardinal Burke urged Catholics to not “worry whether these times are apocalyptic or not, but to remain faithful, generous and courageous in serving Christ in His Mystical Body, the Church.”

    “For we know that the final chapter of the story of these times is already written. It is the story of the victory of Christ over sin and its most deadly fruit, eternal death,” he said.

    “It remains for us to write, with Christ, the intervening chapters by our fidelity, courage, and generosity as His true co-workers, as true soldiers of Christ. It remains for us to be the good and faithful servants who await to open the door for the Master at His Coming,” he added.
     
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    God bless and protect Cardinal Burke. Christ has not left us orphaned. This good shepherd has just given us guidelines to get through the apocalyptic times we are in with charity and faith and hope.
     
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  10. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It took these good bishops and cardinals a long time to recognize we are in the end-times, but at least they are there now.
     
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  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I didn't see that you posted this and I created a thread for it, sorry! I hope that everyone sees this LifeSite article. IMO, this huge.
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I remain puzzled as to why Cardinal Burke and the others have not followed up on the Dubia. Even if they have decided to sit still to explain why this is so. I am reluctant to be critical because they show such great courage, but they have kind of left things hanging.

    But who knows really?
     
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  13. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    It seems like the sanest and wisest thing for any devout Catholic to do these days is to ignore most of what Francis says and does.

    Pray, pray the Rosary, be faithful to Truth, and ignore most of what today's Rome comes out with.
     
  14. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Cardinal Burke warns against ‘idolatry of the papacy’


    LOUISVILLE, Kentucky, August 9, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) -- To treat every word uttered by the Pope as if it were official Church teaching would be to fall into an “idolatry of the papacy,” said Cardinal Raymond Burke in a recent address at a Catholic conference in Kentucky.

    The Cardinal, who spoke at the July 22 “Church Teaches Forum” in Louisville, said that Catholics seeking to remain true to Christ and the Church he founded must learn to discern between the “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth.”

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    Cardinal Raymond Burke preaches during opening Mass of the 27th annual 'Church Teaches Forum' on July 20, 2017. Glenn Rutherford
    “Pope Francis has chosen to speak often in his first body, the body of the man who is Pope. In fact, even in documents which, in the past, have represented more solemn teaching, he states clearly that he is not offering magisterial teaching but his own thinking,” the Cardinal said.

    “But those who are accustomed to a different manner of Papal speaking want to make his every statement somehow part of the Magisterium. To do so is contrary to reason and to what the Church has always understood,” he continued.

    “It is simply wrong and harmful to the Church to receive every declaration of the Holy Father as an expression of papal teaching or magisterium,” he added.

    READ: ‘Confusion and error’ from Catholic leaders may be sign of end times: Cardinal Burke

    The Catholic Church holds that a pope teaches infallibly when “in virtue of his office...he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.” The Church also holds that when the pope in the “exercise of the ordinary Magisterium” proposes a teaching that “leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals” the faithful “are to adhere to it with religious assent.” These teachings are found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

    Burke has previously called the Pope’s controversial 2016 Amoris Laetitia “not an act of the magisterium” but a “personal reflection of the Pope.” The Apostolic Exhortation has been interpreted by various bishops and cardinals as allowing civilly-divorced-and-remarried Catholics living in adultery to receive Holy Communion. Such an interpretation contradicts previous Catholic teaching.

    Burke called it “absurd” for anyone to think that Pope Francis as Vicar of Christ on earth could officially “teach something which is not in accord with what his predecessors, for example Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Saint John Paul II, have solemnly taught.”

    The Cardinal said that making the distinction between “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth” is crucial for showing “ultimate respect” for the Petrine Office while staying true to the perennial teachings of the Catholic faith.

    "Without the distinction, we would easily lose respect for the Papacy or be led to think that, if we do not agree with the personal opinions of the man who is Roman Pontiff, then we must break communion with the Church,” he said.

    Any declaration of the Pope, said Burke, must be understood “within the context of the constant teaching and practice of the Church, lest confusion and division about the teaching and practice of the Church enter into her body to the great harm of souls and to the great harm of the evangelization of the world.”

    Burke said that Catholics must be diligent not to be led astray by false teaching.

    “The faithful are not free to follow theological opinions which contradict the doctrine contained in the Holy Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, and confirmed by the ordinary Magisterium, even if these opinions are finding a wide hearing in the Church and are not being corrected by the Church’s pastors as the pastors are obliged to do,” he said.
     
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  15. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Lord Jesus, have pity on us, as you did with the crowds:

    Matthew 9:36New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

    36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    In case you missed it the Holy Father stamps on those Catholics who think they are perfect and despise others:


    http://www.catholicnews.com/service...d-by-perfect-catholics-who-despise-others.cfm


    The very latest in a long line of very insulting and disparaging rants against people who are not named and so we are left guessing about who the Holy Father is turning the very heavy artillery might be. Well my guess would be in the first place Cardinals and Bishops who are asking very inconvenient questions. Second all those who are asking questions. It is a return to a theme. Those who ask questions are Pharisees, holier than thou, proud, open to change, disobedient, etc, etc, etc.

    The people on the other hand who are never attacked are the, 'sinners' , pro aborts , pro sexual deviance , prop adultery. These must be , 'Accompanied'. The , 'Sinners' get private phone calls and audiences, get invited unto exclusive Vatican boards and positions. Hand shakes and smiles. The Catholics who ask questions get the back of the Pope's verbal hand.

    Funny old world.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/n...y-pope-francis-to-speak-at-catholic-church-in

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