Cupich is obviously, demonstrably one of the most evil Churchmen in the world. If posts about him cause you to leave the forum, my condolences to the folks wherever you end up.
"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he's in error." The above can be twisted as the "Turn the Other Cheek" quote of Jesus is .. often. Yes but ...... what are the shades of error? When "Error" becomes EVIL do we stay silent and turn the other cheek?? I think not! There is a time to quietly "absorb" the transgressions of family/friends and a time to Fight Like Hell when confronted by EVIL!! The Church and our Societies are in the mess they are in because parishioners/citizens sat on their thumbs .... silent .... whilst EVIL, at first, quietly infiltrated and now is a raging Demon. Pervert Sex Scandals = Countless victims, confused/angry Faithful and $$ Billions. Abortion, Perversion and godless government, schools and nations desolving! Nope!! The Storm is NOW!! The Time to take back our Church and Nations is NOW!! ............ It ain't gonna be pretty but it's our own damn fault!! GOD FORGIVE US!! .... SAVE ALL HERE!!
Is to "Fight Like Hell" to just talk about it with others or is it a call to action? You've got the talking part done, now what? Have you written a letter to the Holy Father, prayed about it, asked Cupich not to take the commission? Or do you sit on a forum and complain about it? (This is all rhetorical) My point is, only complaining on a web site isn't going to change anything of substance. If someone started the thread "petition to the Holy Father to rethink his appointment of B Cupich" or "AB Cupich, let pray for him to convert", then someone attempting to actually get something done. Just calling the guy "evil" doesn't do anything of substance to fix the situation.
LMBB, At my age and current residence in the Back Woods I am Fighting Like Hell in the trenches of the Blogosphere. A 21st Century Watchman on the Wall, if you will! I hope that the scores of e-mails I put out here and many other venues is, at least, awakening some people to The Storm/Danger upon us. It's too late for "petitions" that never get past the 3rd Class Wipers! Too Late, I believe, to save our Church & Nations as they exist now. We have dithered too long with "Turn the Other Cheek" and Singing Kumbaya to/with manifest EVIL. That's why God's directed Storm is here. We have not followed his Laws and/or heeded the Messengers He has sent. GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
I completely understand and mostly agree with you. My hang up is just calling someone evil without a course of action to correct the evil is mostly a waste of time. Even in the woods, only on the blogosphere, you can point out the evil at hand and recommend prayers to correct that evil. Pointing out evil without action is one of the reasons we're at the point we are within the Church (I believe). You're a military guy, as am I. Would you ever identify your target (enemy) and not pull the trigger? Of course not. As far as I've seen, people as of late have no problem identifying the target, but when it's time to commit to an action (pulling the trigger) they stop. I'm simply saying pointing out the enemy isn't good enough anymore. We need to pray for these people as an action to eliminate the enemy.
Say there was a Company selling fake goods. If I posted on the internet I would alert people to the evil and they could take action to avoid it. Same goes for Archbishops. Issuing a warning is always a good step. I hope that if their were a burgalr operating in my area someone would knock my door and warn me. Same goes for stealers of souls.
Right. And this is a forum dedicated to prayer. One would assume members are already ardently praying. In fact, if in every post members were told they need to pray, members would rightly assume the poster was implying they DON'T pray to begin with. Of course that's been done here quite a bit. But it has been employed against only those defending the Faith against this modernist onslaught. A bit hypocritical when one thinks about it a bit. Folks who recognize our peril are already the ones praying the most. And if one suggests prayer AND fasting AND being willing to carry the cross and accept suffering? Crickets.
Brian, that's insulting to the many good men and women on this forum who do each of those (pray, fast, carry their crosses and suffer) on a daily basis, but choose not to engage incessant fear mongering and pope bashing.
1. This person is NOT evil. His action may be but we are all called to God and until He gives up on him, I don't believe any of us should. 2. Warning people is a good step (identifying evil), but that's not the last step. Piling on more and more, identifying what this person is doing is evil isn't accomplishing much of anything. We read the article, his core beliefs are wrong... got it. Now what?Re-identify this persons actions are wrong?.. or do something about it? Playing off your burglar analogy; yes, someone warns you about a burglar. Now, what do you do?.. Lock your doors and secure your windows. <- this is the action after identification that needs to be done now.
At this point, it doesn't seem very "dedicated to prayer" to me. Seems like a good place to start a schism.
It is our responsibility to pray for our Holy Father and Bishops - especially those in error. Let us not criticize them but "pray, pray, pray."
You know I was very innocent about all this until not long ago and I am someone who has followed Marian Prophecy since I was a child. Pope benedict when he was Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of reports coming in from all over the world of Marian Apparitions. He spoke of this as being in the greatest series of Marian Phenomena in the hsitory of the world and of this being a , 'Marian Age'. But the question at once arises why does heaven send and keep saending Our ALdy to warn us? What is the precise danger. I believe the answer to this cna be found in a speech given by Pope St John Paul to the United States; http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=57376 'In an address given during that 1976 Eucharistic Congress in Philadelphia for the bicentennial celebration of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Cardinal Karol Wojtyla spoke some words which I believe were prophetic. - We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has ever experienced. I do not think that the wide circle of the American Society, or the whole wide circle of the Christian Community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-church, between the gospel and the anti-gospel, between Christ and the Antichrist. The confrontation lies within the plans of Divine Providence. It is, therefore, in God's Plan, and it must be a trial which the Church must take up, and face courageously.'
I ahve come at last to understand that the main danger in the first instance is of course the Church herself. That is what the devil is attakcing and with very great sucess at the moment. the End Game? The End Game is the abolition of the mass. The ending of the Eucahrist. That is Satan's Final goal. He now has his people in lace to accomplish this end. More and more of them will be moving into senior positions in the Church with every passing day. However the Marian messages indicate that at the very point when Satan thinks he was won, Our Lady will snatch victory from the very jaws of defeat. The Warnings of Fatima are coming to pass,even as we watch.
We are all called to have a Prophetic Role in the Church. The first thing a Prophet does is point his finger at evil and evil folks. That's why they always ended up dead. They did not stay silent. Why then should we? Where on Earth is it written that a Catholic has the moral responsibility of staying silent in the face of very great evil? Show me.
There's a history of folks calling individuals evil, and of folks taking offense at it. I think some individuals are so committed to doing evil that they become evil. Who in this argument below was proven correct lately? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...h-Benedict-XVI-over-the-Prophet-Mohammed.html Pope Francis' run-in with Benedict XVI over the Prophet Mohammed - Telegraph In 2005, then Pope Benedict quoted from an obscure medieval text which declared that the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Islamic faith, was "evil and inhuman", enraging the Muslim population and causing attacks on churches throughout the world before an apology was issued. Reacting within days to the statements, speaking through a spokesman to Newsweek Argentina, then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio declared his "unhappiness" with the statements, made at the University of Regensburg in Germany, and encouraged many of his subordinates with the Church to do the same. "Pope Benedict's statement don't reflect my own opinions", the then Archbishop of Buenos Aires declared. "These statements will serve to destroy in 20 seconds the careful construction of a relationship with Islam that Pope John Paul II built over the last twenty years". The Vatican reacted quickly, removing one subordinate, Joaquín Piña the Archbishop of Puerto Iguazú from his post within four days of his making similar statements to the Argentine national media, sending a clear statement to Cardinal Bergoglio that he would be next should he choose to persist. Reacting to the threats from Rome, Cardinal Bergoglio cancelled his plans to fly to Rome, choosing to boycott the second synod that Pope Benedict had called during his tenure as pontiff. "The only thing that didn't happen to Bergoglio was being removed from his post", wrote investigative journalist Horacio Verbitsky in his column in left-wing daily newspaper Página/24. "The Vatican was very quick to react." Cristina Kirchner, the Argentina president, stated at the time that such diatribes were "dangerous for everyone".
I used ot think, Many years ago that silence is the best and only road , marked out by the saints and Jesus Himslef, who was after all the Lamb of God and remianed silent before His accusers. But it depends on the circumstances. In some times and places and circumstances we are called by the Holy Spirit indeed to remain quiet. In others we are called to speak out. In others again we are called to screma out at the very top of our lungs , just as loud and long as our lungs will hold out to do so. If I could do so I would have my dogs howlng alongside me on the forum to make more of a sound. But I sometimes suspect they are not very good Catholics. A good example of a saint who cried to heaven was St Catherine of Siena, who was as you know a Docotr of the CHurch .We ahve evidence of this in some of her letters. http://blog.adw.org/2015/02/time-fo...-st-catherine-of-siena-is-still-needed-today/ 'Of special significance for our time is her exchange of letters with Pope Gregory XI. Though he himself led an exemplary life in many respects, he was a weak, shy, even cowardly man. He was deeply compromised by his temporal ties to power, wealth, and protection, without which he feared he and the papacy could not survive. Nepotism was also a terrible problem, as his own family members kept him wound around their fingers. Most of the early popes died as martyrs. But by the time of the Avignon Papacy, the popes had become very tied to the world and had “too much to lose.” Instead of facing their opponents boldly, preaching the gospel, and refusing to be afraid, they had fled to Avignon and had been in residence there for decades, living behind fortified walls, protected by armies, and compromised by alliances with secular rulers. It had to stop. Gregory XI was the last of the Avignon popes, but he only returned to Rome at the prodding of a young woman, not yet thirty, who told him, in effect, to “man up.” Perhaps most disconcerting to him was the fact that she seemed to know of a secret vow he had made to God that if he were to be elected Pope he would bring the papacy back to Rome. How could she know? But she did. Yet after all, was that not why he sought her advice? She knew God, and fearful though her words were, they were compelling, for he knew that God was speaking to him through her. In 1377, after much delay and fretting, he left for Rome. I want to produce here some excerpts from a letter she wrote to Gregory XI just prior to 1377. I think her words speak to the clergy of today. The specific issues that beset clergy today are somewhat different, but not that different. The Church no longer commands extensive temporal power or rule. But too many (though not all) clergy still exhibit a need to “man up” when it comes to teaching with clarity and authority. And too many clergy, pastors in parishes, and bishops in dioceses, are unwilling to maintain holy discipline or enforce canonical penalties, ever. St. Catherine confronts this tendency in her letter and does not, to put it mildly, regard this favorably. She sees it as mired in self-love and in the refusal to suffer with the Lord, who died for us at our hands rather than lie to us. She uses the image of a wound that needs to be cauterized with hot irons rather than soothed with oil. But the weak clergy who do not want to hear the cries of protest use only oil to soothe, even though this does not heal and in fact only leads the wound to get worse and in the end cause death. Such malpractice is rooted in self-love, not true zeal to heal and prevent spiritual death.' n the Name of Jesus Christ crucified and of sweet Mary: To you, most reverend and beloved father in Christ Jesus, your unworthy, poor, miserable daughter Catherine, servant and slave of the servants of Jesus Christ, writes in His precious Blood … the soul is constrained to love what God loves and to hate what He hates. Oh, sweet and true knowledge, which dost carry with thee the knife of hate, and dost stretch out the hand of holy desire … [But if a prelate] sees his subjects commit faults and sins, and pretends not to see them and fails to correct them; or if he does correct them, he does it with such coldness and lukewarmness that he does not accomplish anything, but plasters vice over; and he is always afraid of giving displeasure or of getting into a quarrel. All this is because he loves himself. Sometimes men like this want to get along with purely peaceful means. I say that this is the very worst cruelty which can be shown. If a wound when necessary is not cauterized or cut out with steel, but simply covered with ointment, not only does it fail to heal, but it infects everything, and many a time death follows from it. Oh me, oh me, sweetest “Babbo” [a term of affection in her native Tuscan which translates roughly as “Papa”] mine! This is the reason that all the subjects are corrupted by impurity and iniquity. Oh me, weeping I say it! How dangerous is that worm [of self-love] we spoke of! For not only does it give death to the shepherd, but all the rest fall into sickness and death through it. Why does that shepherd go on using so much ointment? Because he does not suffer in consequence! For no displeasure visits one and no ill will, from spreading ointment over the sick; since one does nothing contrary to their will; they wanted ointment, and so ointment is given them. Oh, human wretchedness! Blind is the sick man who does not know his own need, and blind the shepherd-physician, who has regard to nothing but pleasing, and his own advantage—since, not to forfeit it, he refrains from using the knife of justice or the fire of ardent charity! But such men do as Christ says: for if one blind man guide the other, both fall into the ditch. Sick man and physician fall into hell. Such a man is a hireling shepherd, for, far from dragging his sheep from the hands of the wolf, he devours them himself. The cause of all this is, that he loves himself apart from God: so he does not follow sweet Jesus, the true Shepherd, who has given His life for His sheep. Truly, then, this perverse love is perilous for one’s self and for others, and truly to be shunned, since it works too much harm to every generation of people. I hope by the goodness of God, venerable father mine, that you will quench this in yourself, and will not love yourself for yourself, nor your neighbor for yourself, nor God; but will love Him because He is highest and eternal Goodness, and worthy of being loved … O “Babbo” mine, sweet Christ on earth, follow that sweet Gregory (the Great)! For all will be possible to you as to him; for he was not of other flesh than you; and that God is now who was then: we lack nothing save virtue, and hunger for the salvation of souls. … Let no more note be given to friends or parents or one’s temporal needs, but only to virtue and the exaltation of things spiritual … have that glorious hunger which these holy and true shepherds of the past … hungered and famished for the savor of souls. … Following Christ, whose vicar you are, like a strong man … Fear not; for divine aid is near. Have a care for spiritual things alone, for good shepherds, good rulers, in your cities—since on account of bad shepherds and rulers you have encountered rebellion. Give us, then, a remedy … Press on, and fulfill with true zeal and holy what you have begun with a holy resolve, concerning your return, and the holy and sweet crusade. And delay no longer, for many difficulties have occurred through delay, and the devil has risen up to prevent these things being done, because he perceives his own loss. Up, then, father, and no more negligence! Raise the gonfalon of the most holy Cross, for with the fragrance of the Cross you shall win peace. We await you with eager and loving desire. Pardon me, father, that I have said so many words to you. You know that through the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh … I beg you to do what you have to do manfully and in the fear of God … Remain in the sweet and holy grace of God. I ask you humbly for your blessing. Pardon my presumption, that I presume to write to you. Sweet Jesus, Jesus Love [Letter to Gregory XI, quoted in Letters of Catherine Benincasa pp. 49-51]. Pope Gregory xi
Padraig, I don't think people have a problem with speaking out. However, don't you think it is prudent that before you speak out and post something on a public forum, you speak to a spiritual director or a holy priest you may know? Especially when you are calling bishops evil and the pope a heretic? With the heretic being something you received in prayer?
