Peter, I have not studied the messages from Lipa, however could you tell us if there is anything in these messages that is not already revealed in the other prophetic messages of consensus?
Yeah, and this is the idiot we should listen to? If Medjugorje only has this man as main cheerleader, it's orthodoxy is in question: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...-bishop-who-discouraged-votes-for-pro-abortio
+ Whether or not Lipa was treated justly should not take up much of our time. The height of injustice is what we as Catholics consider as essential to all of humanities salvation (the Paschal Mystery). What should concern us is how our Lady would like us to proceed with regards to this apparition of Hers. Brothers and Sisters, we do not have to wonder about this because the answer is right before us, just ask Her. As members of a Baptismal Priesthood and Her children, do you think She will refuse. Most certainly not. This does not call for endless rumination but instead quiet contemplation. I don't have to tell anyone here how to prepare for a sincere prayer to our Mother from the heart. When you have made these preparations, ask Her directly what She wants you to do with regards to Cardinal Mullers ruling. She will answer as She always does. Simple. Peace, Ed +
From Mark Mallett's latest: "What are people going to do if an angel appears to them in the middle of the night saying, “It’s time to take your family to a refuge.” Will they reply, “That’s very nice. But until my bishop approves this message, I’ll stay here, thank you.” My Lord, if St. Joseph had waited for his dream to be approved by religious authorities, he might still be in Egypt! We have every tool we need to discern prophecy—the Bible and the Catechism for starters, and hopefully, the willing discernment of the bishop. But we are also naive if we think that prophecy is going to be received everywhere in the Church with flowers and applause. No, they stoned the prophets then, and we stone them now. How many of God’s prophets were “unapproved” over the centuries? In our times, Sts. Pio and Faustina come to mind. We have become so tepid, fearful and even cynical regarding anything mystical that the new atheists don’t need to silence our pulpits. We are doing it ourselves!"
Not an idiot, Brian, but a very shrewd operator who knows how to play the long game which is evident from the infamous footnote. If he is supporting this Lippa apparition, it will be pushed behind the scenes just like Communion for people in adulterous or homosexual unions. Whether Heaven is pushing it is another matter.
Very good advice Ed. The ruling came from the CDF and, as Prefect, Cardinal Muller communicated it. I think it important to make that distinction.
I think it's worth copying a longer section of Mark's latest posting: But what is not too late is to listen to Jesus who continues to guide His Church through this dark period in the voice of prophecy. Yet sadly, many have lost their capacity to hear the prophetic voice of Christ precisely because they no longer have childlike hearts. In the early Church, St. Paul invited prophecy to be spoken “in the assembly.” Today, prophecy is outright scorned if not banned in some dioceses. What has happened to us? What spirit has possessed the Church that we no longer welcome the voice of the Good Shepherd, who said we would know it? My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (John 10:27) Yes, many say they won’t listen to prophecy unless it is “approved.” But this is tantamount to quenching the Spirit! How can the Church discern prophecy if we won’t even listen to it? Many of my children do not see and do not hear because they do not want to. They do not accept my words and my works, yet through me, my Son calls everyone. —Our Lady of Medjugorje (allegedly) to Mirjana, June 2, 2016 What are people going to do if an angel appears to them in the middle of the night saying, “It’s time to take your family to a refuge.”Will they reply, “That’s very nice. But until my bishop approves this message, I’ll stay here, thank you.” My Lord, if St. Joseph had waited for his dream to be approved by religious authorities, he might still be in Egypt! We have every tool we need to discern prophecy—the Bible and the Catechism for starters, and hopefully, the willing discernment of the bishop. But we are also naive if we think that prophecy is going to be received everywhere in the Church with flowers and applause. No, they stoned the prophets then, and we stone them now. How many of God’s prophets were “unapproved” over the centuries? In our times, Sts. Pio and Faustina come to mind. We have become so tepid, fearful and even cynical regarding anything mystical that the new atheists don’t need to silence our pulpits. We are doing it ourselves! There are those who go so far as to say “That’s private revelation, therefore I don’t have to believe in it.” If a bishop declares this or that apparition or prophecy to be authentic, meaning that God is speaking to us through this vessel, what are we saying when we tell Heaven, “I don’t have to listen to it”! Can anything God says be unimportant? Have we forgotten that the bulk of St. Paul’s teachings in the New Testament came by way of “private revelations” to him personally? I sense Jesus moaning once again: For this people’s heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them. (Matt 13:15) http://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-last-trumpet/#more-24226
Im no fan of Marks. He has clearly decided Medjugorje is authentic. Along with Vassula, Luisa P , Millenialism [just not called millenialism], Charlie J, John Martinez, Wanna add any other dubious beliefs? This whole article lacks any balance. We know through authentic guidance that we will see a sweeping Diabolical Disorientation [more clearly] from 1960 forwards. Until the Triumph. If Mark has any real insight , how about Mark point out a few current messages/messengers on this site that are false? Or are they all real?
The same goes for Charlie J. How about instead of telling Catholics what you think is real, how about giving actual Warnings on all the false prophets out there? We can take care of ourselves when it comes to MDM or LTTW. As you might of noticed. Where are the hard calls?
Mark! If you are out there, can you just clarify your very confusing post please. When you say about the nearness of the coming of the Lord presumably you are talking about the second coming at the end of the world-as that is what 99% of catholics visiting your blog for the first time would think you mean. Or are you promoting a false understanding of the phrase? I am thinking of what is clearly taught in the Catechism, and the compedium of the Catechism. Are you sure the Lord's voice really "shook" you in the way you think, or perhaps it was a jolt to actually promotoe what the Church actually teaches?
Of course the "shaking" could have been the result of a cold. I would invest in a good thick blanket.
It's amazing the people who make disparaging comments about Medjugorje have never actually been there yet they can continue to ridicule it and quite often make slanderous and untrue accusations about the visionaries etc. Just an observation. If or when the apparition is proven to be correct they will have a lot of explaining to do.
No Mac, but I can testify that I had the Catholic faith fully instilled in me the first time I visited there and have been going to mass, praying the rosary and living the Catholic faith since. I honestly wouldn't have found or understood Catholicism were it not for going there the first time 5 years ago. I also have a tremendous respect and admiration for priests, nuns and religious that came from my first visit that is still with me today. Medjugorje gave me a complete conversion to the faith. I just believe people shouldn't be so critical of it that's all.
God can draw good from evil. People have been converted to the true faith from false apparitions before. What will you believe if the church gives a negative ruling? Will you apologise to those Bishops and priests who have fought against it? http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html
This is what worries me most about places like Medjugorje. All that damage that will need to be undone if (I believe when) it turns out to have been a scam. Our parish, for instance, will have to find a way to explain why there is a monthly "Medjugorje Mass" in our Church. Will the promoters devote as much time to undoing the damage they have caused by their rush to promote something that doesn't have official approval and has so many warning flags that are being brushed aside? And how, exactly, will they go about repairing the damage? Some will probably go on believing and promoting it no matter what as is the case with MDM. Did people here actually believe the MDM stuff?
Sanctus, they do this with most everything mystical in the faith that they cannot understand. There are allot of 'Thomas' out there that refuse to believe (even among priests and bishops). It is easier for them to only take what higher authority can authenticate for them, as they have little faith in their own reasoning as they are apparently not tuned into the Holy Spirit. Not everyone has the gift of discernment and it is best left for someone else to tell them what is of God and what is not.
Mac, it is my understanding that there are 1000s of supposed visionaries out there right now. Just look in the New Age arena and you'll find all kinds of people hearing locutions, channeling voices of all kinds including "Mother Mary" (the New Age virgin mary), seeing angels, the deceased, etc. Last year while in Lourdes, I was flipping through books in the Catholic bookstore and I'm pretty sure that it was in a book by Father Laurentin (who started out researching Lourdes and wrote several excellent books about it), and he said that after the apparitions at Lourdes, the number of reports of apparitions just exploded and the church received 1000s of them. So if you consider that there are 1000s out there, then the messengers that come up on this forum are really a very small subset of those that are reported. Of course, there are many who have seen Christ or Our Lady and who keep it to themselves, which to me sounds like a blessing given the attacks that invariably come with going public. I like to think of the ones we hear about on this forum as the cream that rises to the top of the heap but we're free to each have our own analogies on this of course.
So those who believed in false apparations for years were "tuned into the Holy Spirit"? Your argument for discernment is along the lines of the lunatics running the asylum. Attitudes like this are why so many catholics are turned away from private revelations. Can I suggest you look into why the Church has a heirarchic structure. It could be easily claimed that certain people have such an attachment to all sorts of revelations that what is revealed in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium is not enough-always looking for more "juicy bits". If we are "tuned" into this kind of attitude then discerning revelations is easy because its got to be all true(unless some very clear teaching is against the faith), and lets face it, if you were claiming revelations, the last thing you would do is contradict something like the holy Eucharist-better to muddy the waters a little and cause confusion-like the millennium.
