FoundSoul, we need not fear the Warning. God has given us ample time to prepare for it, especially with The Year Of Faith, where one only needs to visit the Church of your baptism and spend time in prayer there, go to Mass and Confession and you will receive a Plenary Indulgence (complete remission of guilt and punishment due to sin). We also have many other occasions for Plenary indulgence...especially on Divine Mercy Sunday. We can also do a General Confession (going over our whole life of sin) in the confessional to free our soul. We need not dread the Warning if we are doing now what Our Lord has given us.
FoundSoul, May I suggest that each of us who feel this weight of past sins, should do the following. Find a holy confessor and ask permission to take the time to make a general confession. This would be a calling to mind of all of our past sins and confessing them. I am not saying that such sins were not previously forgiven, but rather, a look at our whole lives will convince us of the boundless depth of the Lord's mercy. St. Ignatius of Loyola made use of this in his Spiritual Exercises. I see this as a great means of preparation. It does take about 30 minutes or more. Once you've made a first general confession, a second one would only cover the time period since the previous one. Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
Alright. With so many people speaking about 5 years, 10 years, 20-30 years, and even what was just said here (5 years for part of the end times, then apparently 20-30 as well....e.g. being an old man, then long since dead, etc.), I have to lay it down clearly to try to identify the holes in the timeline in hopes of filling them by our collective understanding. Maybe I am the only one who sees gaps that don't make sense. I agree with Padraig about Garabandal providing the best, most immediate clues, with Conchita and Joey and their respective prophecies. Therefore, the Warning is very close, and thus the Miracle is only one year or less after that. For example, Warning could be less than one year away, therefore the Miracle less than 2 (April 2015 is one possibility). I think everyone would also agree with what Padraig said about these events as acts of Mercy, and as the beginning of the parting of the sheep and goats. However, when you absorb the understanding that the Garabandal messages are directly linked to Fatima, and according to Malachi Martin, represent a condensed version of the Third Secret of Fatima (including a series of chastisements, etc.), then you have to immediatley determine where the consecration of Russia fits in, the Triumph of the Immaculate heart, and the Era of Peace. Warning (Garabandal, but also alluded to in Fr. Martin's 3rd secret of Fatima summary) Miracle (Garabandal) Consecration of Russia (Fatima) Great Chastisement(s) (Garabandal-"fire all around us", Fatima, Akita-"fire from the sky") Triumph of Immaculate Heart (Fatima) <- Potentially 2017 per Pope Benedict XVI Era of Peace (Fatima) -Aside from the release of Satan after the Era of Peace, where could another extended period of evil enter in following these events that leads to another greater chastisement (e.g. more fire from the sky, three days of darkness, etc.)? -Do not these fire and 3 days ideas fit right into the Chastisement slot in the Fatima/Garabandal prophecies? -Does not the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart that follows these Chastisements equate to the vanquishing of evil and the transition to the Era of Peace? -I see no room for the 25 year La Salette style "peace" in the context of the Fatima and Garabandal messages, therefore I see one crescendo of chastiement, not two, and with the promise of the Triumph and the Era of Peace, doesn't all chastisement have to precede those two promised events (except that which occurs after the Era with the final release of Satan)? Maybe Padraig, you will be martyred in the Chastisements... I wouldn't consider you an old man, but maybe in 3 or 4 years you will feel like an old man (and maybe I will too).... ;-) I am just itching to get these things on the table, but every time I attempt it, somehow nothing gets reconciled in discussion. Everyone can sense the urgency in the pending fulfillment of the Garabandal prophecies (even the letter posted today by Glenn on the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel speaks of this urgency). The papal actions and words relating to the fulfillment of the Fatima propecies are also beginning to have the same urgency (2017 remarks, consecration of Francis Papacy, etc.). Great acts of Divine Mercy are around the corner. Then great acts of Divine Justice are around the next corner. Then the 7th day of salvation history that the church fathers and Revelation 20 speak about, along with Mark Mallett, and many others... ...It seems to me the only questions are "How long between the Mercy and Justice interventions...?", and "Is the Triumph the definitive fulfillment of the protoevangelium...?" ......
Maybe Padraig, you will be martyred in the Chastisements... I wouldn't consider you and old man, but maybe in 3 or 4 years you will feel like an old man (and maybe I will too).... ;-) And me too! Great insight Jon. Thanks for your timeline.
I am not too sure if we will ever get everything nailed down hard and fast. Maybe that would be too much to expect. But maybe what we should hope for is that in any timeline we do foresee their should be no contradictions from (at least) Church Approved Marian sites. I think good insight into things is that the events portrayed here prefigure those at the End of Time, the time of the anti-Christ. So the End Times will be a rerun of what we are currently experiencing. I think this is how things often get mixed up. Our Protestant sisters and brothers for instance often think we are getting set for the immediate return of Christ. In a sense they are right and recent Popes have spoken of this. But only in a sense.
Until the warning happens, nothing is certain. I have felt its imminence on at least two prior occasions, and it didn't come. So now I am taking the advice not to change too much of my regular activities in relation to this anticipation, except in the area of my conversion and deepening my faith, of course. God has made it very clear that we will not know the exact date and time of the warning, so in my opinion, whenever someone tries to do this and many people agree that they have "got" the date, well then it is most assured that it will NOT be the date! Never again will I wake up to a set time given by someone who thinks they have figured it out. However I love to work on this myself. My human curiosity won't let it alone. And we know there are those who DO know the date of the Miracle, so that one is open game. Which is why I am intrigued by the dates given here and want to know which Eucharistic saint seems the most likely to be the one Conchita has spoken about. It's the best hint we have, I think, along with this bit about April. If only God or Mary would give permission for her to reveal this date to us, wouldn't that be wonderful? But that is not going to happen, I'm afraid. I am still unclear as to when the consecration of Russia must happen according to Garabandal now that we blew it so long ago. Before the warning, before the Miracle, or after them? Or has it happened already? Do we really know for sure that God has not accepted one of the previous attempts at it? Is it in the past for Him and we have moved forward from there? We made our decision as a Church...and will now suffer the consequences, with no take-backs...maybe? Also, the Pope must go to Moscow, right? Before the Warning or before the Miracle? And - what if a pope has already or will deliberately NOT go when he is supposed to go, in order NOT to fulfill the prophecy? What then? Will God postpone things at the will of a man? I would think not, so this kind of thing always makes me think. What if, for instance, Pope Benedict was supposed to go, but refused because he didn't want to be the one to bring on the Warning? Would that actually postpone things? Just thinking out loud here. Padraig said he was in his 80's when he dies in France (it was France, right?). He may very well be martyred. I think this sounds completely feasible. I don't believe any of us will be alive for the time of peace or the final judgment that follows it. I believe we have a long time to wait for that to happen. I hope I am wrong and we get to see it, but I am afraid not because God never seems to work on our time schedules, does He? It may be even hundreds of years from now. “MAY THE SEVEN YEARS WHICH SEPARATE US FROM THE CENTENARY OF THE APPARITIONS HASTEN THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHECY OF THE TRIUMPH OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.” So this would be 2017, but 2017 was ruled out above for the miracle. So what happens then? Not sure. When I read this prayer of the Pope, I do not see where it says that the Triumph of Mary will occur in seven years, he prays that whatever occurs within these seven years will hasten the coming of the triumph...so he is praying that people convert and do the right things, so that the triumph comes sooner than later. That is my interpretation of this prayer of Pope Benedict. The warning and Miracle happening during these 7 years would certainly help the cause if people responded rightly to them. Perhaps that is what he is hinting at. Or not. He's not telling us either. I think that he knows something, I have always thought that. I think that is why he stepped down. I think God has revealed things to him, as He did to Pope JP II. But this prayer doesn't really say anything except that he prays that they will be years of conversion. This may be actually saying that they will be years of dissent and conflict and he prays that we carry on through them. Maybe the Warning will be in 2017 near the 100th anniversary of Fatima ...so we have 7 more years to try to prepare the Church. Maybe that is what he is saying. Then the Miracle will occur in April of 2018. Then away we go....
Thank you for this Mario. I will do that - it is one question I have always wondered about - the foregiveness of sins. I have had an awful lot forgiven. Somewhere in the Bible Gods says I will not remember your sins, which is such a wonderful promise. But then I keep remembering them - and if they come back again in the warning it will be truly awful...I keep Praying to God to make sure I survive that. Very selfish.
I absolutely agree that emeritus Pope Benedict knows something because he was in charge of the CDF for so long and had access to all the testimonies and documents of past and current mystics in the church (Vatican knows date of Garabandal miracle per Glenn post #2128 Garabandal News thread page 107). He proclaimed the year of the priest in 2009-2010, and this year of faith knowing something had to be done and something worldwide to stop the hemorrhaging of disbelief. He tried to reconcile the tradtionalists with mainstream. At every turn, it seems as if he was stymied, so the enemy was intent on not letting his message get out through the media...only sex abuse. My thoughts are that there will be a warning in a year or so, announcement of the fifth marian dogma, a permanent miracle in some sites of Marian apparitions resulting in a huge conversion of Jews, Muslims, protestants, Buddhists, Hindi, etc... to Catholicism and that will be the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Although we aren't being starved and tortured at this time for the faith, it is so weak among 'Catholics' that the future is only bleak without these divine interventions that have been promised. I feel like the current days while we await the triumph are tribulation while we watch relationships being tested and usually broken, our faith being constantly tested in the face of so much filth and adversity. The conversion of the Jews is necessary for the second coming of Christ as the Catechism points out.
The Pope mentioned 2017 for a reason, but it would probably have been irresponsible of him to say definitively in the open that 2017 will bring the very specific fulfillment of Fatima's promise of the Triumph of the Immaculate heart, because that implies a public revelation of all the preceding prophecied events (including Garabandal events). There are enemies of the Church, abd maybe even in the Church, that want to know these dates and plan for the confusion or counterfeiting of the events, so mentioning the date in the context that he did may be very significant, but as much as he could reveal publically. Also remember October 13, 1884 (Pope Leo XIII vision of 100 years granted to Stan). Add exactly 33 years to the day and you are at October 13, 1917 (Miracle of the sun at Fatima). Add exactly 100 years to the day and you are at October 13, 2017 (centenary of the Miracle of the sun, and in the year alluded to by the Pope as the time we need to pray for and about). I thought I saw reference from Conchita that the Miracle at Garabandal is to be instrumental in the conversion of Russia, so I am guessing that the consecration of Russia comes either between the Warning and Miracle, or soon after the Miracle. Any other thoughts out there on this? And here we go again with the gap that doesn't equate for me. I have no interest in trying to determine the date of the Warning (it flies in the face of what the Warning is, as an act of Mercy for all of us if we try to circumvent it and attempt to rationalize and "time" our fervent conversion just to make it under the "Warning wire", even subconsciously.....). However, for sake of argument, lets say either May 13 or October 13, 2017 did bring the fulfillment of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. My contention (or my question) is, again: -Is the Triumph the definitive fulfillment of the protoevangelium...? ...And if so, then ALL chastisements prophecied for our times must precede this , and afterward we are then entering Revelation 20 time, and our existence is likely to be different, the earth will be different, evil will be largely vanquished for an extended time, and the church will begin to be fully prepared as the spotless bride of Christ. There is no room to live to 80 years old before the Triumph, if you are not already in your 70's now in this scenario... Please post thoughts on this idea specifically if anyone has them. I am not the only one who sees the problematic chronology as we all earnestly try to pay attention when the Blessed Mother, Saint Michael and Our Lord reveal these things with urgency to our generation and the ones just prior to ours. Remember, didn't Jesus also tell Saint Faustina to write her dairy and make known His Mercy to the world to prepare for something imminent and definitive? You will prepare the world for My final coming. (Diary 429) Speak to the world about My mercy ... It is a sign for the end times. After it will come the Day of Justice. While there is still time, let them have recourse to the fountain of My mercy. (Diary 848) Tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near. (Diary 965). Before the Day of Justice, I am sending the Day of Mercy. (Diary 1588) And our Blessed Mother: You have to speak to the world about His great mercy and prepare the world for the Second Coming of Him who will come, not as a merciful Savior, but as a just Judge. Oh how terrible is that day! Determined is the day of justice, the day of divine wrath. The angels tremble before it. Speak to souls about this great mercy while it is still the time for granting mercy. (Diary 635). Warning and Miracle = components of the Divine Mercy, and are part of the completion of the Day of Mercy, at the end of the time(s) of Mercy (Mercy = Time at this point in salvation history). Great Chastisement = component of Divine Justice/day of My Justice. In my theoretical scenario in which 2017 is, for sake of argument, marking the fulfillment of the Triumph, then the Great Chastisement comes before the Triumph, does it not? If it is not fulfilled in 2017, for sake of argument, then there would have to be an extended period of time from the Miracle to the Great Chastisement that would measure in several, or many years (I'm not sure if Conchita or Mari Loli ever indicated the proximity of the Miracle, and post miracle conversion timing, to the mitigated or non-mitigated Great Chastisement.....) This is the root of my desire to understand the prophecies given to the children in Fatima, the girls in Garabandal, Faustina (and Josefa Menendez), Pope Leo XIII, etc.
there will always be gaps, as I don't think we were meant to know the exact dates. But we may get reasonably close time frames. and Medj is not being considered in the discussion, which could be everyone's curveball if the first secret is announced before the illumination (which is what I think will happen). Granted, there are not a lot of prophetic hints in any of the messages so I understand why some may be ignoring it. But the lack of prophetic clues, in my opinion, lends more credibility to the apparitions, since it is pretty much exclusively about conversion with an added sense of urgency given the 10 secrets. Conversion is what we are all called to do, and spread this peace that conversion brings to non-believers. It is my opinion that the first secret of Medj could be announced any day. It may be some event that will wake the world up to the Medj apparitions and coming events. The second secret may very well be the illumination/warning (the same illumination/warning foretold at Garabandel and by St. Faustina) and then the 3rd secret is known to be the sign left at Medj...which will also be left at Garabandel and other apparition sites all at the same time. The remaining 7 secrets I believe to be chastisements, and they are the same chastisements foretold at Garabandel, Akita, etc. So in a nutshell, I believe all these various apparition messages/warnings/chastisements converge to become one, and they all fulfill Fatima. In God's mercy, Mary has been appearing across the globe and to several generations to prepare us for these events. The valid apparitions are all complimentary to each other and are speaking of the same events.
Since each visionary was given ten secrets and they may not be all the same there may be many,many more than ten secrets.
follow-up question: when St. Louis de Montfort wrote about the apostles of the end times in True Devotion to Mary, do you think he was talking about those faithful to God during the coming chastisement, or events just prior to the second coming of Christ?
yes Padraig...there goes everyone's prediction they all do have different secrets, with only one in common that they know of. that being the 3rd secret, the visible sign on apparition hill. But Mirjana has 10 secrets for the world that will be announced 3 days before they happen...I guess I was referring to those. I actually don't pay any attention to any of the other secrets, since they aren't for the world, and therefore will more than likely not impact my life.
It will be a very surreal experience when we turn on the TV to hear that 3 days notice of a secret has been announced. I will be afraid but prayerful that whatever it is comes from God. Medjugorie is such an amazing story. Ive never been there but all I know who have gone there, had wonderful experiences. Ive got a rosary beads thats was given as a gift to me, from somone who was present at an apparition, and held them up during the apparition. Those beads are very special to me.
Yes, Mirjana has the ten secrets for the world to announce. Some people have surmised that because of some of the signs at Medjugorje, the burning bush{a fire at the top of the hill} that did not consume anything, the many rainbows in clear skies, that Our Lady will appear at Medjugorje for 40 years. Perhaps a cleansing of a generation? Our Lady told Vicka that she will continue to appear to one visionary{she did not say to whom she would appear} during the tribulation. So if 40 years is a correct assumption and Our Lady will still be appearing during the tribulation{perhaps 7 years of tribulation?} perhaps the secrets may be announced soon..
I am so sorry you have never been to Medugorje. It is a bit as though the veil of heaven had been lifted and in a way we enter the new Jerusalem. I often think of that far off village with deep spiritual longing as though it were my home. But hear Our Lady speak in my heart to remind me that we carry Medugorje in our hearts when we do the will of God and that we must begin to build it wherever we are. This is just so true. I heard a drunken woman screaming and shouting right through the night a while ago and a poor man shouting (and others) for her to be quiet that he had children sleeping.This is the opposite of the peace of a Marian Shrine. But on the other hand I had peace in my bedroom , in my home and in my heart...so I suppose in way I was in a Marian Shrine. Beautiful thought. Referring to the sign at Medugorje (and other Marian Shrines) as a burning bush seems so apt. My own sense is that it will be a large cross of light, standing for all time which, when we approach near fades away from our sight. Also that the dancing sun is a sign of the Illumination of Conscience.
Padraig, Thanks for this. It brought back memories of my recent trip to Medugorje. As i waited for confession I saw the miracle of the dancing sun for the first time. It was my 12th visit and I had not seen the sun ever dance as much as I saw it this time. I feel so privileged. Mary
What exactly happens during the miracle of the dancing sun? Does the sun move around the sky? Id love to see it
I am afraid I have never seen the sun dance myself. its interesting Mary that you saw it as a source of joy, I might have found it a little bit frightening?
Some of the clips on the youtube from Timothy Klauk shows very dramatic sun miracles. What I saw was a pulsating sun. Firstly the sun seemed to come down towards us and then there was a constant pulsing center that appeared to be like a silvery disc and the light of the sun was like a halo around it. It didnt move around the sky but it pulsating towards us and going back all the time for about a half an hour. I dont ever expect or look for any signs as I do believe that there is a blessing in not seeing but believing. I was taken unawares by it. Mary
