A New Forum on Pope Francis

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  1. Eamonn

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    ANTONIO SOCCI
    POPE BENEDICT AND POPE FRANCIS WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
    • Antonio Socci
      Journalist
    • Antonio Socci is an Italian media personality, journalist and book writer. He is best known for coverage of Catholic Church topics, including general history and subjects such the Secrets of Fatima and the works of Pope John Paul II. Wikipedia

    THE TWO POPES AND US. What'S REALLY HAPPENING in the CHURCH it was remembered, the last February 11, the anniversary of "surrender" to the papacy of Benedict XVI. The February 28 will be a year since the end of his pontificate. But it is always more mysterious what happened at the Vatican a year ago, in these days. And what is the true nature of the "retreat" of Benedict XVI.

    POPE In previous cases EVER in fact the popes who have resigned have always returned to their status as cardinal or priest: the famous Celestine V, elected in 1294, after five months abdicated and returned to be the hermit Pietro da Morrone.
    And the legitimate Pope Gregory XII to recompose the great Western schism, retired from papal Office the July 4, 1415, he was reinstated in the Sacred College with the title of Cardinal Angelo Correr, going to the papal legate in Marche.
    Given the earlier the same Benedict's spokesman, father Federico Lombardi, during a briefing with reporters, on 20 February last year, the question "what if decided to be named Pope Emeritus?" replied: "I would exclude Him. 'Emeritus is the Bishop who after resigning retains a link ... in the case of the Petrine ministry it is best to keep things separated ".
    Famous last words. Just a week later, on 26 February, the same father Lombardi had to communicate that Benedict XVI would remain just "Pope Emeritus" or "Roman Pontiff" Emeritus, retaining the title of "his Holiness". He would no longer wear the fisherman's ring and the simple white cassock dress.
    These days also Benedict XVI rejected the change of his papal coat of arms, rejecting both the return to a cardinal's Heraldry, the arms of Pope Emeritus. Intend to keep the coat from the Pope with the keys to Peter.
    That means all this? Of course it is excluded any personal vanity for a man who has shown total detachment from the more mundane appointments (Besides this is theological things, certainly not worldly goods).
    Therefore there can be only one reason historic ecclesial weighted, probably related to the reasons for his withdrawal (for which so many have unduly pressed). But what is that reason?

    POPE FOREVER the only official explanation lies in his speech of February 27, 2013, that clarified the limits of his decision: "Here I go again to April 19, 2005. The gravity of the decision was also in the fact that from that moment onwards I was busy always and forever from the Lord ".
    Beware, I emphasize that expression "always and forever", because the Pope then explained: "always – who takes the Petrine ministry no longer has any privacy. Always and totally belongs to everybody, to the whole Church (...) no longer belongs to himself ".
    Then he added: "The ' always ' is also a ' forever '-there is no more a return to the private sector. My decision to abandon the active exercise of the Ministry, did not withdraw this ".
    It is incredible that a similar sentence is passed unnoticed. If words have any meaning, in fact, Benedict XVI affirms that waiver "to the exercise of Ministry", but that the Petrine ministry, for it, is "forever" and cannot be revoked. In the sense that his resignation only applies to "active practice" and not the Petrine ministry.
    What other meaning can have those words? I don't see it. For this you have to ask what kind of "withdrawal" has been that of Benedict XVI.
    In that speech of 27 February seemed to confirm the distinction between "active" and "passive" exercise of the Petrine ministry.
    He said: "do not carry the authority of the Office to the Government of the Church, but in the service of prayer and rest, so to speak, on the floor of St. Peter 's. San Benedetto, whose port name as Pope, I will be a great example of this. He showed us the way to a life that, active or passive, belongs entirely to the work of God ".
    In fact in these words, the terms "forever" and "no Ministry revoked", were added then acts of which we have spoken, which is the permanence of the name Benedict XVI, of the robe, "his Holiness" and the Papal coat of arms.

    TOGETHER with FRANCESCO Furthermore perfectly recognized by Pope Francesco 11 February that spread this tweet: "today I call you to pray for his Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, a man of great courage and humility".
    This is a totally new situation in the history of the Church. In past centuries, in fact, there have been, and again, opposition to Popes and Antipopes, even three at a time.
    There had never been two Popes in communion, they recognized each other. I said "two Popes" whereas one of the two is the previous Pope, became "Pope Emeritus", and that it is a figure of all.
    What is the theological status? And what does the withdrawal from only "active exercise of the Petrine Ministry?
    Benedict XVI, speaking to the Cardinals before the Conclave, he anticipated his reverence and obedience to the successor. This is in fact Benedict's attitude towards Francis. And it is made visible communion between the two when they co-authored the encyclical "Lumen fidei".
    However striking the fact that in the movie of their meeting in Castelgandolfo, in the ceremony held in the Vatican gardens to bless the statue of St. Michael, the two men of God that they embrace as brothers and there is from neither the gesture of kissing the ring of the fisherman. One wonders: who is the Pope?

    A SECRET BETWEEN them is perhaps a secret, among them, that the world ignores? Or are to be treated on an equal footing? We know that this cannot be because by divine Church Constitution can only have a Pope. But so what?
    There are new problems and surprising in the light of which some might even give unexpected meanings to certain gestures to Mohamed, as he presented in the loggia di San Pietro only as "Bishop of Rome", without papal vestments or lack of the Pallium on his papal coat of arms (the Pallium was the symbol of the Papal coronation having replaced the Triple Tiara).
    Certainly those who today tries to use against each other is an arbitrary act. Moreover certain lefebvrists and sedevacantists who question the authority of Francis are also hostile to Benedict.
    The constant prayer of Benedict to Francis and the Church is perhaps the great prophetic sign of this historic moment.
    However one cannot pretend that everything is normal, because the situation is almost apocalyptic. And you can't avoid questions: about reasons for Benedict's resignation, on those who have taken on undue pressures that have caused. And on his current whereabouts.

    A time EVER seen in the days following the announcement of withdrawal, before he clarify his new situation, even "La Civiltà Cattolica", as father Lombardi, had made a gaffe.
    He published an essay of Gianfranco Ghirlanda canonist where it was stated: "it is clear that the Pope who has resigned is not Pope, then no longer has any authority in the Church and cannot intervene in any business of the Government. You may request that Benedict XVI retains title. We think he should be given the title of Bishop of Rome, like any other diocesan bishop that ceases ".
    In any case, "Pope Emeritus". But Benedict has chosen to be "Pope Emeritus". There must be a very serious reason for deciding to "continue". And the consequences are obvious. Its very important signals are sent to those who have seen and to the whole Church.
    Reports that he continues to defend the treasure of the Church, albeit in a new way. And seems to repeat what he said in his inauguration mass: "pray for me, because I did not flee for fear of the wolves".

    Antonio Socci from "free" www.antoniosocci.com February 16, 2014 (Translated by Bing)
     
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  18. Eamonn

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    The Fatima Center
    Perhaps the "Resignation" of Pope Benedict is not
    Canonically Valid

    https://dub122.mail.live.com/defaul...mid=2e133f3d-9aff-11e3-8761-00215ad96bb8&fv=1

    The Fatima Center
    Two Popes and us. What is truly
    Happening in the Church.

    https://dub122.mail.live.com/defaul...mid=c1496461-9b5f-11e3-ba5a-00215ad88c7a&fv=1

    By no means could call Antonio Socci a right wing
    Catholic, but i can see many right wing catholic's applauding
    this conspiracy theory as Gospel Fact. I wonder can i smell
    schism in the air.
     
  19. Torrentum

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    Eamonn I read that a few days ago and wasnt sure what mto make of it. Its the top link on the Fatima.org website.
     
  20. Glenn

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    " View attachment 1734
    " Do not be afraid of Confession! When one is in line to go to Confession, one feels all these things, even shame, but then when one finishes Confession one leaves free, grand, beautiful, forgiven, candid, happy. This is the beauty of Confession!"
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