2nd Papal video.

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  1. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Why doent Pope Francis mention 'sin'

    Since most here expect the 'storm' any day now, Why plant a seed on rocky ground?A seed will take a lifetime to take root.
    If time is so short, why not give the truth and leave that to the Holy Spirit?
    Would the God of Surprises not work with the truth?
     
  2. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Do you see the greenies converting in large numbers?
    You make no sense at all.
     
  3. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    an unbeliever sees this and thinks of God since it is the pope speaking...the Holy Spirit does the rest
     
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  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    That is leaving a lot to the Holy Spirit.
    Have Popes not spoken in the past?
    Did the Holy Spirit fail before?
     
  5. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    It may not take a lifetime to take root during the storm since we will all be burning in the fires of purgatory here on earth. That quickens the conversion process considerably. But the earlier a seed is planted or the door opened a crack the better.
     
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  6. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Planting a seed doesn't mean what you are stating...in my opinion Jesus is actually talking about souls. Some souls grow some wither away and go back to sin. Every soul gets a seed. And those seeds start small and gradually grow in the spirit.

    The Pope has a 1 minute and 30 seconds to start the conversion process. Maybe he should just state everyone is going to HELL Jesus didn't even say that. Jesus tried explaining the kingdom of God and the law with everyday parables. Sorry to say he wasn't very direct. But I guess you and Brian think Our Holy Father should bring down fire and brimstone.

    Jesus didn't teach that way.

    May Gods Will be Done
     
  7. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    So all the other Pope got it wrong?
    They werent' like Jesus?'
     
  8. PotatoSack

    PotatoSack Powers

    all popes are different and they all have different callings from the holy spirit. is it fair to compare popes when they are led by the spirit differently and are leading the flock in different periods of world history?
     
  9. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Mac,

    You don't get it...to the Catholic Faithful Our Holy Father speaks one way...read His Homilies. But to the world at large, Pope Francis needs to shepherd them back into the fold. Those that have no knowledge of God need to be brought in differently. He has a minute and a half to teach the doctrine of sin and hell. Not possible. But he could teach small actions that are compatible with our Catholic faith. Tossing small seeds to souls. And hopefully, it opens them up to the laws of the Catholic faith.

    Brother al
     
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  10. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Seek and you will find...start reading Our Holy Fathers homilies and you will find a Pope who has touched the mystical.

    VATICAN CITY, NOV. 25, 2012 (Zenit.org).- Here is the translation of Pope Benedict XVI’s homily during the Mass celebrating the Solemnity of Christ the King. Also concelebrating at the Mass were six new cardinals of the Catholic Church who were created in yesterday’s consistory.

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    Your Eminences,

    Dear Brother Bishops and Priests,

    Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    Today’s Solemnity of Christ, King of the Universe, the crowning of the liturgical year, is enriched by our reception into the College of Cardinals of six new members whom, following tradition, I have invited to celebrate the Eucharist with me this morning. I greet each of them most cordially and I thank Cardinal James Michael Harvey for the gracious words which he addressed to me in the name of all. I greet the other Cardinals and Bishops present, as well as the distinguished civil Authorities, Ambassadors, priests, religious and all the faithful, especially those coming from the Dioceses entrusted to the pastoral care of the new Cardinals.

    In this final Sunday of the liturgical year, the Church invites us to celebrate the Lord Jesus as King of the Universe. She calls us to look to the future, or more properly into the depths, to the ultimate goal of history, which will be the definitive and eternal kingdom of Christ. He was with the Father in the beginning, when the world was created, and he will fully manifest his lordship at the end of time, when he will judge all mankind. Today’s three readings speak to us of this kingdom. In the Gospel passage which we have just heard, drawn from the account of Saint John, Jesus appears in humiliating circumstances – he stands accused – before the might of Rome. He had been arrested, insulted, mocked, and now his enemies hope to obtain his condemnation to death by crucifixion. They had presented him to Pilate as one who sought political power, as the self-proclaimed King of the Jews. The Roman procurator conducts his enquiry and asks Jesus: “Are you the King of the Jews?” (Jn 18:33). In reply to this question, Jesus clarifies the nature of his kingship and his messiahship itself, which is no worldly power but a love which serves. He states that his kingdom is in no way to be confused with a political reign: “My kingship is not of this world … is not from the world” (v. 36).

    Jesus clearly had no political ambitions. After the multiplication of the loaves, the people, enthralled by the miracle, wanted to take him away and make him their king, in order to overthrow the power of Rome and thus establish a new political kingdom which would be considered the long-awaited kingdom of God. But Jesus knows that God’s kingdom is of a completely different kind; it is not built on arms and violence. The multiplication of the loaves itself becomes both the sign that he is the Messiah and a watershed in his activity: henceforth the path to the Cross becomes ever clearer; there, in the supreme act of love, the promised kingdom, the kingdom of God, will shine forth. But the crowd does not understand this; they are disappointed and Jesus retires to the mountain to pray in solitude (cf. Jn 6:1-15). In the Passion narrative we see how even the disciples, though they had shared Jesus’ life and listened to his words, were still thinking of a political kingdom, brought about also by force. In Gethsemane, Peter had unsheathed his sword and began to fight, but Jesus stopped him (cf. Jn 18:10-11). He does not wish to be defended by arms, but to accomplish the Father’s will to the end, and to establish his kingdom not by armed conflict, but by the apparent weakness of life-giving love. The kingdom of God is a kingdom utterly different from earthly kingdoms.

    That is why, faced with a defenseless, weak and humiliated man, as Jesus was, a man of power like Pilate is taken aback; taken aback because he hears of a kingdom and servants. So he asks an apparently odd question: “So you are a king?” What sort of king can such a man as this be? But Jesus answers in the affirmative: “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice” (18:37). Jesus speaks of kings and kingship, yet he is not referring to power but to truth. Pilate fails to understand: can there be a power not obtained by human means? A power which does not respond to the logic of domination and force? Jesus came to reveal and bring a new kingship, that of God; he came to bear witness to the truth of a God who is love (cf. 1 Jn 4:8,16), who wants to establish a kingdom of justice, love and peace (cf. Preface). Whoever is open to love hears this testimony and accepts it with faith, to enter the kingdom of God.

    We find this same perspective in the first reading we heard. The prophet Daniel foretells the power of a mysterious personage set between heaven and earth: “Behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. To him was given dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed” (7:13-14). These words present a king who reigns from sea to sea, to the very ends of the earth, possessed of an absolute power which will never be destroyed. This vision of the prophet, a messianic vision, is made clear and brought to fulfillment in Christ: the power of the true Messiah, the power which will never pass away or be destroyed, is not the power of the kingdoms of the earth which rise and fall, but the power of truth and love. In this way we understand how the kingship proclaimed by Jesus in the parables and openly and explicitly revealed before the Roman procurator, is the kingship of truth, the one which gives all things their light and grandeur.

    In the second reading, the author of the Book of Revelation states that we too share in Christ’s kingship. In the acclamation addressed “to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood”, he declares that Christ “has made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father” (1:5-6). Here too it is clear that we are speaking of a kingdom based on a relationship with God, with truth, and not a political kingdom. By his sacrifice, Jesus has opened for us the path to a profound relationship with God: in him we have become true adopted children and thus sharers in his kingship over the world. To be disciples of Jesus, then, means not letting ourselves be allured by the worldly logic of power, but bringing into the world the light of truth and God’s love. The author of the Book of Revelation broadens his gaze to include Jesus’ second coming to judge mankind and to establish forever his divine kingdom, and he reminds us that conversion, as a response to God’s grace, is the condition for the establishment of this kingdom (cf. 1:7). It is a pressing invitation addressed to each and all: to be converted ever anew to the kingdom of God, to the lordship of God, of Truth, in our lives. We invoke the kingdom daily in the prayer of the “Our Father” with the words “Thy kingdom come”; in effect we say to Jesus: Lord, make us yours, live in us, gather together a scattered and suffering humanity, so that in you all may be subjected to the Father of mercy and love.

    To you, dear and venerable Brother Cardinals – I think in particular of those created yesterday – is is entrusted this demanding responsibility: to bear witness to the kingdom of God, to the truth. This means working to bring out ever more clearly the priority of God and his will over the interests of the world and its powers. Become imitators of Jesus, who, before Pilate, in the humiliating scene described by the Gospel, manifested his glory: that of loving to the utmost, giving his own life for those whom he loves. This is the revelation of the kingdom of Jesus. And for this reason, with one heart and one soul, let us pray:Adveniat regnum tuum – Thy kingdom come. Amen.
     
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  11. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Maybe Our Holy Father should use His homily above... to convert the masses. You really need to be a Catholic to understand His speech. I wonder if he could get that message across to non-believers in a minute and a half.

    :)
     
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  12. Indy

    Indy Praying

    People will watch this then take an interest in what the Pope says then hopefully dig a little deeper and read his homilies which are completely Christ and Our Lady centered. Otherwise how would you suggest he gets these types interested. These people have been conned into disbelief and given a disdain for the cross, the Church, the vestments, Eucharist and term such as sin, unfortunately it takes videos such as these to counter the lies and unwind this disdain. I am sure he accompanies these videos with an enormous amount of prayer and will possibly even mention them to our Lady of Guadeloupe very soon.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers


    1 Corinthians 9:22

    To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.


    The Holy Father is, like St Paul , trying to reach out to everyone , to touch their hearts where their hearts can be touched. In this, like St Paul he is simply trying to engage people , being all things to all men, in other words being a good Evangelist..

    I thought the video was beautiful. This forum itself is Evangelical and innotative. We are stewards of God's Creation, we see this in Genesis, I thought the vieo very srciptural and in line with the Church's Tradition. I loved it.

    It reminded me of Pope St John Paul who became an expert in Marxist philosphy in order to counter it. St John Paul too became, 'All things to all men'.:)

    I admire Pope Francis's idealism in this. I think I am a little too cynical, he helps me to become a little bit younger in this.


    He could have been passe and simply preach to the converted. But like St Paul he went a step futher. I admire this.
     
  14. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Genesis 1:11-31

    Genesis 1

    11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation:seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kindsand trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    14 And God said, “Let there be lightsin the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night,and let them serve as signsto mark sacred times,and days and years,15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.16 God made two great lights—the greater lightto governthe day and the lesser light to governthe night.He also made the stars.17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,18 to govern the day and the night,and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures,and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”21 So God createdthe great creatures of the seaand every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it,according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.And God saw that it was good.22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

    24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creaturesaccording to their kinds:the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.25 God made the wild animalsaccording to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds.And God saw that it was good.

    26 Then God said, “Let usmake mankindin our image,in our likeness,so that they may ruleover the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

    27 So God createdmankindin his own image,in the image of Godhe created them;male and femalehe created them.

    28 God blessed them and said to them,“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earthand subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

    29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

    31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
     
  15. josephite

    josephite Powers

    I agree with you wholeheartedly.
    Thank you.
     
  16. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    And I am too cynical.
    Maybe a quiet and prayerful Lent will cure me.:notworthy:
     
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  17. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    But then who would entertain brother al :)
     
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  18. miker

    miker Powers

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  19. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    good stuff :)
     
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