26 things to get done before the global debt collapse

You have got as closer to bed as I have with my chores Jane! I am off to get some shopping done now, then wash uniforms, so better prepared for Sunday Mass

 

1. Hunting is what God gave Adam to do after the fall. 2. I hate killing people. Yes, it is against the 10 commandments. 3. I will kill them. So you would sit by and let someone rape your 11 yr. old daughter? Like I said before, I share everything. Always have, always will. Protection is self defence and the Catechism says this is something that we have the RIGHT to. What parent would NOT stop that??? You saying , "It sounds premeditated" is silly, I was voicing my opinion. We never know what we will do until we do it. Never say NEVER.

 

No one would sit by and let anyone do harm to your children.
But why say something that will probably never happen?
This is strange to even suggest this will happen to your daughter.

But I can tell you this. I will never own a gun. Yes I will protect my family with all my might.
But if life got that bad, I hope I can put my faith in God and not rely on violence.

Mary fled for Egypt when she heard they wanted to kill Her baby Jesus. Joseph could have prepared and killed the soldiers as they were on there way to Jesus, as he could have got them unprepared. But he didn't. Instead he went into hiding.

When I hear good Christians say 'get your guns ready', I wonder what did you learn from Jesus?

Have we gone back to 'an eye for an eye?'

 

There is a huge difference between the time before Christ and the time after Him. Having said that, you are absolutely right in saying that you are able to defend your family. In fact, it is our duty to protect ourselves and our families. After catechism one night, I had to walk through a dark quiet car park, I had my bible in my bag and some books, a man was walking through, he didn't seem right. I spoke to God and said, if he starts may I bring a whole new meaning to bible bashing as I hit him with my bag? .. I got home and read the catechism and was delighted when I read what it said regarding this..

Now, I have a question. Being that many of the prophets are questionable, what prophecies are we actually talking about regarding the global debt collapse. This is being orchestrated so that we will have a one world government and a one world banking system, yes?

Can we get the prophecies that we are speaking of together, and then speak about what we are doing and why? I am very confused with all the prophecies to be honest. So many different things.

My understanding is this... persecution to an awful degree, then the warning, the conversions, but not all will last, then there will be a great divide between evil and good, evil will seem to be prevailing as Christians will be outnumbered. Then will come the time when we will go into hiding, but will be able to see our guardian angels, some of our houses will actually be hidden from the eyes of the enemy. We will recognize other Catholics (some say by the seal on the top of the forehead which will be visible to believers) Then will come the three days of darkness when evil will claim it's own. We are not to look out onto the streets at this time as God does not want us to see His wrath. Blessed candles will be the only thing that will light up during those days. After this, there will be an era of peace for 1000 (God will get his garden of eden back) there will also be a few unbelievers that will survive these three days (personally, I think that they will be because of the prayers of the faithful praying for their families, God won't let them down) But they will be converted naturally after the 3 days when they realize.

If any of God's little ones die during these 3 days, they will go straight to Heaven. Now, during this period of peace, if parents have trouble with their youngsters again they just have to take them to the apparation sites to let them see the permanent sign, that they can neither feel or touch but can see, this will have an effect on them for the good.

Now this is where there is confusion for me. Somewhere in revelations it mentions this time of peace as reigning for a 1000 years, before the complete and utter final battle, when then we will have judgement day. Others are saying that the era of peace will be lasting eternally... Which is it? And from which prophecies? And has anyone else looked at these prophecies in the light of revelations. Not just someone spouting off a verse, but really read through prophecies..

At some point after the collapse, we will have someone who claims to be the messiah, showing all the miracles he can do, and saying there is no guilt etc, and trying to merge all the religions, of course when Catholics refuse, they will be outlawed, and of course the great persecution will come about.

I have heard some prophets say make provisions and others say, don't worry about a think, God will provide, especially for those who cannot afford to stock up? But, Jesus is crying out for us to trust Him. So wouldn't He more than ever want us to trust Him during these times?

I am not talking about protecting children now, that is a natural every day thing that we have to do regardless of warnings, there are awful people out there.

 

Part of this sounds like MDM. This is spreading like wild fire too.

Who said there will be a permanent sign left at every apparition site? I don't think this is true.
I am under the understanding there will be a permanent sign left at Garabandal ONLY.
But this could be the reason Our Lady said sadly "not many people will be here to witness the miracle."
Is this because there are untruths about it 'meant' to be happening at every apparition site?

One thing is for sure. With all these so called apparitions it is causing so much confusion.

 

Which of the above sounds like MDM. I looked at her site once, came across it by accident, wasn't that impressed to be honest. This is why i think it would be great for maybe us all to pray, read revelations together, and discuss what we read? Some of revelations has in fact already happened. Yes, I heard that there was going to be a physical sign at Medjugorje too. That is why a camera is set up on the mountains so that we will be able to see it over the internet if it is possible.

 

I am wondering if Mother Mary is saying that a lot of people won't be able to see it because it is possible by then that the government won't allow it to be televised, so those who can't afford or are not free to go might have been able to see it through the media.

 

You know all the prophecies, even the true authentic ones won't do us a blind bit of good, if we don't pray and live by prayer.

 

MDM said things in that second paragraph I highlighted. Which means messages are getting crossed.
One of the horrible things about Satan, he tells some truths to get you sucked in. It is the lies we are worried about. He does it so well, because with the truths people can say "see this is right, because this seer said this will happen, and it did."
Isn't he clever?
Then people end up believing everything because of the revelation coming true. Have to look at the whole picture in these times.

Oh. Is it said Medjugorje will have a permanent sign too?
I bet this will be announced after Conchita announces the miracle at Garabandal.
No wonder Aviso see Medjugorje in opposition to Garabandal.
More people will go to Medjugorje than Garabandal. More will go to the place which has more questions on it than any other apparition site.
Medjugorje is definately 'more popular'
People seem to ignore or make excusses for all the things that are questioned on Medjugorje.

Oh dear.
I do hope I'm wrong, it would be better.

 

ahhh, other 'prophets' have said this too. These have been circulating for as long as I can remember. I was thinking about Medjugorje today. Franciscans take a vow of poverty, they live according to the rule of St Francis of Assisi. Let us say for argument's sake that Med was a huge scam, although it would be an unprecedented scam, and my aunt, my mother and I saw the light travel (the light that Our Blessed Mother travels in) I pointed it out to others around, but not everyone saw it. If that was a scam, wouldn't everyone be able to see it? Anyway..

back to the Franciscans, it it was a scam, there would be at least one Franciscan that remained faithful to his vow of poverty and to the rule of St Francis and he or even they would have spoke out against all this by now. Sorry, I know that you don't want to keep on speaking about it, I have just been mulling quite a few things over the past few days.

 

No, there are some things that I am very unsure of about those attached to med. I am unsure of caritas to be honest, I also know that one of the original priests from Med betrayed us all. But the seers themselves, I love Vicka, she just radiates holy joy I think.

 

You know what I love about you?
You are honest.
I feel you are open to think you are wrong too. Just like me. But we sit on opposite sides of the fence.
Isn't this brilliant.
One of us will help the other on this.

I will open it up again on truefalse prophecies. I did get so tired about it though.
I need to get off this computor and spend time with my family now, so give me a couple of days to get back to you on this.

 

I never suggested this would happen to my daughter. I merely said, "IF". Big difference. For you to even question that is weird. WHO SAID 'GET YOUR GUNS READY'?? Seriously, Jane. No one said that. I have always owned guns and always will. Luckily its my right. My husband and son defended the United States and will continue to do so. Josyp Terelya was right , sitting back and 'taking it' and lying down and letting others take what they want, when they want, how they want is a sin. So many writings of John Paul II speak of this tyranny. I will continue to defend my family and my faith. God knows my heart. My rosary is in my hand and the good Lord knows where I am---folding laundry.... Remember ALL sin is because evil wants to destroy the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Like a toad in boiling water. Until someone speaks up and tells others NO--we are not going to take it anymore, it will continue to go on.

 

Thank you Jayne. Yes we do sit on opposite sides of the fence on this thing, not in our faith in general.
I actually really enjoying discussing things with you too. We all need to be able to open up and talk, this is a great place to do it. We all love Our Blessed Mother and all thank God for the faith that He has given us. Nothing will change this. I am careful where I have these discussions though, I am very careful about what I discuss around those who are unsure of their faith, or who are still learning etc. Enjoy your Sunday.

 

Maybe it is because we live in different countries. I don't know.
We can't understand why people have guns. Yet in the US they believe it is their right.
So we will agree to disagree on this one.

God be with you.

 

When you said "ahhh, other prophets have said this too."
What were you talking about?
Other prophets have said what too?

 

Since I was a child, I can remember hearing all sorts of different prophecies, I heard about chastisements (and some actually seemed to be looking forward to this.. very unchristian) Others spoke of the three days of darkness with great relish (very disconcerting). Others spoke of children sleeping during the three days of darkness, some say it will be the prayers of the children that will be the most miraculous (well both these prophecies definitely can't be true) . Others have said to store food, get a great supply of tinned food. Others have said there will be great miracle..

I cannot tell you the source of all these, as for a time it was the fashion to spout them off everywhere. Especially coming up to the year 2000. I knew a lot of people who were questioning their faith at this time, become absolutely petrified and it just convinced them even more that God hated mankind etc. Then of course, when it didn't happen and this New Era still hadn't arrived by the end Of Jan. Some even waited until 2004, in case the early calenders weren't as accurate as we had thought. Anyway, when none of this happened. Those who may have listened before switched off.

The sad thing is, that all prophecies were passed around and everyone just accepted them. This is still true today, You know when I was a young person and I allowed people to pray with me for the healing of memories etc, they actually said that God had willed all the bad stuff to happen to me because i was a pot that needed to be smashed in order to be built up again! How nuts is that?! I was only 17/18/19.. Other crazy stuff was said by people in the 'know'... They said that some of God's children are so insolent from birth that He wills all these awful things to break that person!! What utter nonsense..

Do these people not know that this is a diabolical heresy? God never ever ever wills sin!! Period!!

Yes I know and accept that there are genuine people who are called to be God's messengers, but it would seem that prophecies are getting very confusing. I am aware of Med messages, that is to say ... Prayer, Peace how we should live etc... I don't get caught up with dates, what is going to happen etc to be honest.

Whatever happens today, tomorrow or next year, God will get me through. And I am honestly not scared of death. I am only here to travel towards God, so why fear death? I have become so detached to this world, that I am aware that I am out of step with others in a spiritual sense, but very in tune with God, and my responsibilities and my family. In effect, I serve God and my family. That is my life. The only thing that would concern me about going today would be if it wasn't God's will, and I am happy to be here in His service. And when He calls me to pass through, He will call me..

You see my life is from conception to eternity. Death is simply a passing through, and opps... I have gone off topic...

To me Med, Garabandal, Fatima, Lourdes etc (and in Lourdes Bernadette nearly fell into the clutches of rich women) they all echo the same message. Turn back to God while there is still time, do His will...

But apart from messengers, true prophets for me are those who hear the word of God, and keep it and live it in their every day lives, such as Padre Pio, Mother Therese... Little Therese... Sadly we don't seem to have many true prophets today in that sense, not when we want to chuck the homeless out of churches where they are keeping warm and to say they are not my responsibility, they should go to social services... All this makes me weep...

Not because I am holy, absolutely not. Sometimes I worry that my posts come across as me parading my 'saintliness' this is not my intention. I just pour my heart out here. No, the reason I cry is because I know how hard it was for me to even understand that God is love in the light of all my experiences. I know my faith is a miracle from God, but He needed me to trust him, this is very difficult for a victim of much sin to do. So I weep for those who are outside of God's church and are too scared to believe in His love. And there are no sign posts to help them along the way... no really good holy non judgmental and loving people to be 'stepping stones' for them to help them find the courage to reach out to Christ.

I see so much potential in the Roman Catholic Faith, if we all just got up claimed it, embraced it and REALLY lived it, then our Church would be overflowing and the Roman Catholic Church would indeed be a healing/restoring community as is it's mission.

 

This thread is about the Global Debt Collapse.

 

On Sept. 13, 2012, Bernake said the Federal Reserve will purchase Mortgage backed securities every month. THEY will spend 40 BILLION dollars EVERY SINGLE MONTH FROM NOW ON! They will invest them in the fractional derivatives market at a fraction of the amount and purchase treasury bills to pay down the interest on National Debt. of the United States. NOT invest in the economy. THIS IS WORTHLESS.

LOOK UP QE3

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/13/news/economy/federal-reserve-qe3/index.html

This money is coming out of thin air. THE U.S. does not have that kind of money. Its being printed as I speak. The Federal Reserve will buy all the mortgaged real estate in the U.S. They will use them to invest into this derivatives market and then they will 'hedge' the market. 'Prop themselves up'. The big banks have committed to this takeover because the big banks (Citi, Bank of America, U.S. Bank, CHASE) are now owned by the U.S. Govt. In Iceland, Greece, Spain this has happened and is continuing to happen all over the world. By hedging the market the 40Billion will become 360 Billion and they will make a huge profit. (they do this many times in the Pharmaceutical industry (the CDC re-defined the word plague one month before H1N1 alert, so all the big pharms could make tons of money, and all those who were in on the planned fake plague; which was the plan, besides bankrupting small nation's emergency funds so they would go broke).

They will invest OUR money in T-Bills, which are worthless. It depreciates our dollar. The NWO people are now saying, " we know we can do what we want. The people of the U.S. refused to do anything. No protests, no riots. They are lazy. They will go belly up without a battle." ON THAT Sept. 13th Gas instantly went up 15 cents and Gold instantly went up $35. The currency that purchased that gas went DOWN 15 cents because our dollar DEVALUED instantly.

From now on, groceries will go up 10% every month. This is being engineered by bankers monetizing the debt by our mortgages. Gas and diesel will go up every month as value of currency goes down. Inflation will double and triple as the lower dollar diminishes our purchasing power. It would be WISE right NOW to purchase long term food storage ASAP. Stores will be full, but inflation will skyrocket. The trickle down effect of expensive milk, no money to buy it, means the farmer can't sell it, which means he can't make a living, which means he sells or slaughters his cows etc...

By buying T-bills, now anyone can purchase them. China can own your mortgage… The Govt. will continue welfare checks, Medicare, and Medicaid for right now. They WANT everyone one the programs. They will have conquered the U.S. through MEGA BANKING. They want to postpone the inevitable CRASH, amassing debt everywhere until they have their own money in place to control the people.

Watch: youtube: Retired Gen. Wesly Clark

PROOFS:
Feb. 2012- Largest trade agreement between China and Japan. Said they will NOT use American dollar. First time in History.

April 27, 2012- India and Japan-currency swap. NOT using the dollar. Buying oil from Iran.

Sept 7, 2012-China and Russia agreement to sell between themselves and NOT use American dollar.

China and Brazil- Huge currency swap- NOT using the American dollar

China and Australia- Huge currency swap- NOT using the American dollar

Iran and Russia- NO dollar.

China and Chile- NO dollar.

China and United Arab Emerites- NO dollar.

China and Africa- #1 trade partners now. NO using the American dollar for the sale and trade of products.

Sept. 6, 2012- China announced that anyone who wants to trade crude will use their money—NOT AMERICAN MONEY.

The Dollar is dead. Unused and unwanted. It will be 6-8 mo. for all dollars to come home. Trillions of dollars are floating around. This will make inflation skyrocket.

INFLATION 101---1960’s- 1 silver $ = 1 dollar NOW—40 Silver $ = 1 dollars

THE LAST INDICATOR WILL BE THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE MAKES AN INTEREST HIKE

ITS LIKE A SLOW BOIL…..We MUST protest, we MUST PRAY, and we MUST prepare physically to help our families get through this time. We must remain united and ask our GOOD LORD JESUS to purify us as HE sees fit. Because truly this is a purification of the world, spiritually, physically etc. The natural disasters added to all of this is going to be very, very tough. Stay in a state of peace and see all through the eyes of Mary. The HOLY FATHER is leading us—SO ALL EYES SHOULD BE ON HIM!! LIVE HIS WORDS OF WISDOM.

I give this information because we NEED to be wise and understand the tyranny of what is happening. NOT sit back and say—WHATEVER----and take it. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE INUNDATED WITH PRAYER CONSTANTLY!!! We will hear about conversions like St. Paul when all of this is said and done….

 

This thread is linked to Padraig's icons on USA since economic difficulties lead to political and social chaos as in Greece.

QE3 = Printing money = devaluation of $ = rising prices
A vicious circle. Is America heading for hyperinflation?

http://www.geraldcelente.com/