2016 Presidential Election Thread

I think, unfortunately, this sympathy for the mothers is just another liberal trope, intended to confuse and reduce discouragement of those women contemplating this act, enabling them to shrug their shoulders and relinquish their guilt at the time. Many murders are committed because people are under pressure of some kind or because it is convenient. These mothers are no less guilty than most second degree murderers, in my opinion. Of course, the abortionists themselves are guilty of first degree murder of the absolute first degree. It is worse than Hitler's Holocaust, because at least Hitler's victims got a chance to breathe.

 

My goodness! It's really diabolical.

 

I agree that the mothers are guilty of murder, of the most innocent and totally defenceless babies, and actually deserve the same punishment due to all murderers. But as a mother myself, I get this strong feeling that one day these mothers (if they have not totally given themselves over to the Devil) are going to grieve and feel the real impact of what they have done.

 

Thank you very much Harper for sharing this video with us. I did not know this event would happen after the last debate. I say to Trump: BRAVO dear Mr Trump. You are indeed speaking like a BULLDOZER that God is using for His purpose. I am convinced of that now and, yes, you would do VERY WELL as next President of the U.S.A. ! Oh Heavenly Father, I BEG YOU, that the Truth speaking out of his mouth, may win on November 8th !! All HOLY ANGELS AND SAINTS in Heaven, HELP him and the U.S.A. and the rest of the world and destroy Evil !

 

Trump needs to put together a new commercial and quick. One that shows scenes of the America that was great, flash scene after scene of people from all different groups working together in harmony, pictures of people from different countries coming here and becoming citizens and end with his slogan "Make America Great Again". He could even flash up a picture of the attacks on 9/11 and then put a big red X through them and say, "Aiming to protect us from this", then display the pleasant images of America and say, "I can lead America back to this". In my opinion, he needs to end this campaign on a positive note whether he wins or looses.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=347&v=tHsZxJlxHYw
very moving segment

 

I think he almost read my mind....but he needs a shorter version to run on television at prime times.


Mary Ann, If I hadn't viewed the video you posted I would have never found this, strange how things happen some times. I think Mr. Trump can be very rough around the edges but I think he has the best intentions for our nation and I believe that he wants to be a successful President. I think it would be very sad to not see him have a good, fair shot at this.

 

Beth B, You are absolutely correct the procedure that you posted is disgusting and I can't see how anyone can justify it. Hillary's statement at the last debate about this just doesn't hold up, all one needs to do is a little bit of research to see that she is way off base. A simple internet search will give you the reasons why this has been done in the past and there is nothing in the long list of reasons that makes any sense. Shame on her!

 

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Although infanticide is not yet legal in the USA, you can expect that under a Clinton administration, the anti life forces will gain power and they will appoint a deadly judicial system that will advance their agenda. Mark my words, it's coming.

Although technically it is not now referred to as infanticide, babies born as a result of blotched abortions are already being left to die. Read the article below.

How do you sleep at night Hillary? You have totally lost your immortal soul.


PRO LIFE
362 Infants Born Alive as Result of Botched Abortions Died in Last Decade
By Matthew Clark3 yrs. ago


Recently, Planned Parenthood was caught advocating post birth abortion – infanticide. Their lobbyist testified before a state legislature that if a baby was born alive as the result of a botched abortion, Planned Parenthood believed the decision whether to provide that baby struggling for life on the abortion clinic table lifesaving support, “should be between the patient and the health care provider.” In response to public outrage, Planned Parenthood removed its opposition from a bill that would require abortionists to provide lifesaving care to the newborn baby. Planned Parenthood says that these “extremely unlikely and highly unusual medical circumstances” just don’t happen.

Abortionist Kermit Gosnell stands trial for the gruesome murder of at least four babies born alive as the result of botched abortions. Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry still respond that the situation of a baby born alive as a result of a botched abortion just doesn’t happen.

An undercover sting has exposed several abortionists who openly admit they would let a baby die if a live birth were to occur in spite of the attempted abortion. The abortion industry says that this situation just doesn’t happen.

So that begs the question, how many babies are born alive as a result of botched abortions? How many are left to die or killed?

While much of the devastating truth may never be known, what we are able to know is startling. According to the ACLJ’s research and statistics recorded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 362 babies born alive following a botched abortion have died in the last decade.

While the circumstances surrounding their deaths and whether their lives could have been spared with proper medical attention are mostly unknown, what is known is that an attempted abortion is the only cause of death listed for these newborns and that they were born alive before dying.

Buried among the myriad of data points recorded by the CDC in its collection of mortality statistics is the cause of death recorded under ICD-10 code P96.4. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) 10th revision produced by the World Heath Organization lists ICD-10 code P96.4 as “Termination of pregnancy, affecting fetus and newborn” and specifically excludes that which affects the mother.

In the U.S., the CDC records this data in their WONDER database. This official recordation only includes mortality data for live births as reported to the CDC. A query in the CDC WONDER database for mortality statistics under ICD-10 code P96.4 (which is labeled “Termination of pregnancy, newborn” in the CDC database), reveals that 362 infant deaths (i.e. first born alive) as a result of an attempted abortion have been reported in the most recently available 10-year period, 2001-2010.



The query criteria is below (no direct link to the query is available, but it may be accessed by re-entering the criteria here):



In other words, deaths assigned this code, as recorded by the CDC, are for a “termination of pregnancy,” i.e. abortion, that leads to the death of a “newborn,” i.e. a baby who had been born alive. Since the intention of an abortion procedure (regardless of the reason why the procedure was initiated) is to terminate the life of a baby in utero, then these live-birth statistics refer to abortions that were, by definition, botched.

We directly contacted the CDC and received the following email response from CDC Statistician Kenneth Kochanek confirming our understanding of this data:

ICD-10 code P96.4 Termination of pregnancy, newborn

This code implies a medical termination of the pregnancy. When “termination of pregnancy” or “abortion” is the only reported cause of an infant death, the death is coded to P96.4.

Thus, according to data reported to the CDC, 362 infant deaths resulted from attempted (and subsequently botched) abortions, where the baby was first born alive and then died.

Our analysis is further supported by data from Canada that shows in the last reported ten years, “491 babies were left to die after they were born alive during abortions.” A look at how these statistics are recorded by Canada’s official recording agency (also using ICD-10 code P96.4), explained here and here, further confirms the data recorded by the CDC. In Britain it is reported that 50 babies are born alive as the result of botched abortions each year. Additionally, an “estimated 44,000 abortion survivors” are living in the United States today.

These eye-opening statistics shed new light on an industry’s claim that this situation just doesn’t happen.

Moreover, these 362 reported deaths likely do not include even a fraction of the population of newborn infants who die at the hands of abortionists after getting their first breath of air. Abortionists like Gosnell and those exposed in the recent undercover videos certainly aren’t reporting those deaths as such to the CDC.

The fact is babies do survive abortion; but the cruel reality is how long they survive is left in the hands of the abortionists who sought to end their lives in the first place, and often with little to no oversight.

These newborn infants, born alive, struggling for life on the abortion clinic table, deserve the same legal protections as you and I. So, too, do the hundreds of thousands of unborn babies who literally never see the light of day.

Thus, according to data reported to the CDC, 362 infant deaths resulted from attempted (and subsequently botched) abortions, where the baby

http://aclj.org/planned-parenthood/362-infants-born-alive-result-botched-abortions-died-decade

 

Yes Carol, Hillary's claim that partial birth abortions are done to protect the life of the mother is a ruse! With today's medical technology, there is almost never a case where it is necessary to kill a baby late term to save a mothers life. It's a lie. Not that anyone who promotes abortion on demand would have any morals about lying! If you could support killing babies, lying about it is easy.

 

This idea that it is performed to save a mother's life is exactly why I researched it, it didn't make any sense to me and sure enough I could not find any data to support it. I hope that more people wise up.

 

DeGaulle,
I would agree that the majority of these women who have abortions are as guilty as sin...they have repeated abortions and use abortion like birth control . My remarks about the other group of women refer to the young, desperate girls who have been duped into believing that the baby is only a blob of tissue and it is not a life. Many of these girls have been pressured by parents or boyfriends....sometimes violently, to abort. When they reach maturity and fully comprehend their decision, they have enormous regret and suffer depression and are sometimes subicidel. Some are left unable to get pregnant again. Mostly, these are the very young who have been indoctrinated by the godless, liberal culture. This is why we need to educate them....the only way they may ever know what a deadly decision they are making is if we tell them. Few priest, churches, catholic schools or other christian outlets rarely do their job for fear of offending someone ...it's not politically correct!

This is what angers me so much about Cardinal Dolan and that pathetic al smith dinner last night. They sit there with this power of evil and toast the evening with champagne! All in the name of raising money for "poor children"! What hypocrisy! Dolan needs to quit hanging out with the liberal social elites and get back into the business of doing his God given job......saving souls! Maybe he should begin with his own!

 

Also St Edmund Campion.

http://www.spiritdaily.net/illumination.htm

 

We're both of a like mind. Nevertheless, once a person is of the age of reason they cannot deny at least some responsibility. Otherwise, they would have no need for guilt or depression. Depression is very rarely an unfortunate accident of biology. I suspect there is an unprecedented incidence of depression currently because an unprecedented number of people deserve to be depressed as a consequence of their sins, which they mostly deny. Of course, they have mostly been deceived by the lying psychiatrists and psychologists who, without the slightest degree of empirical evidence, have created the great myth of 'mental illness'. I wonder, given the amount of intractible deception in so many fields that has blinded so many ignorant people, how much full knowledge actually exists among many sinners. Such ambiguity will not apply to cynical politicians and those who enjoy a luxury lifestyle, even including Lamborghinis, on the back of murdering the most helpless and most innocent.

 

We have to keep in mind that these things aren't punitive, they're consequential. Otherwise we're pharisees.

 

Yes, absolutely. Love and compassion should lead the way. I don't think that many people are choosing this so they can purchase a nice car, I think there are those who have had a difficult path all of their lives and I am not throwing stones. It should be our goal to better educate people, women & men, so they can make better choices and politicians should not pretend that they are saving lives when they are not.

Ok, on to something else...
I found this on the web and wanted everyone's opinion. There have been other similar posts on this thread about this and I just want to see what you think. So we know that Donald Trump is not perfect (but who is?), some people believe that God has chosen him in any case. So this link brings you to an article which discusses other times God has chosen people who had flaws. So read it over and let me know your opinion or just simply state other times when God has done this in the past. This is mainly to help me and others make the best decision on November 8th. Thank you, I really do appreciate it.

http://www.keepbelieving.com/sermon/why-god-chooses-splendid-sinners-and-lovable-losers/
"Consider the roll call of God’s imperfect heroes:

The talent pool has always been pretty thin when it comes to moral perfection.
Noah who got drunk.
Abraham who lied about his wife.
Jacob who was a deceiver.
Moses who murdered an Egyptian.
Rahab who was a harlot.
Samson who had serious problems with lust and anger.
David who was an adulterer.
Paul who persecuted the church.
Peter who denied Christ.

If God chose only well-rounded people with no character flaws, some of the credit would inevitably go to the people and not to the Lord. By choosing flawed people with a bad past, a shaky present, and an uncertain future, God alone gets the glory when they accomplish amazing things by his power."

 

Wonderful and true words ! Thanks a lot for the video !
Could I make a suggestion to all of us even if I know that many of you are already doing this ?
Let's form together a strong chain of daily rosary until the 8th of November (or until right after the election day)
for only one single intention: Trump to become President.
If you participate, then click "like" to this post. Then we will know how many will pray. But be aware that when you click, you are obliged to pray ! No way back !

 

I think intent matters a lot here, David may have slept with a lot of women, but while doing so I'm sure he was overcome with their beauty and in wanting to treat them well. This is categorically different than someone who would brag about being able to grab women by their genitals due to how much 'power' they think they have.

Trump would still get my vote for being prolife, and for showing that the political system is a farce, but he's not the heaven sent deliverance we're waiting for.

 

You seem to be asserting that words speak louder than actions. This is not necessarily true. Usually the opposite is the case. The reductio ad absurdum would be that adolescent young men would sin more by speaking and joking about their fantasies than by actually putting them into practice. It would be so much better if Clinton only fantasised or speculated about embryotomising babies without analgesia but she means it in cold hard practice.

When Our Lord condemned adultery in the heart as a grave sin, did this necessarily mean he considered it as identically grave as actual adultery?

 

I don't think you talk about women like that unless you're actually doing things like that, were a teenager to speak so it would be repeating something they'd heard (well, normally, maybe not now), but a man who's almost seventy should know better. I admit that he could just be talking but a man who's admitted to losing his virginity at 14 and sleeping with lots of women who simultaneously says that he's never had to beg forgiveness has probably had his ability to respect women severely damaged. But yes, he's not advocating turning the female body into a temple for a satanic sacrament, so there's that.