2016 Presidential Election Thread

Bush Republicanism Is Dead and Gone:

By Patrick J. Buchanan

“The two living Republican past presidents, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, have no plans to endorse Trump, according to their spokesmen.” So said the lead story in The Washington Post.

Graceless, yes, but not unexpected. The Bushes have many fine qualities. Losing well, however, is not one of them.

And they have to know, whether they concede it or not, that Trump’s triumph is a sweeping repudiation of Bush Republicanism by the same party that nominated them four times for the presidency.

Not only was son and brother, Jeb, humiliated and chased out of the race early, but Trump won his nomination by denouncing as rotten to the core the primary fruits of signature Bush policies.

Twelve million aliens are here illegally, said Trump, because the Bushes failed to secure America’s borders.

America has run up $12 trillion in trade deficits and been displaced as the world’s first manufacturing power by China, said Trump, because of the lousy trade deals backed by Bush Republicans.

The greatest strategic blunder in U.S. history, said Trump, was the Bush II decision to invade Iraq to disarm it of nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

The war Bush began, says Trump, produced 5,000 American dead, scores of thousands wounded, trillions of dollars wasted, and a Middle East sunk in civil-sectarian war, chaos and fanaticism.

That is a savage indictment of the Bush legacy. And a Republican electorate, in the largest turnout in primary history, nodded, “Amen to that, brother!”

No matter who wins in November, there is no going back for the GOP.

Can anyone think the Republican Party can return to open borders or new free-trade agreements like NAFTA?

Can anyone believe another U.S. Army, like the ones Bush I and Bush II sent into Afghanistan and Iraq, will be mounted up and march to remake another Middle East country in America’s image?

Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom are history.

What the Trump campaign revealed, as Republicans and even Democrats moved toward him on trade, immigration and foreign policy, is that Bush Republicanism and neoconservatism not only suffered a decisive defeat, they had a sword run right through them.

They are as dead as emperor-worship in Japan.

Trump won the nomination, he won the argument, and he won the debate. The party is now with Trump — on the issues. For GOP elites, there can be no going back to what the grass roots rejected.

What does this suggest for Trump himself?

While he ought to keep an open door to those he defeated, the greatest mistake he could make would be to seek the support of the establishment he crushed by compromising on the issues that brought out his crowds and brought him his victories and nomination.

Given Trump’s negatives, the Beltway punditocracy is writing him off, warning that Trump either comes to terms with the establishment on the issues, or he is gone for good.

History teaches otherwise.

Hubert Humphrey closed a 15-point gap in the Gallup poll on Oct. 1 to reach a 43-43 photo finish with Richard Nixon in 1968.

President Gerald Ford was down 33 points to Jimmy Carter in mid-July 1976, but lost by only 2 points on Election Day.

In February 1980, Ronald Reagan was 29 points behind Jimmy Carter, whom he would crush 51-41 in a 44-state landslide.

Gov. Michael Dukakis left his Atlanta convention 17 points ahead of Vice President George H. W. Bush in 1988. Five weeks later, Labor Day, Bush had an eight-point lead he never lost, and swept 40 states.

What this suggests is extraordinary volatility of the electorate in the modern age. As this year has shown, that has not changed.

How then should Trump proceed?

Unify the party, to the degree he can, by keeping an open door to the defeated and offering a hand in friendship to all who wish to join his ranks, while refusing to compromise the issues that got him where he is. If the Bushes and neocons wish to depart, let them go.

Lest we forget, Congressman John Anderson, who lost to Reagan in the primaries, bolted the party and won 7 percent of the national vote.

Ted Cruz, who won more states and votes than all other Trump rivals put together, should be offered a prime-time speaking slot at Cleveland — in return for endorsing the Trump ticket.

As the vice presidential nominee remains the only drama left, Trump should hold off announcing his choice until closer to Cleveland.

For while that decision will leave one person elated, it will leave scores despondent.

And the longer Trump delays his announcement, the more that those who see themselves as a future vice president will be praising him, or at least holding off from attacking him.

Ultimately, the Great Unifier upon whom the Republican Party may reliably depend is the nominee of the Democratic Party — Director James Comey and his FBI consenting — Hillary Rodham Clinton. http://buchanan.org/blog/bush-republicanism-dead-gone-125196

 

It looks like we have trans party ism to go with all the other isms out there. I heard somewhere the Conservative party in UK is a clone of the old 'New Labour.' It must be happening in USA too. Labour is dead in UK.

So all we have in the UK now is a trans con party and a non elected witch in Scotland casting her spell on the rest of her fellow Scottish people, until the UK is dragged into Europe which is falling apart.

Pity they don't know yet which side their bread is buttered on north of the border.

 

Dolours,

That is the big picture...dawn is just pushing a Hilary Presidency. The Democrats are evil and have no place for God. What Trump and Sanders is really doing is breaking down the system. The Clintons and the Bush's are angry right now. They feel they are entitled to the Presidency. And Romney is dumb enough to sacrifice the election to the democrats for his own ego. I think we really only have one direction we can go. And it's not Hillary.

 

I would have posted why I still feel that trump supporters have been conned, but I'll let Trump demonstrate that for himself:

Trump just being Trump....or as Donald would say," I'm just Flexiable!" Yeah.....you sure are.

4 Signs From The Last 24 Hours That Trump Suckered Conservatives
AP Photo/Michael Conroy
BY:
BEN SHAPIRO
MAY 5, 2016

So, you’re suckers.

Yes, you conservatives who keep waiting for Donald Trump to turn into Ronald Reagan, who hope to unify behind him thinking that he’ll surround himself with good people and that they will guide him to all the best decisions. Yes, you conservatives who bought into the Trumpian nonsense that he would blow up the system and change things in politics. In the last 24 hours Trump has indeed pivoted – directly against all of his supposedly conservative positions. Here are four examples:

Trump Embraces A Higher Minimum Wage.

Remember when Trump said early in the campaign that Americans were being paid too much, and that their wages were uncompetitive? Back in November, he said, “Our taxes are too high, our wages are too high, everything is too high. What’s going to happen is now people are going to start firing people.” Now he’s telling the media that he would consider a higher minimum wage. “I’m looking at that,”he told CNN, “I’m very different from most Republicans. You have to have something you can live on. But what I’m really looking to do is get people great jobs so they make much more money than that, much more money than the $15.”

Trump Won’t Be Self-Funding

.Remember that time Trump said he’d self-fund, unlike his rivals? Even as donors signal that they won’t be opening their pocketbooks for Trump, Trumpannouncedthat he won’t self-fund his campaign. “I’ll be putting up money,” he said, “but won’t be completely self-funding.” Instead, Trump said he would build a “world-class finance organization.” So all that talk about how people who take donations are being bribed to shill for donors – yeah, all that was patented Trump garbage.

Trump Hires A Former Goldman Sachs Fundraiser Who Managed Money For George Soros.

Remember that time Donald Trump suggested that Ted Cruz was in the pocket of Goldman Sachs (“I know the guys at Goldman Sachs, they have total, total control over him”)? Remember Snaggletooth The Trumper™ who told Ted Cruz that Cruz should be wearing his “Goldman jacket”? Now Trump has hired Steve Mnuchin, chairman and CEO of Dune Capital Management LP and former Goldman Sachs partner, to head up his fundraising team. Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management LLC. Yes, that Soros.George Soros. Mnuchin also donated thousands of dollars to Hillary Clinton, among other Democrats; since 1998, he’sdonated twice as much moneyto Democrats as Republicans.

Trump Bashes His Own Tax Plan.

Remember that tax plan Trump touted as supremely conservative? Yeah, that’sout the window now. Today, asked on CNBC how he could propose tax breaks for high earners, Trump simply dumped his plan. “I am not necessarily a huge fan of that,” said Trump. “I am so much more into the middle class who have just been absolutely forgotten in our country.” Instead, said Trump, his tax plan was merely a starting point for negotiations – just like his position on amnesty. “You know, when you put out a tax plan,” said Trump, “you are going to start negotiating. You don’t say, ‘OK, this is our tax plan, lots of luck, folks.’ There will be negotiation back and forth. And I can see that going up, to be honest with you.”
So this is the new general election Trump.

He looks just as dishonest and scheming as the old Trump, just with a fresh leftist taste sure to please the most ardent Bernie Sanders supporters. Conservative Trump voters – this is your Great Hope.

 

and then there is this...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-rhetoric-taxes-should-not-be-taken-face-value

I know it's from MSNBC, who conveniently gave him all kinds of air time and positive press in order to boost a candidate who would easily lose to Hillary, and, predictably, now they are slamming him, but still, this interview is quoted at length.

Anyone who thinks Donald Trump could beat Hillary is the delusional one. In order to do so he will have to completely change his platform, and who would believe him? Already all his primary wins came from very blue states. he can't win those in a general election.

The only option is a conservative third party candidacy. Trump is so far off the charts as far as trustworthiness, so willing to go whichever way the wind blows, so unstable, anyone who can't see that needs to do some self-reflection if that person is also identifying as "Catholic".

As far as "these times are so bad, we are about to go under anyway", that sentiment is nothing new. We have to do right as right is presented us, or we are the ones responsible for the predicted "collapse", not some other group you have labeled as the problem, you. Here's Blaise Pascal in the 1600s. He could be talking about Trump supporters today:

“Truth is so obscured in these days and falsehood so entrenched that unless one loves the truth one cannot recognize it.” —Blaise Pascal

Haggerty, Donald (2016-01-27). The Contemplative Hunger (Kindle Locations 273-274). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

 

Nope, clearly that is what Trump supporters are doing, just as planned by the liberals, which Trump is now and always has been. You've been fooled. Fallen Saint, I tried to respond to your points but you say I did not actually do so. Please let me know which those points are so we can engage in a discussion. Thanks! Dawn

 

I like Mr. Buchanan a lot. But he is almost always wrong in his political analysis. If he were not, he would have been working for any one of the conservative campaigns. But he is absolutely right nothing can stop Trump from losing to Hillary, that has been the case since day 1. Trump can't ever win in the general the states he won in the primaries, no matter who the Democrat is, period.

 

No one here is pushing Hillary! And you all know that. Looking for a third party candidate is NOT supporting either trump or Clinton...it's the only alternative for committed conservatives.

 

This is better than any SNL skit they could dream up on him. Except that it is real. Donald Trump is best for the economy? Does he even know how it works? Does he even care? Seems not:

Trump: U.S. will never default 'because you print the money'

By David Wright, CNN

Updated 12:43 PM ET, Mon May 9, 2016
READ: Donald Trump: 'I am the king of debt'
"I said if we can buy back government debt at a discount, in other words, if interest rates go up and we can buy bonds back at a discount -- if we are liquid enough as a country, we should do that," Trump said. "In other words, we can buy back debt at a discount."
He also repeated his claim that he is "the king of debt."
"I understand debt better than probably anybody. I know how to deal with debt very well. I love debt -- but you know, debt is tricky and it's dangerous, and you have to be careful and you have to know what you're doing," Trump said.

As Trump's high-profile back-and-forth with House Speaker Paul Ryan last week highlighted, a wide ideological gap exists between Trump and "establishment" Republican types over debt and entitlement reform.
Ryan won his post as House speaker in part by outlining an orthodox conservative policy agenda centered on these issues. And in an interview with CNBC in March -- long before Trump became the GOP's presumptive nominee -- Ryan defended his support for entitlement reform.

"I believe that if we do not prevent Medicare from going bankrupt, it will go bankrupt," he said. "And that will be bad for everybody. We have to tackle our debt crisis. We have to tackle the drivers of our debt. And I think, I hope, that whoever our standard bearer's going to be will acknowledge that."
Trump, for his part, vowed during a Republican presidential debate on CBS in February that he would "not touch" entitlements, saying, "I will do everything within my power not to touch Social Security, to leave it the way it is."
Grover Norquist, a Republican who leads the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform, defended Trump's debt-reduction comments on CNN on Monday, though he warned conservatives must preserve their traditional commitment to spending cuts and reform.
Asked specifically about Trump's remark that the U.S. will never default on its debt because it can always print more money, Norquist said: "Well, that's just stating a fact. It's what the United States government has been doing for quite a number of years is printing more money."
"Is it a good thing to do? No. Is it where you want to be? No. Is it what governments do over time? He's quite correct, that's what they tend to do," he said. "(But) when somebody says this is the way governments have behaved, that's not necessarily an argument that that's what they ought to do -- what we should do is reduce spending as well as create growth."
'Make a deal'
Trump had kicked up a firestorm in economic and political circles when, in an interview last Friday on CNBC, the presumptive Republican nominee seemed to suggest that rather than pay its outstanding national debt in full, the country could renegotiate.
Asked if the U.S. needs to pay its debt in full or if it could negotiate a partial repayment, Trump said: "I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal."







Fox anchor challenges Trump on deficit plans 01:37
READ: Fault lines: GOP civil war deepens
Such a renegotiation risks creating financial turmoil because U.S. Treasuries are considered the safest assets on the planet and a major benchmark for valuing other securities. Risking their safety through a renegotiation like the kind Trump seemed to propose could cause borrowing rates everywhere to skyrocket and create chaos in global markets.
During his CNBC interview, Trump had also said that interest rates should be kept low -- contradicting his remarks on CNN Monday -- because a rate jump could trigger a catastrophic increase the cost of borrowing.
"We're paying a very low interest rate," he said. "What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? We don't have a country."
And Trump signaled that he would be inclined to replace current Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen, who has defended the Fed's low rate policy, saying that while "people I know have a high regard for her," "she's not a Republican."

 

Looks like the Trump supporters are the Hillary supporters. I'm sure she'll thank you for it.

 

I'm sorry...but this guy is getting scarier by the minute! Is trump this clueless or is he deliberately going to destroy this country. Oh my gosh....

 

Thank you Ben for another great analysis!



5 Arguments For Voting Trump And Why They Fail
AP Photo/Paul Sancya
BY:
BEN SHAPIRO
MAY 4, 2016
The battle over whether conservatives should vote for Donald Trump to stop Hillary Clinton from attaining the White House will undoubtedly continue all the way up until Election Day. Trump himself makes no bones about his distaste for conservatives who oppose him – he said today that he doesn’t need them. “I am confident that I can unite much of it,” Trump said of the Republican Party, “some of it, I don’t want. There were statements made about me that those people can go away and maybe come back in eight years…But honestly, there are some people I really don’t want. I don’t think it’s necessary.”

Perhaps he’s right. If so, his followers certainly don’t get to complain about the conservatives to whom Trump refuses to reach out refusing to vote for him.


Nonetheless, whether or not to vote for Trump over Hillary is a serious question because Hillary is such an awful, corrupt, screeching leftist pterodactyl. The prospect of a Hillary presidency throws conservatives into justified spasms of terror and rage. By the same token, Trump is the man who just successfully ripped the heart out of the conservative movement and replaced it with a nationalist populist godking worship movement.Here, then, are five arguments for voting for Trump – and why, ultimately, they fall short:
1. But Hillary’s Worse! This is the most common argument from the conservative Trump supporters – no matter how bad Trump is, Hillary is worse. There are two problems with this argument. First, it may not be true. Yes, really. Hillary is corrupt and her ideology is evil; Trump is similarly corrupt, and he has no ideology other than personal aggrandizement and ad hoc authoritarianism. Conservative Trump supporters liken supporting Trump over Hillary to allying with Stalin to stop Hitler. But here’s the truth: this election is more like trying to choose whether to ally with Stalin or Hitler in 1936, not 1941. We don’t know what Trump will become. He shifts his policies every five minutes – except for his policy of personal power maximization.

We do know that he’s not a conservative. He opposes entitlement reform; he backs trade barriers; he wants to raise taxes on the wealthy; he’s an isolationist; he praises Planned Parenthood and supports the falsehood of “gender constructs”; he campaigns based on racial handouts; he has never mentioned Constitutional limits on power. In a few areas, Hillary is actually more conservative than Trump. Hillary isn’t an anti-free trade extremist; Trump is. Hillary hasn’t threatened to pull our troops from South Korea and cut off funding to our allies based on personal pique; Trump has. Hillary may present a vulnerable server to Vladimir Putin; Trump apparently talks to Putin behind closed doors. Hillary wants Citizens United overturned to stop corporations from talking about her; Trump says that his opponents shouldn’t be allowed to say mean things about him, and wants the First Amendment changed to allow him to sue his political critics. Hillary is a calculated political manipulator, a criminal in plan and action; Trump is an unstable con man.

Second, because Trump isn’t a conservative, turning over the keys to the Republican car to Trump is surrendering our movement. Hillary is the random trespasser defacing your gate. Trump is the brother-in-law you can’t stand throwing you out of your house altogether. You’d better be damn sure your brother-in-law is going to do a good job redecorating before you go along with his action plan.

2. But Trump Will Change! This is perhaps the most laughable defense of voting Trump. Conservatives keep trying, like Charlie Brown with the football, to convince themselves that this time, Trump/Lucy won’t deceive them. So far, it’s not happening. Literally the day after winning the nomination, Trump doubled down on his attacks on Ted Cruz’s father by talking up the National Enquirer, and announced that he would consider raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. Conservatives who keep waiting for Trump to magically emerge from his hotel suite mirroring Ronald Reagan will be waiting for quite awhile.

3. But Trump Will Work With Republicans! The likely outcome of a Trump presidency would be a Democratic Senate with whom he’d deal, not a Republican one. And Trump would revel in cutting deals with Democrats – he has bragged about such deals his entire career. It’s his only plausible excuse for funding far-leftists from Harry Reid to Nancy Pelosi.

But let’s assume, for just a moment, that Trump miraculously ends up with a Republican House and Senate. Does anyone think he’d push entitlement reform? That he’d work to restore military might? That he’d sign onto decent trade deals? That he’d allow for restrictions on the executive branch? Trump isn’t implacably leftist like President Obama, but he’s implacably Trumpian. That’s bad enough. Trump might work with Republicans better than Hillary would, but it’s simply foolish to suggest that Trump would set a common agenda with Republicans. He'd govern significantly worse than Bush, and Bush brought us a Democratic House and then Barack Obama.

4. But The Supreme Court! Trump, the logic goes, will select a more conservative Supreme Court Justice than Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence to support this contention. Again, Republicans are highly likely to lose the Senate to Democrats. Does anyone truly think Trump has the stomach to fight for a constitutional conservative on the Court when he thinks that Supreme Court justices prosecute crimes and sign bills? Ronald Reagan missed two out of three Supreme Court picks. George H.W. Bush went one for two. George W. went one for two. Ford went zero for one, and Nixon went one for four. Does anyone think that Donald Trump will do better than any of these people? Trump has never backed a constitutional balance of powers; he doesn’t know what that phrase means. If you’re hanging your hopes for a conservative Court on Donald Trump, you’re being conned.

Beyond that, the Supreme Court is not the best hope for the Constitution. That hope lies at the state level, and in resistance to unconstitutional legislation and decisions.

5. But Sitting Out Is Moral Cowardice! A vote is two things: an instrument of policy, and a moral imprimatur.

As an instrument of policy, we’ve been told we have to choose between the lesser of two evils. But what if there is no lesser of two evils – or, just as possible, that we don’t know which of the evils is the lesser? What if Trump is elected president and proceeds to government from the left and gut the conservative movement in the process? What if Hillary is elected and proceeds to be Obama’s third term, up to and including a mass amnesty? Nobody has a crystal ball.

Which brings to the moral certainty: placing the imprimatur of legitimacy on a bad human being like Donald Trump is sure to stain you. Your vote doesn’t just say something about the future of the country. It says something about you. Republicans just broke their party by stamping Trump with credibility. It’s up to individuals whether they want to do the same to their own sense of decency and purpose for the future.


Note: not voting for either trump or Clinton does not mean staying home! Vote for the candidates on the bottom of the ballot! Vote for conservatives

 

It is not leftist to support the middle classes (from whom, along with those of the working class actually interested in working, he draws much of his support), but this is the great lie peddled by Republicans since 1988, that not to transfer resources from the people to the oligarchs is to be a commie, culminating ironically in the socialist bank welfare heist of 2008-2009.

 

The lie is that Trump actually cares about the working class...he doesn't! He is selling them a dream...that he doesn't believe himself. He stepped on the middle class while building his empire. What did he care about the middle class as he hired illegals to build his empire? How did he help the middle class as he tried to steal their property through eminent domain? How many middle class workers got stiffed when he filed bankruptcy time after time....hurting creditors and displacing the working class who lost their jobs? How did he help the working class when he lied and sold bogus classes at Trump University to the working class trying to get an education?

Guess you can't see that suffering from the penthouse of the Trump Towers. His rhetoric might sell to those he refers to as "those uneducated that he loves so much", but in reality, trump is the ultimate cronie capitolist that has been putting the screws to the "working class" his whole career to amass his fortune. He bragged how he used the system to get rich...stiffing the middle class tax payers with bankruptcy debt While he flies around on his Trump jets, eating his trump steaks, drinking his trump wines....etc....financed by who? Yes, you the middle class that he now pretends to want to protect from the evil system that he got rich on. Believe this? Then I have a bridge in Brooklyn ( or does trump own that too?).

 

I'm only looking on from a distance here in Ireland, but it seems to me a lot of working class and middle class people have rejected the usual suspects in order to back him. Their choice deserves respect.

 

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/05/09/...o-life-voters-should-support-trump-heres-why/

 

Everyone's choices deserve respect...I agree.
The choice to reject either of these two deserves respect too...but some Clinton and trump supporters do not share that view.
To desire a third party option for conservative Chritians is derided by trump supporters. It cuts both ways.

As far as caring for the middle class, and not supporting trump...I can speake to that personally. I have lived in the lower to middle class my whole life. While living in the lower end of the financial class as a young girl I sat and listened to one middle class union guy after another waltz through our humble steel workers kitchen . My dad was highly respected by all of the mill men and knew that on his word, he could sway many votes in any election. One guy after another labored trying to sell my good father on supporting the guy who was promising to put more bread and butter on the big Catholics family dinner table. I listened for hours as each of them tried to pitch that "middle class" candidate to my dad. When they all had their say, my dad sat back and asked just one question. He asked, " is he ProLife?" ....No Lew....but he cares about us....he cares about how we are going to feed our families....isn't that ProLife? My dad sat quiet for just one moment, considering everything they said. Then he looked at them and finally asked them one last question. He asked, so what you are saying is, if I vote for this guy, I'll have more stuff...for my family...right? So, if I'm willing to let babies die, then I'll get more stuff...right? He continued.."No....guys, I have Six kids....we do without stuff all of the time. I'm not selling out babies for the "extra stuff". I can live without the stuff...but I couldn't live knowing that some baby had to die to get it. "
That's where he drew the line...

its not about selling out the middle class...it about the price payed . I don't believe that trump cares one bit about the middle class.

 

Mary Ann,

I am aware that these groups have had to make a choice to select what they believe is the lesser of the two evils...I don't fault them. They have no choice. They have had to make a very difficult executive decision. I, however, do not need to do that.

I'm sure they are doing it with a heavy heart. The decision is one they felt they were forced to make...but I don't doubt that they loath the choice.

 

Beth, I stopped reading the second I saw Ben Shapiro was the author of the article you cited. Shapiro is just one of many RINO, Neocon weasels who have vowed to never vote for Trump. Shapiro is also on the record stating that he would rather have the pro-death, pro-sodomite marriage, anti-American traitor Hillary Clinton as President over Trump:

On Friday, Breitbart News editor-at-large and DailyWire.com editor-in-chief announced that he would never vote for Donald Trump.
While co-hosting his KRLA 870 AM and KTIE 590 AM radio shows in Southern California, Shapiro said:

As you know, I’ve been agonizing on air over whether I would ever vote for Donald Trump. And I’m starting to come down firmly in the #NeverTrump camp. I will never vote for this man. I will not pull the lever for this man. I will not pull the lever for him in a general election or in a primary. It’s not going to happen. And the reason is that if conservatives never say “no” at some point, then they’re never going to have the opportunity to say “yes.” Because the logic of the Republican Party is, “the conservatives are going to be forced to vote for whomever we choose, that whomever we put out there, John McCain or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump, we’re going to put that person out there and we’re just going to make you vote for that person because they’re better than Hillary Clinton, or better than Barack Obama.” If you don’t say no at some point, gang, you’re never going to get a nominee to whom you can actually proudly stand up and say yes. You’re always going to be the sucker, because they can just take your vote for granted.

Asked later in the show about the possibility of Hillary being elected if conservatives failed to show up for Trump, Shapiro stated:

Am I willing to risk a Hillary presidency not to vote for Trump? The answer is yes. The reason the answer is yes is because....." http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...apiro-explains-why-hell-never-vote-for-trump/
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Excuse me? RINO? How is Trump not a RINO? There is no logic whatsoever to the Trump supporters positions.