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Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/n...n-buries-his-“orthodox-vatican”-project-62366

    Vladimir Putin Buries His “Orthodox Vatican” Project


    The project to relocate the administrative offices of the Moscow Patriarchate to Sergiev Posad, located 70 km from the capital, had been under debate since 2019. This city of 100,000 inhabitants is already home to the famous Lavra of the Holy Trinity of St. Sergius in Sergiev Posad, a vast ensemble of nearly 23 hectares, containing 11 churches, and classified as a UNESCO heritage site.

    Scheduled to be completed by 2025, the project provided for the restructuring of about a third of the city’s territory by civil administrative buildings and religious buildings, which would have made it possible to regroup the ecclesial services dispersed in the capital, an Orthodox museum, a congress center, and representations of the Autocephalous Churches.

    The total cost was estimated at around 140 billion rubles, or one and a half billion euros. Protoierej Leonid Kalinin, who supported this imposing achievement on behalf of the Moscow Patriarchate, already called the future spiritual center the “capital of orthodoxy.”

    Dramatic change happened on November 5: the new General Plan for the district of the city of Sergiev Posad was approved, but all mention of the construction of buildings for the patriarchate had disappeared.

    The official reason for the cancellation has not been made public. The high cost of the project is certainly not for nothing, given the state of public finances since the start of the pandemic.

    Vladimir Putin Tired of Intra-Orthodox Disputes
    But some commentators - including ones Asianews echoed – “speculate that President Putin has tired of covering the foreign policy defeats of Patriarch Kirill with state money. In the last two years these defeats include the rupture of relations with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, due to the recognition of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Church.”

    In fact, in the “Orthodox Vatican” project, envisaged 13 institutional seats reserved for the various autocephalous Orthodox Churches, starting with that of Constantinople. But the end of relations with the Patriarchate of Constantinople resulted in a chain break with the churches of Athens, Cyprus, and Alexandria.

    Most of the seats would therefore have remained empty: ridicule does not kill, but it nevertheless inclines the Russian president to be cautious, avoiding installing with great pomp a “Moscow papacy,” devoid of any credibility.
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    There was a police officer in the neighborhood a few years ago who was truly malevolent. There are infiltrators everywhere. Yes, planned that way.
     
  3. Denmomof3

    Denmomof3 Principalities

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  4. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    This rupture was over 10 years in the making. It really heated up when Moscow started objecting when the Estonian Orthodox Church announced that it was realigning away from Moscow and towards Constantinople. Moscow was. not. happy. At an Orthodox meeting later that year, Moscow showed up and berated Constantinople for stealing these churches ; and when everybody just shrugged M stomped out of the meeting. Things went downhill from there.
     
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  5. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Yeah, I remember reading about this. The churches need to come back into the fold. I know this will require massive concessions on the part of the Pope to make it happen but it sure seems like it is time. Of course, Our Lord will move these men when he wills it.
    Imagine the uproar it will cause.
     
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  6. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    :cry::cry::cry:
     
  7. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    I beg to differ. It WON'T be the Pope who will make concessions.

    The Greek Orthodox Church is dying. Let me say that again: the Greek Orthodox Church is dying. The only Orthodox seminary in Turkey, on the island of Halki, was closed in 1971. By law, only Turkish citizens can become priests, and Orthodox priests from overseas cannot move to Turkey and acquire citizenship. So there is a rapidly dwindling population of eligible priests, who cannot study inside Turkey but most go outside the country to study, who may have their citizenship stripped while they're out of the country, just because. And there appears to be only one priest in the country available to take over after His All-Holiness Bartholomew I dies. He turns 80 this month.

    Moscow is waiting in the wings to take over. Remember: Moscow was established as a separate Patriarchate so that if/when Constantinople fell to the Muslims, that there would still be a light of Orthodox Christianity in the world (the Romans, of course being heterodox heretics.) As the Tsar at the time said, "Moscow is the Third Rome. There will be no others." Thing is, there aren't too many Orthodox patriarchies waiting in line to accept leadership and domination by Moscow. It may be at that time that the Greek Orthodox may begin to reunite with the Roman church; after a while it may be all the other Orthodox patriarchates will seek reunion with Rome just to keep from being absorbed by Moscow.
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Something I noticed yesterday while doing some research that I am sure is just a coincidence.

    Screenshot from 2020-12-10 08-34-26.png
     
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  9. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Creepy
     
  10. AED

    AED Powers

    No coincidences. "Symbolism will be their downfall" said a certain person posting on 8 chan awhile ago. Cue.
     
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  11. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Guest

    Vatican unveils new Nativity Scene for 2020...

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    Fri Dec 11, 2020 - 3:01 pm EST
    VATICAN CITY, December 11, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — The Vatican nativity scene, unveiled during an evening ceremony today in St. Peter’s Square, has been roundly ridiculed and scorned as a modernist insult to the Incarnation and the Holy Family.

    “This year, more than ever, the staging of the traditional space dedicated to Christmas in St. Peter’s Square is meant to be a sign of hope and trust for the whole world,” a Vatican statement about the scene had promised earlier.

    “It expresses the certainty that Jesus comes among his people to save and console them,” continued the Vatican statement, “an important message in this difficult time due to the COVID-19 health emergency.”

    Despite the Vatican’s promise, the figures — all of which are contemporary ceramic interpretations of the normally familiar figures featured in the portrayal of the birth of Christ in a Bethlehem stable two thousand years ago — are virtually unrecognizable.

    “So the Vatican presepe has been unveiled....turns out 2020 could get worse,” tweeted art historian Elizabeth Lev.

    “It has nothing uplifting or transcendent about it. After a year of ugliness, the least they could have done was offer some beauty,” continued Lev in a subsequent Tweet. “This is shapeless, unappealing and unworthy of the joy we are trying [to] muster after this difficult year.”

    “And to think a few hundred yards away are Michelangelo masterpieces. What do you think he would say if he saw these?” wondered Larry Fitzpatrick...

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/2020-vatican-nativity-scene-meets-universal-ridicule-and-scorn
     
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  12. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

     
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It looks like toys, badly designed toys.
     
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  14. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I can't help it.

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    TRANSUBSTANTIATE TRANSUBSTANTIATE TRANSUBSTANTIATE

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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    BRUTAL WINTER

     
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  16. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    A obviously vile insult to the Holy Family and to the world. God is watching it all......
     
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  17. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    We must accept Gods will and offer it up. Enjoy the moments that we can and keep the faith above all else. Cling to our own cross and the rosary, Stay in a state of grace always. Expect disruptions but don’t despair , God is in control always.
    Pray, hope and don’t worry. We are the children of the most high God. We are His alone.
    St. Michael, protect us and lead us....wherever God chooses.

    ¡Viva Cristo Rey!
     
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  18. andree

    andree Powers

    Yes, and viewed from the side, the magi (I guess it's a magi?) on the left looks more like an astronaut!
     
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  19. Denise P

    Denise P Archangels

    I thought it was the Blessed Mother that looked like an astronaut. Holding the Infant?
     
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