I appreciate you would like clarity Carol, but nevertheless I still disagree with HH myself. I personally am of the opinion that whether or not PF is canonically elected is not a settled issue and there is enough evidence and prophesy to back up the evidence to question whether or not Benedict is still pope. I have no agenda, I am simply open to whatever that truth may be. I just don’t believe any person can claim they are certain on the issue 100% and dislike the accusation of schism when trying to uncover the truth of the matter. In the end, Mary’s Immaculate Heart will Triumph. Peace
I didn't watch the video, but if this is true then I would advise people to avoid him. Personally I avoid all Protestant "prophecies" and generally anything they have to say on spiritual matters. It just mixes up Truth with error and makes a confusing situation worse. I mean no disrespect to Protestants. The ones I have known have been full of vigor and are wonderful people, but we have enough to worry about in the Catholic Church without trying to sort through Protestant issues as well.
Again, that would be beneficial for the new formed false church....why I said it could be something that just suddenly appears as authentic, backing up, for instance the idea all denominations hold true but denying it, like hell, backing what has been introduced by P. Francis....like a little seed planted in the minds already being "authenticated". Otherwise it wouldn't be upsetting to or "rock" all denominations....they would be happy to bring down their "whore's" teachings over the ages. But he emphasized that he did not know what it will be....just his own sensing about things hidden being revealed/exposed. He's always been honest to say when he does not know details because the Lord didn't tell him. Sometimes he's personally thought one thing only to be corrected later, and humbly says so....like Obama's presidency would end or be canceled and he later realized that meant he would be found in these future indictments to have been treasonous and that would annul his presidency. And he was told of Obama's third term when he thought that was impossible, to learn later that that meant his intention to control via the deep state, moving just a short distance from the White House and setting up another alternate minor type "presidency". IOW, he wouldn't give up and just leave after his two terms. He says you have to wait and ponder what is given without knowing for certain until it is more fully evident. He thought the Trump prophecy about him being elected would happen in 2012 since it was given in 2011. When he didn't declare to run then Mark was packing it all in....until he was told that the people had not become awakened enough to the corruption and immorality and would have to endure 4 more years of Obama 'til they were really ready to fight and ask God for help. The prophecy itself he's always insisted was different than just guesses prior to fulfillment.
Contrast what this "prophet" has said and what Verne Dagenais was told when he was just entering into the Catholic Church in mid-2000. www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org 10/28/06 A.M. As I was praying at the adoration chapel some thoughts came to me from Jesus. My child I ask you who is here in front of you? It is I, Jesus Christ, present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity creator of the universe. Where and why would you go else where to worship me? You have a tendency to search and read the teachings of other so- called prophets. Remember a true prophet teaches 100% of my truth no error. If you compare any messages and teachings with my Holy word and my church and they are not in agreement then that teaching is not from the Holy Trinity. God is not the author of confusion. I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me. No one enters heaven without embracing all my truth. There will be no schisms or fighting in heaven. Everyone in heaven knows the truth. Do you realize one of the worst events in the history of the world was the protestant reformation. For it caused division in my church. Here is an example. If you plant a seed and do not water it, it will not grow. But if you water it, it will germinate and in the midst of a garden of flowers a weed can sprout. Many weeds can destroy gardens. So it is with my church. The author of confusion, Satan, spread doubts in my priests, like Martin Luther. Instead of rebuking these doubts, he let Satan water his doubts, weeds grew and confusion and schism came in my church. This was not my will. Let me ask you a question how much truth do you want? 100%, 50% or 25%? Anything less then 100% of my truth will cause confusion. There is only one source of truth in the universe; the Holy Trinity, anything else comes from Satan. Here is a rebuke to you. When you read and study protestant ministers and prophets, who do not teach 100% of my truth, where is there source of truth coming from? It is not from Jesus. It is from their own imagination or Satan. Remember Satan loves to sow confusion. He is infinitely smarter than humans and he knows the truth. His goal is to deceive mankind. When you read a prophet who denies my church, blasphemes my blessed mother and profanes my Eucharist why listen to that prophet, for that teaching comes from one place, the pit of hell. That is not to say I do not work through protestant ministers, because any words of mine are truth. I desire all men to be saved. But many are held in ignorance of not their own fault. But you are different. You have been presented with the whole truth. So why allow doubt and confusion to arise in your mind? If you allow Satan a small seed of doubt, he can make it grow and cause you confusion and even loss of faith. Remember you will be held accountable on the day of judgment to a higher standard for you have the fullness of truth found in the Catholic church. Reference I Corinthians 10:12 and especially for your days Matthew 24:24, "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, in so much as to deceive (if possible) even the elect." As the days get darker, if you do not know your faith and completely trust in me, you will easily fall away. As evil increases the deception increases. Do not listen to every person's predictions of the future. Remember my primary purpose is the salvation of souls. All events will work out for that purpose according to my will and no one else's. You have a choice: follow false teachers, those who teach partial truth, or follow me completely. Come to me in the Blessed Sacrament and let me teach you along with my holy priests, messengers and my church. Do not spend your time with those who teach only partial truth. Say, Jesus I trust in you and I will lead you. Finally, you know how to reach heaven by reception of the sacraments, following my words and the teachings of my church. It is not your duty to try and guess who will go to heaven or hell. Your job is to proclaim my truth as revealed in my holy word and church. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. Again, no one enters my kingdom, without embracing my whole truth. For example, no one in heaven will deny my presence in the Eucharist or my Blessed Mother who is Queen of heaven and earth, no matter what belief they have on earth. You have taken many steps forward, do not go backward or you will not survive the tests coming your way and to this world. Again, let me teach you. Why would you go elsewhere, where I am not present body, blood, soul and divinity? My peace I leave with you and bless you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Your savior and redeemer, Jesus Christ
Yes, he's I think more of the evangelical type but he hits the evangelicals hard for their own attitudes. These experiences brought him to faith and to search more. He never did anything with these messages, had been really sick for years due to adrenal stress and more due to the maximum type of stress as a fire fighter and rescue job. Couldn't leave home for years....felt that he had to go through this suffering, alone, to be prepared to receive such humbly. He happened to tell the wife of the new doctor he found who finally treated him correctly at his first visit and she told her husband....both being believers with strong backgrounds in their faith approach, service, etc. They immediately accepted what Mark had written and told them and they were the ones who began telling others of them. IOW, things fell into place rather than Mark pushing anything and not knowing what he was supposed to do with what he was given. It's not like there hasn't been prophecy within other denominations. But the Church....and all of the splinter groups must undergo its own real purification. Yeah, people know there were errors but nothing to the degree of revelation, repentance and purification necessary has yet occurred. When the boil is opened people will hardly be able to handle all of the puss that will pore forth. The Holy Spirit cannot act in a sinful body. The Church must ask for God's Mercy itself. How much grave sin against the faithful has been committed, like the denial of or delay of heaven's orders for the Church only to cause the terrible abominations of war and immorality, systematized. And the reason that it continues today massively is because it hasn't been exposed to the degree involved. Much more than just "oh, we all know there has been error throughout the Church's history" without really doing anything about it....but now is the time of justice and the revelation of all measured against the Truth will come to pass...finally. So far obviously nothing to the degree necessary has been done. Until that happens things won't get better.
DivineMercy, Thank you for responding. I think that almost all MOG members agree that something is gravely wrong in regards to this pontificate and I believe that we are all in favor of the truth. I am not asking for clarity. In the name of the truth, I am asking Sg for an admission that she misinterpreted some of Cardinal Burke's statements, that is all. In addition, I think we should do our best to stick together and help each other through what is occurring. I don't believe that HeavenlyHosts accused anyone of schism and I don't believe that I accused anyone of schism either but schism should be part of this conversation also at times. I already made clear what I dislike on another post yesterday and that is anything related to Sedevacantism, this is just as bad as peddling Protestantism, imho. I agree, "In the end, Mary’s Immaculate Heart will Triumph". Peace to you also.
Charlie's were predictions that were written in stone by himself to happen, dates, et al but failed to do so. These are placed ahead of time and are unbelievable at the time....like the election of Trump....which, (did of course happen no doubt) when happened was predicted to shake the world with God's anointing which did occur with the sign the day after of the huge earthquake in "Christ Church, New Zealand". And anyone who attacks this "God's anointed" choice would have it backfire on them. While pointing at Trump more and more info has been exposed against the accusers themselves. The whole world is attacking Trump with everything possible, beyond anyone else's ability to go forward in such leadership, accomplishing what he set out to do in the miraculously short time...and from an outsider....and to lead this country back to its origins, "under God", religious freedoms defended by the President, movements to begin to deny the abortion industry. No one in Washington has used the power for the intentions of the Lord up to this point. So, IOW, no comparison to your chosen failure, Charlie, as any kind of example of same. Fun to bring his name into such a discussion but completely irrelevant to this case. People don't know much of this history...and it's obvious....so why the offer of background and perspective. Fun to watch things occur as predicted while other "prophecies" have been delayed for decades with nothing happening due to Church failure and denial of even interest....and actually purposeful blockage at the top. Once again the Lord has to go outside the "invited" list to those more willing and without an a priori fixed stance to refuse anything in the realm of prophecy. Just the part of the prophecy called "energy, energy" has come to pass as well. Truly amazing. Sit back and watch things unfold as predicted. Gives hope rather than the constant negativity about the future. God offers a blessing of unbelievable measure and undeserved....and people still find reason to resume their depressing attitudes, tossing such back in God's face. But then that too is a habit established by clericalism and the neo Pharisaical ordered approach. Same type of approach to the man born blind who was healed....people controlled to deny what they had just experienced and personally witnessed, rather than answer truthfully out of fear of the authorities.
When I listened to his words on the Catholic Church and the Vatican having errors in teachings for centuries, that was enough for me. I had heard this from him before 6 months ago and decided some of his teachings are contrary to church teaching and scripture so I stopped paying attention to him until this recent post. From Verne's message above, it is clear we must have 100% compatibility with scripture and church teaching, as anything less is not of God. He may have had messages at one time, but once they are mixed with his protestant theology he misinterprets or misrepresents what he was told to conform to his protestant understandings. I take prophecy seriously, because God has said both in the old and new testaments that this is how he would speak to his people. Once anything conflicts with scripture and/or church doctrine I drop it immediately.
When you say that the Holy Spirit cannot act in a sinful body, I hope you don't mean the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ. Christ's Church is perfect and has comprised both saints (the Blessed Mother) and sinners (the Apostles) since the very beginning. The Church has more saints now (the Church Triumphant) than it ever had. As always, it is headed by and united to the most perfect of all people ever born - Jesus, the Second Person of the Triune God. The Holy Spirit won't bypass the Church founded by Jesus. When God has a message for the faithful, He will get that message through to us via His Church. That man may or may not be getting messages. If so, they are personal to him, and if they are from God they will lead him to Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist which he won't find in whatever Protestant (Bible alone) denomination he belongs to.
He's not Catholic for crying out loud. He did not say the Church has had errors in teachings for centuries....but that past errors (and you have to admit that there have been a slew of them if you're honest) will be exposed. Theology, esp. Catholic theology is foreign to Protestants....duh! And "theology" covers a huge history and of various themes....like the times of counting the number of angels the fit on the head of a pin which type is comical to those outside. And, unlike the others people love to point to for still some time in the future as yet to be settled, guessing dates, and various individuals having visions and messages on same but giving wholly different perspectives, Mark's Trump prophecies themselves have secured themselves. Leave out the individuals' personalities who are not of your particular training, education, and look at the proofs which have and continue to occur as said. These have been right on target as unbelievable they seemed prior to their proofs.
You do go on....without even defining the question you lead with as being unsure of what was even meant. Hey, I only agree with the many who speak of the now totally corrupt institutional church, invaded by more than just the smoke of Satan now....one of whom who spoke of this failed institution, no longer open to the Spirit acting within due to its many unforgiven and unrepented massive numbers of sin....Fr. Malachi....and Fr. Gobbi who spoke to the clergy in huge numbers with the certificate of ordination in one pocket and their membership card to the Masons in the other. Fr. Malachi knew the intelligence of the very inner workings of this "institution" from the top down. Even righteous Protestants separate the corrupt institutional church from the true believers. In that they may be more credible than those within who can't admit to the falsehoods. If you would teach otherwise then you are the one preaching against Christ Himself, so maligned and scandalized by such defense of the indefensible. The Mystical Body is alive within the hearts consecrated to Mary and is now being formed to live through the hard times that follow the exposure of the dead institution. God throughout history has used many of those of good will who are close to His own Mind's intentions who may not have been schooled in your only path seeming open to God to use. I'm sure He'll be surprised by this new and enlightened but false info about His workings through His, not your, particular choices of use throughout history. And obviously you are unfamiliar with this man's unsolicited messages of prophetic substance since they are anything but just personal....proven so by their fruits for the country itself, not the individual who has suffered the consequences from those who are without hope and charity, and meant for the public of good will for the restoration of America. They have taken place publicly as predicted for all to examine and continue to do so. Personally interpreted and/or accompanied by certain doubts fit more the types offered by many private revelations within the Church herself....why sooooo many go forever without approval....always some personal glitch involved in such. Sorry if this news shocks certain rigidity to acceptance of such facts, but they abound in example. Those types within the Church themselves are left more to the opinion of the reader or listener according to his/her quality of discernment. And, it is teaching that all will eventually have the Truth revealed to them....be it now or even after death due to no fault of their own. They are those who St. Paul refers to as at least having the law written on their hearts. That is what Divine Mercy is for...and it is for all....not only the "swells" of one's particular choice. And such is the example given by Our Lady of Medjugorje when asked for the holiest type within this Catholic village...a Muslim woman!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinals-can-declare-that-a-heretical-pope-has-lost-his-office-church-hist Cardinals can declare that a heretical pope has ‘lost his office’: Church historian Stephen Kokx Shutterstock.com Professor Roberto de Mattei speaking at the 2018 Catholic Family News conference. Dave Reilly DEERFIELD, IL, April 10, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – True devotion to the Chair of St. Peter is essential to a Christian spiritual life, but today there exists a “false devotion” to the Pope that claims he “must always be obeyed, no matter what,” renowned Church historian Roberto de Mattei told a gathering of Catholics just outside Chicago this past weekend. Speaking at the 2018 Catholic Family News conference, de Mattei called on laity and clergy alike to oppose the “theological error” of “papolatry” and to live out a “true devotion” to the papacy. “True devotion to the Chair of Peter is not the worship of the man who occupies this Cathedra, but is the love and veneration for the mission which Jesus Christ gave to Peter and his successors.” Professor de Mattei’s talk — delivered to approximately 100 Catholics hailing from multiple continents — touched on a variety of topics, including collegiality, the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, and the claim that Pope Francis has fallen into heresy and is no longer pope. Obedience to God first Central to de Mattei’s hour-long address was an urgent request for Catholics to expose by name the pastors who contradict perennial Church teaching. Opposing errors is not enough, Professor de Mattei said. “We need to have the courage to say: ‘Holy Father, you are the first one responsible for the confusion which exists today in the Church. Holy Father, you are the first one responsible for the heresies which are circulating in the Church today.’” Papolatry views the Pope as a “new Christ.” It takes the position that “there is no need to worry about anything” and that the pope “perfects the doctrine of his predecessors, adapting it to the changing of the times.” Papolatrists “deceive themselves” and “tranquilize” their conscience by thinking the pope is “always right, even when he contradicts himself or his predecessors.” In reality, “Tradition remains the criterion for discerning that which is Catholic and that which is not.” “Tradition comes before the Pope and not the Pope before Tradition.” Otherwise the Church’s perennial magisterium is replaced with a “living” magisterium that has “its rule of faith in the subject of the authority and not in the object of the transmitted truth.” Obedience to the Pope “has its limits in the natural and Divine Laws, and in the Tradition of the Church, of which the Pope is guardian and not creator.” Catholics cannot remain silent Professor de Mattei, who will be speaking at LifeSiteNews’ Roman Life Forum in May 2018, also pointed out that Catholics cannot succumb to a “catacombist” mentality in response to the crisis in the Church. Catholics cannot “retreat from the battlefield” and think they can “survive without fighting.” It is not permitted for a Christian to leave behind their militant attitude. “To make silence a rule of behavior...would be an error.” It would be to commit a guilty silence. Who then must speak up and what must they do? Professor de Mattei said the responsibility falls not only on ordinary Catholics but also on Cardinals who in their silence “don't fulfill their duty.” It also falls on the shoulders of Pope Emeritus Benedict. “The politics of silence has become a jail which imprisons many conservatives.” “Today is the moment to speak.” There has been a “modernist infiltration inside the Church” that is “wreaking havoc” in Rome. Catholics must oppose this infiltration with filial resistance, not with sarcasm, irreverence, bitter zeal, or pride. Is the Pope Catholic? Professor de Mattei then shared his thoughts on the historic resignation of Pope Benedict. It is “incorrect” for Benedict to refer to himself as Pope Emeritus. Quoting Cardinal Brandmüller, de Mattei said “Canon Law doesn’t recognize the figure of a Pope Emeritus.” For Benedict to still dress in the white papal vestments and to still live in the Vatican “creates confusion,” de Mattei told LifeSiteNews. Benedict “seems to be convinced of still being Pope.” But “it is impossible that two Popes can exist. The Papacy is not dismountable: there can be only one Vicar of Christ.” Professor de Mattei also addressed the increasingly relevant, and increasingly important, question of whether Pope Francis is still the pope. After citing others scholars who have suggested Francis has fallen into heresy, de Mattei said “we must admit that the Pope himself promotes and propagates errors and heresies in the Church.” But, “as a tree can live for a certain time after its roots have been severed, so can jurisdiction be maintained...even after a fall into heresy. Jesus Christ maintains the person of the heretical Pontiff in his jurisdiction provisionally, until the Church recognizes the deposition.” Speaking to LifeSiteNews, de Mattei said “nobody can depose the pope” but the Cardinals, can, in principle, “declare and recognize that being a heretic, [the pope] has lost his office.” Until such a time comes, de Mattei added, Catholics must “clarify to people that unfortunately [Pope Francis] propagates heresy.” However, Francis “does not lose his office until his heresy becomes manifest” and widespread. This “has not yet happened.” Occupying powers in Rome Professor de Mattei proceeded to issue what appeared to be a warning to Catholics concerned with the direction Francis is leading the Church. “We need to be careful of speaking of the ‘Bergoglian church,’ or of ‘the new Church.’ The Church today is occupied by churchmen who betray or deform the message of Christ, but it has not been substituted by another church. There is only one Catholic Church, in which they cohabitate in a confused and fragmentary way, different and counterpoised theologies and philosophies. It is more correct to speak of a ‘Bergoglian theology,’ of a ‘Bergoglian philosophy,’ and, if one wishes, of a ‘Bergoglian religion’ or ‘irreligion.’” There are not two Churches, but one Church, he continued. It is, to be sure, a Church where bad tendencies have been introduced but it is a Church still governed visibly by its Vicar Pope Francis, whose election has not been contested by any Cardinal. Professor de Mattei urged Catholics to unite themselves to “the good priests” inside of the one Church. Assisting the auto-demolition of the Church Drawing on his vast knowledge of Church history, Professor de Mattei explained how Pope Francis’ support for decentralization and collegiality is undermining the papacy. Reminding his listeners of how ultramontanists were victorious at Vatican I, Professor de Mattei noted that the real protagonists of Vatican II were Liberal Catholics, and that among other things Liberal Catholics seek to transform the “monarchical and hierarchical constitution of the Church into a democratic and parliamentary structure.” Professor de Mattei pointed out that this is precisely what Francis is attempting to do. He wants to usher in a “polycentric or multi-sided church” where the papacy is “conceived as a form of ministry at the service of the other churches, renouncing the juridical Primacy or government of Peter.” But, de Mattei continued, such a view of the papacy runs counter to what has been handed down through the ages. The Pope is not an equal with the other Bishops. “Jesus Christ entrusted the mission of governing to Peter, after the Resurrection.” To democratize the Church and to “reduce her to a purely-sacramental dimension” is to “transition from a juridical Church to a sacramental Church, a Church of communion.” Moreover, Professor de Mattei added, to destroy the Primacy of Peter is to accomplish what the enemies of Christ have been attempting to do for centuries because “they have understood that it comprises the visible foundation of the Mystical Body [of Christ].” Editor's note: Read the full text of Professor de Mattei’s talk here.
The bolded area above is as good a summary of the current situation as we’re going to find anywhere right now.
I go on? And you go on to write three paragraphs on how the Holy Spirit ignores all those people in Christ's Church consecrated to Jesus (not to Mary but to Jesus through Mary) and chooses as His messenger a man not fully in Union with Christ's Church who presumably is also sinful since he has received no Sacraments since his Baptism. I haven't the faintest notion of what you mean by the "restoration" of America. Restoration to what? If America becomes a truly Christian country, it will be a Catholic country which it has never been. Christ founded only one Church and neither you nor your favourite "prophet" has any authority to dismiss its relevance to God's plan for the salvation of all people. Shame on you. Our Lady didn't appear in Medjugorje and she didn't tell anyone that some unbaptised woman was the holiest person there.
Here are a couple of very sobering statements made by Fr. Malachi Martin in an interview. Keep in mind he was speaking over 20 years ago, long before any of the current events we are grappling with started. Fr. Martin was asked if the Conclave of Cardinals could possibly elect a heretical Pope and he answered: “Yes, we could have an apostate as Pope. In that case, we would be into something terrible. We would be into something which is nightmarish. It would test the faith of the greatest saint. … Your faith would be battered to pieces. If that happens, they would have the prize and everything would have to go underground. We are, indeed, on our way to becoming, as Paul VI described in his misery, an infinitesimally small part of humanity. Going into more detail he added: “Roman Catholics will then have the spectacle of a pope validly elected who cuts the entire visible body of the Church loose from the traditional unity and the papacy-oriented apostolic structure that the Church has hitherto always believed and taught was divinely established. The shudder that will shake the Roman Catholic body in that day will be the shudder of its death agony. … Many will accept the new regime. Many will resist. All will be fragmented. There will be no one on Earth to hold the fractionating members of the visible Roman Catholic body together as a living compact organization.”
In the article Brian posted above we are encouraged to find good priests God must certainly have a plan for us
