Vatican says vaccines derived from aborted foetuses are “morally acceptable”.

The statement that the vaccine has been "tested extensively in critical trials" is patently untrue. It takes years to test and trial any medicine effectively

 

I've had one doctor tell me that this is based on so much other testing. Basically, they go by standards developed in other research so they can do it quicker. Since coming up with vaccines isn't "new" then they can go by what they already know. Which doesn't make me feel any better about it. How can they really compare their research in other diseases and the like and apply it to this bit? Whatever they do, it will take me a long time to come to grips on the fact that they "might" know what there doing. But I'm not going to be a test dummy for them. What do they think I am? Stupid?

 

Novavax is using an ethically derived invertebrate cell line Sf9 in testing its vaccine. It does not rely on abortion cell lines. And will be available this spring.
Has anyone heard of this drug?

 

Its a Maryland based drug company.

 

I have heard about Novavax. It is reported to be 96% effective, and no reports of severe illness, or deaths among those who received the vaccine in a UK trial. It is not even on the radar here in Massachusetts, so no talk about this vaccine coming soon. All we hear about are the big three, Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson. I do hope it becomes available, Novavax sounds as though it could be a possibility for many of us who are waiting for an ethically derived vaccine.

 

My elderly mother is taking the vaccine today, please pray for her and others like her if you can today. I have discussed this with her a bit and she thinks she is doing her duty as a good citizen and is at peace with her decision, so may God's will be done.

I know it's been brought up here already, but I was looking for advice from within the Church to send to her and was stunned to read the statement in a letter from Bishops that basically, it's ok to take it because the use of these cell lines is so widespread that we can't avoid them. Bishops are saying oh well, this evil is not from us so let's all go ahead and participate.

In parallel I was watching over several days this long and most excellent joint interview with Dr Mikovits and RFK Jnr. It covers much ground and at one point Dr Mikovits says we're in the book of Daniel now and compares the covid shots to the food that the four healthy boys refused to eat in the kings court in the book of Daniel. They were thrown into the fire for not adoring the king's idols and saved from the flames as they praised God throughout. Dr Mikovits compares the injections (she refuses to call them vaccines) to the impure food that we also have to refuse like those boys. The boys were a minority I think as most of Israel must have given in to eating impure foods and I presume the rabbis and others must have justified it for the people.

So how crazy is it that Church leaders are telling us to cooperate but righteous counsel is coming from a Protestant virologist telling us that we have to be like Sidrach, Misach, and Abdenago of our times? I feel like sending the video of Mikovits & RFK to the conference of Bishops to wake them up! Oh and the Mikovits & RFK interview was done in a Church, which seems right since they are all seeking to tell the truth on this!

Prayers for our Church leaders today.

 

Thank you, Andree!!!!

 

It's totally offensive for the Bishops to declare that! But run-of-the-mill catholics will think it's fine to take an abortion-tainted vaccine.. In NO way can this evil lead to a good! I will never believe that. It's the state of the Church today, sadly.
I'm afraid for my sister who is very frail with an auto-immune disease and who's husband calls the shots and he has great disdain for Catholicism. She said she will do what she is told (by him). Prayers needed for her and her husband..

 

Fr. Goring has put this statement out about Astra/Zen (or pic pic) vaccine. Must be to avoid the censors! Apparently 10 Countries have stopped distribution.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...CMAF6BAgBEAw&usg=AOvVaw2yysNlggkae2FeQynmdEgu

 

Hi Byron
That’s good news - just to be clear - are you saying that that abortion cell lines have no part in the Novavax vaccine in origin, production or testing? Can you provide a source that confirms this?
Thanks
Joe

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...uspends-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effect-fears.html

 

A friend has developed severe pain in her eyes, headache, bad taste and sore throat after her recent vaccination. She could not continue at work. She was in perfect health before the jab. Her family have now been re-tested tested are isolating and her husband is not getting assistance with money because this the second time he has had to isolate. I have basically been told to butt out when I told another friend about the origin and concerns of AstraZeneca.

 

This is horrid.

 

Like it not not, you're getting it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-56379383

Covid: Judge rules man with learning difficulties should be vaccinated



A man with severe learning difficulties should have a Covid-19 vaccine, despite his family's objections, a judge ruled.

Specialists said the man, who is in his 30s, was "clinically vulnerable" and in a "priority group" for vaccination.

But the man's parents objected and raised a number of concerns about alleged side-effects.

Judge Jonathan Butler agreed with NHS Tameside & Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group that vaccination was in his best interests.

The judge, who is based in Manchester, considered the case at a hearing in the Court of Protection, where issues relating to people who lack the mental capacity to make decisions are analysed.

He did not name the man in his written ruling, published on Friday.

A number of specialists involved in the man's care all thought he should be vaccinated but his father claimed the vaccine had not been tested sufficiently and did not stop people contracting Covid-19.

He added the long-term side effects on people with severe health issues were unknown.

The man's mother and brother agreed.

Judge Butler said the man's father had outlined his concerns with "conviction and great clarity".

'No clinical base'
He added: "I have no doubt whatsoever that his objections are founded on a love for (his son) and a wish to ensure that he comes to no harm.

"His objections were not intrinsically illogical. They were certainly not deliberately obstructive.

"They were made upon the basis as to what he regards as being in the best interests of (his son).

"That concern for his son does him credit."

But he said the family's objections had "no clinical evidence base".

He said the man was vulnerable and said there was "overwhelming objective evidence of the magnetic advantage of a vaccination".

The judge said he had ruled that vaccination was in the man's best interests, but had not authorised "physical intervention".

Health authority bosses had said the vaccine would not be administered if any "form of physical intervention" was required.

A Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group spokesperson said: "Our primary concern will always be the best clinical interests of our patients and we work closely with patients, families and clinicians and care providers to understand any concerns or judgements made about their care."

 

Poor woman, prayers.

 

Morally Mandatory Vaccines?
https://www.lumenfidei.ie/morally-mandatory-vaccines/

So why are Catholics being told that we can accept a vaccine that has been developed or tested on body parts derived from the murder of the most innocent human beings of all?

It would seem to me that the revulsion over these abortion tainted vaccines, felt by those Catholics who are directly involved in the pro-life movements, is an expression of the ‘sensus fidei’ of the Catholic faithful.

Saying that it is morally permissible to take such tainted vaccines, actually perpetuates the trade in aborted foetal remains and does nothing to diminish it. I would argue that it is therefore immoral, not because of being complicit in the abortion itself, but because it is directly helping to sustain the market for the trading of body parts that come from aborted babies.

Bishop Doran also makes the unsubstantiated claim that, “if significant numbers of people chose not to be vaccinated the result could be significant loss of life and serious illness in the community and especially among those who are most vulnerable.”

The first and most obvious response to this is that significant numbers of elderly and vulnerable people die every year. There is no known cure for death. We will all die one day.

But, according to Irish Government figures, the median age of death from the beginning of Covid-19 in Ireland in early March 2020, up to the third week of January 2021, was 83 years of age, and the average age of death was 81 years of age. (source: HPSC Weekly Report on the Epidemiology of COVID-19 in Ireland Week 3 25/01/2021)

Given that the average life expectancy in Ireland is 82.1 years of age, this means that just over half of those who died ‘with’ Covid-19 in Ireland had already lived longer than the average life expectancy.

Covid-19 is not having a significant impact on life expectancy in this country and, to lock-down a country, to destroy the livelihoods of thousands of people, to imprison people in their homes, to deny access to the Sacraments, and to ban visitors from nursing homes is an act of unnecessary and incalculable cruelty.

The Pfizer-BionTech and Moderna medicines are not vaccines per-se, they are a new experimental technology which has not been properly tested. The FDA has authorised their use but it has withheld approval from them.

 

This is terrible. I've gotten the robo call letting me know I'm up for the shot. I put in a good "NO." Of course, I got the call three times. I guess they just wanted to make sure or something. But I don't plan on getting it. At least, not willingly. In all the years I've gotten health care through the VA system, I've never been forced to do something I didn't want to do. At least, not medically. I hope it doesn't come down to being forced to take it. They would have to get me kicking and screaming.

 

I found this a useful site.
It seems that Novavax may not be completely free from guilt as it sometimes uses aborted cell lines to test their vaccines. Production of Novavax however does not use cells from aborted babies.
https://lozierinstitute.org/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/

 

I was taught as a child that it was never, ever, ever acceptable to do an evil act underany circumstances. That if you were to tell a lie and might save the entire planet, still that lie should not be told.

I guess times have changed.