The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Just splashed out on the Malachi Martin box-set and a book by Wolfgang Smith on the antichrist. Thanks for the references and pointer to a good website.
     
  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :)
     
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  3. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    It’s very telling.
     
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  4. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Well worth it.
     
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  5. AED

    AED Powers

    As I recall he said that modernists hate the traditional Mass with a hatred so virulent that M. MArtin said he couldn't explain it. He said Bugnini was a Mason and Paul VI was afraid of his own shadow. Bugnini's first so called reform Mass almost got through but Cardinal Ottaviani put a last minute "intervention" that restored the sacrificial aspect. Prior to his intervention it had been reduced to a mere meal. Ottaviani saved it. But as M. Martin said the priest has to take great care when saying it to keep it valid. Praetorian can probably give a better account than I can here. I have to reread the transcriptions. (I have a whole stack of them somewhere in my closet:()
     
  6. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Thank God for Cardinal Ottaviani!
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Sg, Thank you for posting this. It is long and I think I have been deterred from watching it in the past because of it's length. I have learned to multi-task and listen to these long videos now so I am in the process of listening to it now. I have about the first hour completed and at around the 45 minute mark he speaks about the Novus Ordo and all of the sacraments (maybe before 45 minute mark) confirming what AED has stated about the priests having to take great care when performing them to keep them valid. I remember Praetorian stating something like this also.

    I found it interesting that MM states that the book is mainly about the Apostasy in the Church, I didn't realize this.
     
  8. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I know you have posted about the Ottaviani Intervention before SG, but here is a link from EWTN about it for any who may want to read it:

    https://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/reformof.htm

    As AED said Cardinal Ottaviani, and I believe one other Cardinal, stepped in to stop Bugnini's first iteration of the Novus Ordo because apparently it had strayed so far from Catholicism as to not actually be a Mass at all.
     
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  9. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Powers

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    Not all of Italy is lost. This is found in a church in Viterbo, Italy.
     
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  10. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Hmm, you are making me think that I should at least try to listen to the video too.
    I do want to know what Malachi Martin said.
    I should read The Windswept House, too.
     
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  11. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Relentless in his pursuit of a change in Church teachings o_O:cautious::(

    ‘Need for change’: Cdl. Marx says German bishops will revisit Catholic sexual teaching

    Maike Hickson
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    Cardinal Reinhard Marx Popow/ullstein bild via Getty Images
    March 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Cardinal Reinhard Marx signaled today that the Catholic Church in Germany is open to revisiting Catholic sexual teaching that prohibits contraception, cohabitation, and homosexual relationships.

    During their March 11-14 spring assembly in Lingen, Germany, the German Bishops' Conference discussed possible causes and reasons for the current clerical sex abuse crisis in Germany. Invited speakers raised the idea of ordaining the so-called viri probati (morally proven men), as well as accepting contraception, cohabitation, homosexual relationships, as well as gender theory.

    The German bishops have now decided to further discuss these themes in a series of discussions which they call a “synodal path.”

    read the rest at
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/german-bishops-to-revisit-catholic-sexual-teaching
     
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Their solution for the abuse crisis is not to eliminate the abuse but the sinfulness of it.

    It reminds me of the old 'Carry On' films. Let's just call it 'Carry on...(insert epitaph of your choice-delicacy forbids me from inserting mine)'.

    If Catholic sexual teaching can be revised, why not any other part of it? If it's only a matter of the opinions of those with their hands on the wheels of power, the Faith can be anything at any any particular time. On that basis, the events described in the Gospels might only have been the resulting 'themes' from a 'series of discussions' two millenia ago between various fishermen, tax collectors and so on. If such lowly men can devise such a 'path', we can only look on in awe at what these supremely intelligent and highly educated experts in Germany will lead us.
     
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  13. AED

    AED Powers

    The book was a shocker to me when I read it in 96 even though i had an idea of some of the grave scandals and problems in the Church. Martin really lays out the intertwined Masonic church with Masonic state actors and the active plotting to put in their own Pope. The cardinals are thinly disguised. It breaks the heart to read it but of course now i know it is far worse than what M. Martin exposed. Thinking on it I am sure he knew how bad it was but was careful in how much he could reveal.
     
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

    There are some wonderful characters in it based I suspect on real people. Fr. Schneider an east German priest (!!!Bishop Schneider?) And Fr Damian Slattery the exorcist priest and Fr Aldo Carnesecca a quiet heroic holy priest. I dont want to give away the story but these are wonderful characters.
     
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  15. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    There are pdf's out there of the list of characters and their corresponding real life prelates in the church on Scribd. Right down to setting up the means for the attempted forced resignation of pope JPII, MM lays it all out. I would say 80% of that book is non fiction and has been a sort of road map that includes Saint Gallan.
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    True!!
     
  17. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Marx(ist)
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    apostasy in high places
     
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  19. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    This is pretty scary stuff...hope I’m not around to see it happen.



     
  20. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Makes me sick...

     

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