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The Triumph

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Fatima, Aug 27, 2017.

  1. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    I think this is a truly, truly profound post.

    I believe it was Medj visionary Ivan who once said that "conversion takes a lifetime".
     
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Although it is not the norm, God does provide the "St. Paul" moment where conversion comes quickly. I believe the Warning will be like this. Very little time will be necessary once you see your soul as God sees it. All truth will be know with absolute clarity. Ones heart will either melt in his love or it will be hardened in stone against the truth revealed because of pride.
     
  3. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    After his 'conversion' moment Paul spent at least 2 years in Arabia in the desert praying and in meditation (and probably preparing for his mission as God called him to Arabia).

    God called him to holiness and he responded. He did not become a saint immediately on his conversion at Damascus.
     
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  4. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Thus Holy Mother´s kind of cryptic remark in Medj: "The time for conversion is NOW. When the permanent sign appears it will be too late".
     
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  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    True.

    As an example, Medj author Wayne Weible is a good man who´s been following Medj for years. He believes the warning IS the second secret. But that is his personal opinion only and he´s been wrong before.

    In fact, to the best of my knowledge the warning has never been explicitly mentioned in Medj, not by Our Holy Mother, not by the seers. We may infer that maybe this message or that is a veiled reference to the warning, but that´s all.

    Does that mean the warning (or "purification" as Vassula calls it, or "illumination of conscience") is not real or is not in the secrets? Far from that. But we just don´t know.
     
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  6. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    One of the effects of the Illumination of conscience I believe will be a terrible remorse felt by those who receive the Grace to convert at the time of Illumination or Warning.

    I feel that Blessed Mother wants as many of us as possible to have corrected our own behaviours; and as others here point out have time to become more practised in the virtues, so we can assist souls we encounter who are suffering the horror of remorse after the Warning.

    Of course it is necessary to suffer remorse in order to sincerely confess our sins; but I truly believe those suffering remorse many for the first time in their lives will need a great deal of compassion and reassurance that Jesus suffered for every sin, and forgiveness is available through the Church.

    Remorse can serve in part as expiation for the effects of our sins, if we trust Jesus to have Mercy on us and save us.

    I personally don't think the visible signs of the Triumph of Immaculate Heart of Mary will necessarily be felt this year. When we recall Saint John Paul II made the Consecration to Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1984; but it was 1989 before we saw the fall of the Iron Curtain. So we could be waiting 5 years to see the visible effects of this long awaited Triumph. Of course I would love to see it NOW; but don't think we should expect to have instant results. The problem with presuming to know how God will bring about the Triumph, is we could get very disheartened if it does not pan out the way we expect. All safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary by the Grace of God.

    But we can surely dare to hope.
     
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  7. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    It could be something like Christ's death on the cross, defeating Satan and opening heaven for souls. What was awaited happened and yet, even while leaving His Body with us in the Eucharist His will comes still through the free will of men. Each must decide for its individual benefits of grace to unfold within. Thus the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart can occur in fact, in time, while still many refuse the graces offered by that defeat, crushing of Satan's head. But the Triumph still awaits what was specifically asked for by God through Mary....and because of that lack of response by the Church "it will be late".
     
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  8. Yes, you are correct. Just to add: according to the exegetes were at least 4 years learning the faith. In Acts is said "after 4 years"...
     
  9. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    Marija's testimony in St Stephen's Cathedral when she spoke of Our Lady's triumph 'this year' is a powerful one so I'm posting the whole thing here:

    It is a great joy to be here with you because today, in this year, we are celebrating the 10th meeting here in the Cathedral and we are praying for peace. As Our Lady has appeared from the beginning when Our Lady has invited us and introduced Herself as the Queen of Peace. She has invited us to work for peace. On the third day of the apparitions, Our Lady appeared with a cross behind Her and She said, 'Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace must reign between God and men, among all men, and peace in the world.' That was the first message that Our Lady gave. Today we can feel in our hearts how important peace is. That is the biggest treasure that mankind can have...the peace within our hearts. That is why Our Lady has said, 'God has allowed me to be among you: To invite you, to love you, and to instruct you on the path to peace.

    Our Lady started to guide the parish of (Saint James) of Medjugorje through the messages that She was giving every Thursday to the parish. Then Our Lady started to guide prayer groups. Our Lady has said that families can be prayer groups. Our Lady said to read the Holy Scripture every day, to pray the rosary every day. Without saying it to us, we (visionaries) knew that the rosary is the dearest prayer to Our Lady. Our Lady said that the rosary is the strongest weapon against satan.

    Today we met with Cardinal Ernesto who will give his testimony as well. It is a great joy to be here with you, but also because of him. Because Cardinal has said that the rosary has saved his life in his most difficult times. Also we can say that those are the precious moments (the difficult moments are precious ones). At the beginning of the apparitions, we were small, we were living under Communism and the Mother of God was telling us, 'Pray. Pray. Pray' and we have done what She asked of us and we survived.

    In the most difficult times, we have lived the joy of Our Lady and our faith was stronger every day. There are still difficulties today. We have problems, illnesses, but when we have prayer, when we have God, everything else takes second place. As Our Lady said, 'Our goal is heaven - the eternal life.' If you think about heaven, everything else is not important. When we think about Our Lady, angels, and all the Saints; we can already feel the joy within our hearts. Our heart is moving towards heaven. The Mother of God said to us, 'Without God, there is no future and no eternal life.'

    Through the messages that Our Lady is giving out to us, She is inviting us to get closer to God and to prayer, and then we will have peace. The peace will reign within your hearts. Our Lady is saying that in these difficult times, God has allowed me to be with you. Our Lady IS with us. When we have God and Our Lady with us, then who can be against us? Just thinking about that, there is already joy in our hearts.

    What is Our Lady inviting us to? In the first days of the apparitions when we climbed the apparition hill, Our Lady said to us, 'Go to the fields close to your homes, pray, and I will come.' And She came. She appeared to us. We have prayed the rosary. Our Lady was very joyful because we have the made the intention of the rosary for Our Lady's Intentions. Our Lady was so joyful that She invited us to touch Her. Really what She wants is to take all of us with Her into heaven. But then I asked Our Lady, "How is it possible that we can touch you? Okay, we can see you, but what about those that cannot see you?" Then Our Lady said to us, 'Take their hands and lead their hands to touch me.' And we did it. Everybody felt the presence of Our Lady. Some felt cold. Some fragrance, electricity and different ways that people experienced, but all those people thought mainly that Our Lady is there with us. And then as we, who could see Our Lady, we noticed that as people touched the dress of Our Lady, we could see that Our Lady's dress was becoming dirty. Then we started to cry and I asked Our Lady, 'Why is your dress getting dirtier every time somebody touches you?' Then Our Lady said, 'That is because of the sins.' Our Lady said to us to go to a church, to a priest for confession. We all went because none of us wanted to leave stains on Our Lady's dress. Today Medjugorje is the biggest confessional in the world! Four days ago, I met a priest, a Spanish priest who is 65 years old. He was ready to hear confessions in the Spanish language. He said, 'I have a lot of experience hearing confession because I'm 65 years old.' Then he said to me with tears in his eyes, 'My heart is so moved by the confessions that I have heard (in Medjugorje) -- those deep confessions. All the pilgrims have decided to convert and to get closer to God. Then I bless the pilgrim and believe that, for this person, a new life will start.'
    continued....
     
  10. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    continued....

    The same is true for us here today: us, we that are here celebrating the peace. From today on, we can become even bigger instruments of Our Lady. As instruments to achieve peace through our testimonies, through our prayer, through our examples, we can convert many people that we meet. The same as the Apostles did. They were known as Christians because of their love and because they shared.

    Today, this year, we are celebrating the 100 years of Our Lady's apparitions in Fatima. That is another celebration! Only once did Our Lady speak about another apparition other than Medjugorje and what Our Lady said is that whatever She has started in Fatima, She will finish in Medjugorje. What did Our Lady say in Fatima? Our Lady said, 'Pray for all those who do not pray. Pray for all those that are not adoring God.' In Medjugorje give witness for all those that are not able to give witness. Our Lady is inviting us to spend as much time as we can before the Blessed Sacrament. To be there, in front of the Blessed Sacrament is a blessing for our lives. Because when someone loves, they speak about love. When you love God, you speak about God. When you love someone, you tell others about them and so on... If you are really in love with God, then you will become His witnesses. This is what the Saints did. They bore witness, gave witness and testimony. Two days ago (October 22nd) we celebrated the feast day of Saint John Paul II. The way St. John Paul II spoke of Our Lady showed how much love that he had for Our Lady. So many times Pope John Paul II sent us visionaries rosary beads that we used. And then Benedict was the Holy Father, Pope Benedict was for us all good and theological. He taught us sin is sin and wholeness is wholeness. He taught us to take the true path as Our Lady has said, 'Live the Commandments of God. Love your neighbor, don't take what doesn't belong to you, and so on.' As we can see, there are not so many people that convert. But then I say, 'No, it's not true because it is easier to hear a tree that falls than a tree that grows.' The tree that grows with its branches so high give witness to others. We should witness with our lives. Our Lady said, 'It doesn't matter who you are or what skin color you have, you are invited to give witness of your faith.'

    He (Cardinal Ernesto Simoni) comes from Albania and he told us about Muslims. He said to the Muslims, 'You pray in your way and I will pray for you. I am blessing you and I will pray for you.' Then they came back and said that they had received grace. Work for the unity, for peace because peace is the biggest treasure for mankind and we know that satan all the time is trying to start a war here or there. But the most beautiful thing is when a man kneels down with a rosary in his hands because the rosary beads are a stronger weapon than a nuclear bomb. We know that, and we believe that, and that is why we pray!

    As Our Lady said, 'God has allowed me to be among you' and we would like to thank Our Lady for Her presence in Medjugorje. She is still with us. We would like to say thank you to Our Lady for being with us, and to thank Her for not leaving us. She has allowed us to be close to Her and that She allowed us to fall in love with Her and that She brought us to Her Son because She has the most love for Her Son. She always speaks about Her Son. She brings us Jesus. She is carrying Him and that is what we will do as well (they were going to have the Eucharist at Mass after the recitation of the rosary). When we all love the Son; at that point the world changes and then peace will reign. And I believe that this year the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. Our Lady said to us that She will not leave us alone. She is giving us the messages. During the apparition, Our Lady prays. Our Lady prayed in Her mother language -- in Her own Aramaic language and I didn't understand anything. And as we couldn't understand, She said, 'Do not forget that I am your Mother and that I love you.' We shouldn't forget that She is the Mother and that She loves us. And let us pray that those who are away from God and lost in sin that She will bring us all to Her Son. And let it be so. Amen.

    Finally I have found this priest (the translator for Marija to translate into German) that received his vocation in Medjugorje and I would like to thank this priest for translating me. I hope that the message of Our Lady will be even stronger because it was translated by a priest!

    http://marytv.tv/?page_id=2620
     
  11. IXOYE4me

    IXOYE4me Angels

    Awe filled, and Beautiful!
    Thank you
    for posting this David

    And Thank you Holy Mother for being with us .. .. :love:
     
  12. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    An alternative understanding of Marija's words in Vienna about the Triumph has been proposed which I feel is probably accurate.

    It has been suggested that Marija's reported comment in St Stephen's Cathedral could well be taken in a different way. A slight alteration of her quoted words would show a different meaning:

    When we all love the Son, at that point the world changes and then peace will reign and I believe that (it is in) this year (that) the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph.

    Meaning that the year when we all love the Son and peace reigns, then the Heart of Mary triumphs.

     
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  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    And you think this time is close David?
    That all will love the Son?
    And peace will reign?
    Before the triumph?
     
  14. jackzokay

    jackzokay Angels

  15. davidtlig

    davidtlig Powers

    I do not really have a view on what the future holds or the way events will 'play out'. But I believe that the Warning of Garabandal, (or the Purification, Day of the Lord, New Pentecost - all these refer to the same event) will be an epoch changing event. And it will happen during our lifetimes. Maybe this year, maybe not.

    How things will 'look' after that event is unknown. Evil will still exist but mankind will have been shown the reality of God and will respond accordingly.

     
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  16. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    I am perfectly aware some here do not view Orthodox mystic Vassula favorably but here is an interesting recent message which, if true, seems to confirm that prophetic events are close.

    The day and hour belong to Me, your God
    February 13, 2016

    My peace I give to you; will you pen down My Words?

    Yes Lord...

    this generation is hard to bend; enfeebled by their sins they lay their confidence in Satan, building their hope in him; although I have been standing before everyone to see Me, few have taken notice; their leaders have grown cruel, and death awaits many nations through their hand; how much have I wept over you, creation! You whose life now will be streaming down in death; then when flames will lick like tongues your inhabitants, bursting in the air, I will ask this generation: where will you find relief? and in whom? in Satan? in your ego and self?

    the time has come to execute My Justice for the punishment of this faithless generation is at your doors; I will carry out My orders to the letter; when you will hear a thunderclap, My Voice will be heard, thundering in your ears, resounding to the very ends of the earth; then know that the world and all who live in it will hear the Voice of Justice: evil will bring death to many nations... ruin will creep up in every city;

    have you heard that 'the Angel of Yahweh will encircle cities and nations' calling everyone to repent? these are the things that will take place in the days to come;

    therefore, you who have entered My Courts and believed in My sayings, pray and do not dread or fear, but you who have jeered for endless years on My sayings, striking with your tongue My prophets, beware! for you have used lies to justify your lies, you have indeed buried My Words in your own tomb; yes, indeed, you have been twisting My Words; but your sins have created a gulf between you and Me; and now Justice will not be withheld; I tell you, bitter will be your coming days when I will confront you... pray and do not allow your eyelids to close down in sleep!

    here is how you should pray:

    "Yahweh, my God, let my prayer reach you,
    hear our cry of mercy and for help,
    forgive those who have no faith in You, my God,
    and no trust either in your power to save us;

    do not blast the lights out of our days,
    withering with it in a flash the earth;
    but in Your Fatherly Compassion,
    pity us, and forgive us;

    do not allow the evil one to shed our blood like water;
    forgive our guilt, repress Your anger,
    remembering our weakness;

    hold back Your angels of disaster,
    giving us one more chance to prove ourselves
    worthy of Your Kindness;

    I put my trust in You; amen"

    how gladly will I then receive this prayer; this prayer that will make Me relent! daughter, I will bless all those who will sincerely pray this prayer; let this prophecy be heard; 'the day and hour belong to Me, your God,' this is what you will tell to those who will ask you the time and hour of My Justice! Love loves you;

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  17. Mary's child

    Mary's child Archangels

    Oh most precious Mother, may your triumph come soon! May we all experience the fullness of conversion before the time of your son's Mercy ends. We pray for those known and unknown to us who have fallen off the path as you lead us towards the kingdom of our most truine God.
     
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  18. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    jackzokay, Thank you for posting this. I think it is a great read but I don't agree with the image that is painted of Vladimir Putin, this is just my opinion.

    The Queen of Peace at Medjugorje in 1981 told the young visionaries that – "Russia will come to glorify God the most, the West has made civilization progress, but without God and acts as if they are their own creator."

    I guess I see things happening a little differently than the author of the article does. I think that it is possible that if there is a huge war and much destruction, the Tribulation/Minor Chastisement, that the Russian people may be a little more prepared than the rest of the world to glorify God. With the a quick search I came across the following which is just one person's comparison of the USA and Russia, https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090717204807AAPO4Du

    I just don't think that the reason for this statement by the Queen of Peace will be because of Putin being on the right track in comparison to the leaders in the rest of the world. I simply think that Russians may be more prepared to be brought to their knees for Christ than the people of the rest of the world.
     
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  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    some great posts here much to pray about
     
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  20. Sam

    Sam Archangels



    "Russia will come to glorify God the most- I once was contemplating this statement in front of the Eucharist once. I was thinking, how wonderful this sounded. Suddenly I saw an ocean of blood pouring forth. I suddenly thought of Jesus' words after Judas left at the last supper, that Now is the Son of man glorified. How did Jesus glorify the father?

    And St. Peter


    * Amen, amen, I say to you,j when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, “Follow me.”

    Perhaps Russia will come to glorify God in a way we don't comprehend right now.
     
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