More Marie Julie Jahenny: Contenders Will Fight for the Crown .....Marie Julie revealed (November 1874): “King Henry V will march first. Jesus Christ will show him the road. He will come from the East and will go to the South. The friends of the King will march after him. Mary seems to say that three kings vie for the crown, that, in the end, will remain with the legitimate King....” (I believe that there are currently three contenders) Descendants of the ‘Murderous’ Orleans Family will Make a Claim: St. Michael (September 6, 1890): “There are still remnants of a family that also claims a place, a sceptre and a crown. But this race is not in the design of God, because its wickedness has been to make an innocent victim who gave his blood to keep his faith. It is Louis XVI, (and) that royal lady whose name is dear to France. (An explanation: The Duc d’Orleans became a traitor to the crown and supported the Revolutionaries, causing the deaths of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. Their descendants have a legitimate claim to the throne, but according to St. Michael, their race has displeased heaven and they shall never successfully claim the throne.)
Dolours, The above prophecy may confirm a conversion of Muslims occurring after an invasion of Turkey along with the Great Apostasy (2/3's go with this anti-pope)? So, since the church confirms that the 6th age ends with the Holy Pope, I guess we can assume that the Holy Pope dies right before the time of the AC, the pope after him is murdered and the next pope may need to go into hiding? This is conjecture on my part since I am trying to understand how this prophecy fits into the Ages of the Church. I found this link today which explains a sentence or 2 more about the AC from the tribe of Dan. This link also discusses many confusing end times topics that we are discussing on MOG. Many here may find it helpful, http://catholicism.org/false-prophets.html .
A CURIAL VERSION OF THE LAST EMPEROR A new king will come and will prostrate the whole world, To vanquish with horror of war the farthest region. He hastens from the high and craggy mountains, From an unhoped-for source, a mild man without guile. Poor in resources, rich in goodness, richest in his Bountiful understanding. Because of his merit God will be his seer. He will conquer the Sicilians and the evil tribe of the Savage Frederick. They will not be named any more. He will rebuild all the things which the harsh Frederick, His savage shoot, and its successor overthrew. Under the guidance of the pope he will put the Romans in sore straits; They will strengthen Rome and thus bear the burden. After that, by battle they will drag the followers of Mohammed to Christ. So that there will be one flock and one shepherd. You, my companions, have confidence that all these things Were revealed to me. Translated from 0. Halder-Egger, "ltalienische Prophetieen,"' Neues Archiv (1905), 30:383-84. This is an unapproved medieval prophecy but it has an intriguing provenance. It originates from an important circle of cardinals and their associates in the Roman curia, the Vatican, dominant under Gregory IX and still active to some degree under his successor, Innocent IV (1243-1254). At this time, the papacy was locked in a contest with the House of Hohenstaufen which controlled the Holy Roman Empire. The prophecy is ascribed to John of Toledo, the cardinal of Porto, a text probably dating from the 1260s. H. Grauert, "Meister Johann von Toledo," pp. 147-57, has seen this poem as reflecting the hopes of the English Cardinal John of Toledo for the imperial candidature of Richard of Cornwall - an Englishman - in the period after 1254. Topfer, Das kommende Reich des Friedens, pp. 182-84, on the other hand, associates it with the similar claims of Edmund Crouchback. Bernard McGinn, focusing upon the victory over the evil tribe of Frederick, argues that it seems to reflect the victories of Charles of Anjou in the 1260s. But no one really knows! In fact, Cardinal John may simply have claimed to have been granted a vision of an unspecified date in the future, which he related to the political landscape that he knew. Regardless, Cardinal John of Toledo prophesies the coming of a Great Monarch from a humble background - perhaps from Britain or France (where might "the high and craggy mountains" be?) who will be the opposite of Frederick in the sense that he will work in harmony with the papacy to spread the kingship of Christ over the heathen.
Unfortunately the Hildegard quote is yet another example of garbled transmission on the internet. I'm unaware of her ever referring to a "great ruler" who "exterminates the Turks" and of a cardinal from a Muslim background who murders a Pontiff before he is crowned. The reason for all of these erroneous attestations to St. Hildegard is her pre-eminence as a prophetess, which caused people from the fourteenth century onwards to attempt to attach their writings to her celebrity, since her name stood for unquestioned prophetic authority. The aforementioned text appears to be a badly garbled variant of the Auffarht Abend prophecy written by an unknown cleric at the turn of the fifteenth century and misattributed to Hildegard. It talks about the Turks, the sins of the cardinals etc. although not the specific information about a cardinal who was a convert from Islam. I have no idea where that originates from. If you go to the original source of this prophecy on the internet: http://www.unitypublishing.com/prophecy/AntichristbySaints.htm The remainder of the text is a generally accurate translation of Vision 10: 28 from St. Hildegard's Liber Divinorum Operum, which is about the figure of the Antichrist and the final persecution. So in other words, the author has stuck together a paragraph that did not come from St. Hildegard with paragraphs that did. Why I cannot say. From that same link, the following prophecy is wrongly attributed: St. Methodius of Olympus 250 - 311 "A time will come when the enemies of Christ will boast: "We have subjected the earth and all its inhabitants, and the Christians cannot escape our hands." Then a Roman Emperor will arise in great fury against them... Drawing his sword, he will fall upon the foes of Christianity and crush them. Then peace will reign on earth, and priests will be relieved of all their anxieties. St. Methodius never uttered this prophecy and it is historically untenable that he could have done so given that the "last world emperor" concept (i.e. Great Monarch) is not attested in Christian literature prior to the 7th century Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius. The author has mistaken the latter pseudopigraphical author for the third century saint and the translation of this later text is also a bit suspect. If you see any Great Monarch prophecies listed before the 7th century, they are all inaccurate. There is one possible exception, the fourth century Tiburtine Sibyl prophecy which might refer to a Last World Emperor in the fourth century, however the earliest Greek manuscripts lack this element and it is thought by many scholars to be a late Latin addition to the text from circa. 1000.
Thanks, Vouthon, for correcting that link I posted about St. Hildegard's prophecy. I thought it seemed strange at the time but it was the mention of Communism that didn't gel with me. I'm still glancing at this thread because I'm really interested in it. Although I won't have time this week to read your posts properly, I'm looking forward to reading through them all again next week. Please keep on sharing your knowledge. Do you know whether there's a reliable transcript of St. Hildegard's prophecies online and, if so, could you please provide a link?
Hi again Dolours, you're welcome! St. Hildegard's primary books dealing with apocalyptic and prophetic themes are The Scivias and her subsequent magnum opus The Book of Divine Works (Liber Divinorum Operum in Latin). A thorough translation of this latter book is currently in the works and will be completed by 2018. Currently, there is a partially complete but accurate translation which can be bought on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Hildegard-Bingens-Book-Divine-Works/dp/0939680351 The Scivias is available on Amazon in various translations, as are her Letters. Unfortunately, I am not aware of a reliable transcript of these texts online but I do know of three sources available on the internet which I reckon might be of interest to you, nonetheless. The first is a comprehensive series of chapter summaries (capitula) for every section of St. Hildegard's Liber Divinorum Operum, by far her most significant revelatory work and from which a good number of the prophecies I have referred to in this thread are extracted from: http://www.hildegard-society.org/p/liber-divinorum-operum.html The capitula were composed sometime in the decade after the work’s completion, likely by one of Hildegard’s close secretaries or aides: Their purpose was to introduce and frame the text, in order to prime and orient the audience for the challenging text they were about to read. They thus represent an initial reader's report of the work, executed under the auspices, if not the direct eyes, of Hildegard. There are some inaccuracies in these summaries but in substance they stand as a very detailed and commendable summary of this entire book, including the broad details of her prophecies. The second and third online resources, are complete transcripts of her entire collection of Letters, a good number of which contain prophecies. I'll need to go find these websites again but I will post links for you later today. Generally, you need to have a university access login (like an alumni account) to log into them and read the documents. I use my old university, for which I still have an account. If you don't have this, I could simply quote some of the letters here in their entirety for you to read when time permits.
Vouthon, At the bottom of a Wikipedia page about Saint Hildegard there is a section entitled external links, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen . Do you think that any of those would be an accurate source for her prophecies? They have two listed as Book of Divine Works, I and III, maybe book II can be found there also? Note: This maybe the same or similar to the link that you provided.
I haven't seen the Wikipedia page but if the source is given as her Book of Divine Works, then I would say that it should be accurate. Books I, II and III are indeed the three divisions of the text in which chapters long visions are described. So that's the correct sources! I would expect that its probably books that are reference though.
You're very kind, Vouthon, thank you. With the attention span of a gnat, I have the impression that to get full value from St. Hildegard's writings (or translations of her writings) I would need to have them to hand so I could read them more than once and maybe dip into them again from time to time. I'm thinking that if I buy a copy of the Scivias it could take me the rest of the year and probably into next year to read and understand it, by which time the new translation of the Book of Divine Wisdom should be available. Although I've heard of St. Hildegard, I don't know much about her and I'm interested in finding out more. Would you recommend reading the Scivias first and then progressing to her letters before reading the Book of Divine Works?
That's a good question, I would probably recommend reading some of her letters first. I will post the bulk of some of the relevant ones on this thread, when time permits. They are easier to digest for someone who is new to her writings, especially since they are written in a more down-to-earth, personalized tone. Actually, I would suggest that you buy the Book of Divine works translation on Amazon (it has sections missing but is overall very good) since it includes a selection of her letters as well in the appendix. If you acquire it, I'd be able to direct you to certain key bits - I know what chapters deal with prophecy, for instance, and which don't. The Scivias is a darker book - much bleaker and despite being her first work is probably the hardest to grasp, its also less developed than the Book of divine Works which has her mature prophetic programme. I would leave it last, after the Letters and Book of Divine works. But that's just my opinion!
Vouthon, That would be wonderful if you could post Saint Hildegard's prophecies here which are relevant to the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope. I skimmed through the books which I posted a link to and I believe there is nothing contained in them which applies. Thank you again.
If these are old out of print works a lot of them will probably be free on the internet. I found both The Scivias and The Book of Divine Works in just a couple of minutes. Most of the Catholic classic works of spirituality and the writings of the saints are online for free (just in case anyone didn't think of this ). Just make sure you are not downloading copyrighted materials
Thank you. I will buy the Book of Divine works and let you know when I have it. No point buying it this week because I won't have time to read it.
I found what I thought was the Book of Divine Works but I am not certain now. I should probably try again. I believe that it must state that is a translation of the book by Saint Hildegard. If you an provide a link or provide3 who the translation was done by that might be helpful, thank you. It still would be wonderful for someone to post what she states on this topic of the GM/HP, it would be helpful to many people I believe, TY.
I will post it tomorrow. I did actually quote a portion from one of her letters in respect of the GM earlier in the thread. She refers to him as "the Warrior", never as the GM. Have a look back and as I say tomorrow I'll post new segments. For just now, I'd like to provide folks here with a brief outline of St. Hildegard's theology of history that might make her works easier to interpret. In her Liber Divinorum Operum (Book of Divine Works), St. Hildegard of Bingen - whom Pope Benedict XVI declared a Doctor of the Church in 2012 - revised and expanded an earlier prophetic vision from her Scivias concerning five distinct future epochs between her own time in the twelfth century and the Eschaton, or End Times: all labelled, in veiled metaphors, under animal signs: (1) The Age of the Fiery Hound (2) The Age of the Yellow Lion (3) The Age of the Pale Horse (4) The Age of the Black Pig and (5) The Age of the Grey Wolf. Summarizing Hildegard's complete programme from the LDO into the form of a schedule, we get a detailed system of good and bad times to come--and much to come--before Antichrist. Below I rely on a summary of her periodization of the future formulated by the scholar Kathryn Kerby-Fullton: 1. Fiery Hound Description of Time Period: Time of spiritual weakness or "feminine debility" (tempus muliebre) --clergy are "perversi mercenarii" forerunners of Antichrist --both secular and spiritual leaders, simoniacs and heretics are corrupt --Church has fallen away from pristine apostolic discipline 2. Yellow Lion Description of Time Period: Time of chastisement and disendowment of Church and purgation through tribulation for all --"tempus utile" or "tempus virile" --renewal of spiritual strength revealed through prophecy, abundance and peace-- vision of church renewal, world unity in truth --conversion of pagans 3. Pale Horse Description of Time Period: Time of sorrows --Church polluted --persecution of Christians by heathens --Christians saved by miracle and conversion of heathens --Papacy and Empire dispersed --Church returns to pristine discipline --renewal of spiritual strength again revealed through prophecy, abundance and peace but also heresies cropping up everywhere in anticipation of the coming of Antichrist 4. Black Pig Description of Time Period: --Reign of heretics and forerunners of Antichrist --many Christians desert orthodoxy --moral decay and spiritual decline --signs of the End 5. Grey Wolf Description of Time Period: Antichrist's "ministry" --persecution of faithful and traditional eschatological events Death of Antichrist Second Coming and Last Judgement So there you have it, her basic model of the future from her vantage point in the 12th century. I'll expand on her outline later on with more details. Upon proclaiming Saint Hildegard of Bingen a "Doctor of the Church" in 2012, Pope Benedict XVI noted in respect of her legacy: http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedic...da-bingen.html APOSTOLIC LETTER Proclaiming Saint Hildegard of Bingen, professed nun of the Order of Saint Benedict, a Doctor of the Universal Church BENEDICTUS PP. XVI FOR PERPETUAL REMEMBRANCE 1. A “light for her people and her time”: in these words Blessed John Paul II, my Venerable Predecessor, described Saint Hildegard of Bingen in 1979, on the occasion of the eight-hundredth anniversary of the death of this German mystic. This great woman truly stands out crystal clear against the horizon of history for her holiness of life and the originality of her teaching. And, as with every authentic human and theological experience, her authority reaches far beyond the confines of a single epoch or society; despite the distance of time and culture, her thought has proven to be of lasting relevance... Hildegard’s teaching is considered eminent both for its depth, the correctness of its interpretation, and the originality of its views. The texts she produced are refreshing in their authentic “intellectual charity” and emphasize the power of penetration and comprehensiveness of her contemplation of the mystery of the Blessed Trinity, the Incarnation, the Church, humanity and nature as God’s creation, to be appreciated and respected. These works were born from a deep mystical experience and propose a perceptive reflection on the mystery of God... Theological reflection enabled Hildegard to organize and understand, at least in part, the content of her visions. In addition to books on theology and mysticism, she also authored works on medicine and natural sciences. Her letters are also numerous — about four hundred are extant; these were addressed to simple people, to religious communities, popes, bishops and the civil authorities of her time. She was also a composer of sacred music. The corpus of her writings, for their quantity, quality and variety of interests, is unmatched by any other female author of the Middle Ages. Her main writings are the Scivias, the Liber Vitae Meritorum and the Liber Divinorum Operum. They relate her visions and the task she received from the Lord to transcribe them... Thus, to the common wish of the People of God that Hildegard be officially canonized, was added the request that she be declared a “Doctor of the Universal Church”... I hereby decree the present Letter to be perpetually valid and fully effective, and I establish that from this moment anything to the contrary proposed by any person, of whatever authority, knowingly or unknowingly, is invalid and without force. Given in Rome, at Saint Peter’s, under the ring of the Fisherman, on 7 October 2012, in the eighth year of my Pontificate.
Here is the extract that I quoted earlier from St. Hildegard's letter to the clergy of Trier with reference to the GM or "Warrior" as she prefers to call him: "...Indeed, a Warrior will do this, who will consider in the beginning and end of his works how far he may resist the erring people. He will constitute prophets at first as the head, wisemen as the eyes, learned ones as the mouth ... that is, by the understanding of these he will explain prophecy. Then the princes will hang up their lutes and tambourines in hardship and sadness, in the same way as the sons of Israel did when they were captive (Psal. 136: lff). After this, all spiritual things will be strengthened without defect ... because the warrior will replenish the wholesomeness of the air and will bring forth the viridity of virtue..." (c. 257A-B) This is the Great Monarch. Unlike in the misattributed prophecies, in her actual ones St. Hildegard is far more vague and circumspect about the identity of the Monarch. It is his spiritual qualities and mission that she is concerned with - not his background. Venerable Holzhauser, a much later seventeenth century prophet, picks up this same theme about the Great Monarch gathering other princes (that is, world leaders) to the banner of his cause and renewing the Church after tribulation in his Commentary on the Book of Revelation: "...This is the second vision respecting the mighty monarch; the crown is that of the [restored] holy Roman Empire; the sickle in his hand, his unconquerable army... The second angel of the Lord is that great and holy Pope, who, moved by God, will cry out of the sanctuary of the church to that MIGHTY MONARCH, to root out the tares of wickedness, for the harvest is over-ripe; the measure of sins and abominations is overflowing. Instructed by a divine revelation, the HOLY POPE will, by communicating the same, stir up the hearts of princes to a common war; and God will touch the hearts of the soldiers, that, animated with one spirit, they all will adhere to the MIGHTY MONARCH..."
Vouthon, I did go back to it and I read it once again. I would like to make the following suggestion, that I think it might be a good idea, which is to start a thread about Saint Hildegard. A separate thread would be especially useful if much of what she wrote does not pertain to the Great Monarch like the above prophecy does. The little reading that I did about her today leaves me to believe that she has written on many subjects which the members here may be interested in but for the sake of organization a separate thread may be called for. Thank you for reposting that prophecy.
That is a good shout Carol! She does make other references to the GM that I will include in this thread when I get the chance but in general she refers to "princes" in the context of the period of peace, of which the GM is obviously the pre-eminent, who sanctify the Church and the world before the coming of Antichrist. The period of peace, nonetheless, she writes about in great detail - and this is the most important function of the GM and Holy Pope. As a Doctor of the Church, she also (along with St. Bonaventure and a few others such as St. Catherine of Sienna) has the most authority among the prophets who write on these topics.
