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The Great Monarch and the Holy Pope

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by Carol55, Jun 24, 2017.

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Do you believe in the prophecy of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Uncertain

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  1. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro New Member

    I read that he would be a descendant of the Merovingian and St. Louis IX kings, and other prophecies say that he lived on an island for some time, so I do not think it's either Trump or Putin.



    sorry for the translation errors
     
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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Richard,

    Your thoughts about the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope are interesting. I don't know who will fill these rolls but I have wondered about there being "types of the Two Witnesses" as you state here, but not for the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope. You reminded me of the following prophecy in which I think the new Pope is the Holy Pope,

    From Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich on 1/27/1822 "I saw a new Pope who will be very strict. He will estrange from him the cold and lukewarm bishops. He is not a Roman, but he is Italian. He comes from a place which is not very far from Rome, and I think he comes from a devout family of royal blood. But there must still be for a while much fighting and unrest."
    So if the new Pope in the above prophecy is the Holy Pope from Ven. Holzhauser prophecy of the 6th Age of the Church it is uncertain when the "The Era of Peace" really begins. I mean that this period of peace is probably not the length of the entire 6th Age of the Church. It appears that there will be fighting in the 6th Age of the Church and then eventually peace which will eventually end, I believe, in the reign of the AC. It does appear though that the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope will be reigning during this period of peace. The following prophecy is from Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser in which I believe that the Powerful Emperor and Strong Monarch refer to the Great Monarch,

    “THE SIXTH PERIOD of the church the (status consolationis)—time of “CONSOLATION” begins with the HOLY POPE and the POWERFUL EMPEROR, and terminates with the birth of Anti-christ. (Revelations, 3: 7, 10.)

    “This will be an age of solace, wherein God will console His church after the many mortifications and afflictions she had endured in the fifth period. For all nations will be brought to the unity of the true Catholic faith.

    “A type of this period was the sixth age of the old world, from the deliverance of the Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity, and the rebuilding of the city and of the temple of Jerusalem, down to the coming of Christ. As God gladdened His people by the rebuilding of the temple and of the holy city; as all kingdoms and nations were subjected to the Roman empire; and Caesar August, the most powerful and excellent monarch, after vanquishing all his enemies, gave for fifty-six years, peace to the world;

    so will God pour out upon His church, that witnessed in the fifth period nought be affliction, the most abundant consolations. But this happy age will be ushered in under the following circumstances. When all is desolated with war; when the church and the priests must pay taxes; when Catholics are oppressed by heretics, and their faithless fellow-religionists; when monarchs are murdered; subjects oppressed; when riches are extirpated; when every thing concurs to bring about the establishment of Republics; then will the hand of the Almighty produce a marvelous change, according to human notions seemingly impossible. For that STRONG MONARCH, will, as the envoy of the Almighty, root up these Republics. He will subject all things to himself, and will zealously assist the true Church of Christ. All heresies will be banished into hell; the Turkish empire will be overthrown to its foundations, and his dominion will extend from east to west. All nations will come, and will worship the Lord in the one true Catholic Faith. Many righteous men will (Beykirch, p. 140) flourish, and many learned men will arise. Men will love justice and righteousness, and peace will dwell on the whole earth. For the Omnipotent will bind Satan for many years, until the advent of him who is to come,–the son of perdition.


    “In respect to perfection, this period corresponds to the sixth day of creation, on which God created man after His own image, and subjected to him, as lord of creation, all creatures of the earth.

    So will man be now a true image of God, (in righteousness and holiness), and the STRONG MONARCH will rule over all nations.


    The sixth gift of the SPIRIT, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, will in this period be poured out upon the church; for men will fear the Lord their God, keep His commandments, and serve him with their whole heart. The scriptures will be understood after one uniform fashion, without contradiction and error, so that all will marvel they had so long misunderstood the clear sense of holy writ. The sciences will be multiplied and completed, and men will receive extraordinary illumination in natural, as well as divine knowledge.” (Beykirch, p. 27 – 29).
    PS - Time will tell what will happen in the future, I certainly cannot.

     
  3. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    "St. Bridget of Sweden identifies the Great Monarch as 'A son of man, the parnevu of the sea.' She was writing in the 1350’s before Columbus had set sail. I believe she's telling us about a man who comes from the 'new land' over the sea, America, which she would not yet have heard about. Yet she claims that he is a German Royal born in exile.

    (Did they call them immigrants in the 14th century? Trump's grandfather came from Germany.) Royal blood? Who's to say not?

    Most of the prophecies claim that he is either French, German, or Spanish origin. Why is it the prophecies of even great Saints/ Mystics do not agree on the details? One fault that many interpreters of prophecy commit is to get bogged down in the particulars so much so that they are unable to see the forest for the trees .We tend to forget the short prophecy is a telescopic view of the entire life biography of a person; all parts may not be evident at the time this person becomes known to us in general.

    [Who could say they would have recognized our Lord and Savior had they passed by the stable that day seeing the humble Virgin and child. Had you been a neighbor of Mary in Nazareth would you ever have guessed the destiny of the young boy as he worked alongside Joseph in the carpentry shop? Would you have been aware of his genealogy as we are now so easily by opening the Scriptures? ]

    I believe more important is what the prophecies tell us about the time in which we may expect the Great Monarch (GM) to appear and what he is supposed to do. We should not be obsessing over the details of his nationality, religion, etc. We should be debating whom among us is capable of doing these things..." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3451570/posts


    Putin's origins are also shrouded in mystery. It is said he is descended from the princes of the Tver region. If true, it would mean that he is related to European royalty. In some ways I think Putin is the best contender because there isn't another leader in the last 20 years who has done more to defend the rights of Christians at home and abroad or that has done more to stifle the plans of the Freemasons who run the Western Deep State, than Vladimir Putin.
     
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  4. Kevin Landry

    Kevin Landry New Member


    Luan, it has occurred to me, after studying such prophesies for over 20 years, that the Great Monarch is someone who has been an ideal repeatedly boxed into numerous corners because time and history future is always flexible, that is, the future can be changed depending on what is done now in its "past". It's like the saying "The future is determined by the character of those who shape it." If a person has no moral character, such as the extreme state of one who is responsible in some way for an abortion of a human being, their having destroyed a human life, obliterating the child's future, the person will very possibly end up losing at least their future of eternal life with God in the hereafter.

    But I am getting away from the point I felt I should make: Which is again simply that the future is flexible and so are such human figures whom we anticipate will enter on the scene of history in some manner of motion or imminent construction and formation, like the characters of people, moral or not, there being mitigating factors that can change this or that feature just as a mirror will reflect anything put in front of it in the light.

    There are actually so very many such factors of environment, ancestry, political systems, Church-State relations or conflicts that figures who are in different ways prophetically described as the Great Monarch can be variable and potentially changeable at all times... except in the past. That's why it might be possible to time travel to the past which was manifested and realized in reality, but there is no stable ground of substance for the future upon which to "land"or arrive.

    So in the meantime even meanings can change concerning what a figure is called or titled: If he is "great" then just what is it that makes him so? What is the criteria for defining his alleged and predicted "greatness"? If he is a Christian he would meet Jesus' criteria for determining "greatness", namely his disposition would be characterized as that of a servant or one who ministers to others in their various needs on various scales of potential, depending on his resources.

    So at one point prophetically gifted people of the past may have foreseen the Great Monarch "destroying" the Islamic sect in terms of physically destroying the people themselves; but suppose he was influential enough to lead Islamics en-masse into joining the Christian faith and so, merely "destroying" or eliminating that religion from the hearts and minds of people formerly disposed to it? The same word implying the "annihilation" of Islam could in fact mean two different things.

    This would not necessarily be something that an actual monarch or king would do unless again he is someone having the external trappings (such as signs of great wealth), presenting a picture of what we all too quickly envision of a king or person of royal ancestry and so of possibly regal bearing. Also, one prophesy from centuries past may predict that he will come from the east, but might that be eastern Canada? What says it HAS to be eastern Europe or Asia?

    I remember an amusing incident which depicts just how mistaken people can be if they rely on sources of prophetic insight which cannot be really accurately defined until certain actual events occur which were predicted but not fulfilled as some expect fulfillment: I have long suspected that a good number of years back there were people in Hollywood, including various film stars, including Lucille Ball, who heard that Hollywood psychics had predicted the next president's identity: It may have been that they used an Ouija board, which is a very spiritually dangerous device and which no Christian should ever employ.

    Let us consider that after the psychics asked for the answer as to who would be the next president of the USA, the "words" (so perceived) that were spelled out via the wicked weeja board said "Clint on": And so a bunch of Hollywood big names got together and decided to put on a big TV gala which would be for the benefit of, let us say, actor Clint Eastwood. And this actually happened as a probable effort of some such people trying to get a repeat of an election to the Presidency of another Hollywood film star, such as what Ronald Reagan once was before he was governor and then President. So during the gala event they arrange for Clint Eastwood to ride up on a white horse on a stage, and which was reminiscent of his cowboy movie days when he portrayed the dramatic hero of westerns and then modern crime shows.

    And so then after a lot of musical fanfare and applause Clint dismounted and walked over to meet with Lucille Ball and others who were standing there facing him, very flatteringly lauding and acclaiming him and his past as if he were some sort of war hero... But poor Clint was so tongue-tied and probably fully aware that he had not done anything which merited all this hyperbolic hullabaloo that he was consistently hesitant in his choice of words: So much so that Lucille Ball was visibly embarrassed, and it was pretty evident that Clint wasn't really political leadership material: A good actor yes. A politician, no! But the people who were running the show continued to pursue their goal of putting another cowboy in the White House, that is, to get Clint elected to the presidency.

    And so they eventually got him to run for mayor of a nearby Hollywood community, or whatever, you know, to work his way up in political office. But he flops as a mayor and by no means proves himself to be qualified for that office let alone President of the United States. And of course, as you may have guessed by now, what the Hollywood psychics really perceived of their source of the words "Clint on", which they thought meant "'Clint on the ballot", was simply the name "Clinton."

    Funny... I've already forgotten his first name. But now you know what can happen when morally mis-motivated people try to manipulate and control the powers that be.
     
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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I found the following online today, http://todayscatholicworld.com/bartholomew-holzhauser-catholic-prophecy-papacy.pdf . I thought that some here may be interested in reading it since it contains some of Ven. B. Holzhauser's prophecies including the 5th and 6th ages of the Church.

    The 5th age is the epoch that Ven. B. Holzhauser prophesized would proceed the age of the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope.

    Here is his prophecy about the 5th age of the Church which is contained in the above link:

    The fifth epoch, which commences with the birth of Protestantism, and wherein we still live, is the state of tribulation, (status affictionis.)

    “This,” says Holzhauser, “is a state of trouble, desolation, humiliation, and poverty for the church. We may with just reason call it a state of purification, in which the Lord Jesus Christ has sifted His wheat, and will sift it again by wars, by seditions, by famines, by epidemics, and other scourges, by the tribulation and the poverty which He will suffer to weigh on the Latin church, by means of heretics and bad Christians, who will take from her the greater part of her bishoprics and countless monasteries, especially the wealthier ones. She is oppressed even by Catholic princes, and despoiled by means of taxes, imposts, and other extortions; so that we may say, in groaning with the prophet Jeremiah, ‘The queen of nations hath been placed under the yoke.’ The church is become poor and miserable, because she hath been calumniated by heretics, because her ministers are despised by bad Christians, who render them neither honor nor respect. By all these means God will sift His wheat; He will cast the chaff away to be burnt, and will gather the wheat into His barns.

    This fifth state of the church is the state of tribulation, the state of apostasy, full of miseries of every kind. Few will be spared by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence. We shall see kingdom rise against kingdom; empires will be divided in themselves, and brought to desolation; principalities and monarchies will be overturned, and almost the whole world will sink into poverty. The greatest desolation will reign over the earth. All this hath in part been already accomplished (anno Domini 1656); a part remains yet to be accomplished. These things will come to pass by the very just judgment of God, because of the accumulated mass of our iniquities, whereof our fathers and ourselves have filled up the measure, at the moment when the mercy of Almighty God awaited our doing penance.

    The fifth day of creation, on which the earth brought forth birds, fishes, and beasts of the field, is a type of this epoch, wherein men, like to the birds of the air and the fishes of the water, give themselves up to license, sink to the level of the brute, and wallow in lust. In this lamentable state of the church divine and human laws are without force, and made of light account; the doctrines and precepts of the church are despised; ecclesiastical discipline is not better observed by the priests, than political order is maintained by the people. Every one, like the beasts of the field, believes what he pleases, and doth what he wills.

    “The correspondence of this period with the fifth age of the ancient world, from Solomon down to the Babylonian captivity, is extremely striking. Then Israel fell into idolatry, and Judah and Benjamin were alone true to the covenant. So in the times we speak of, a large portion of the Catholic population has fallen away from the true church; while a small number only of good Christians has survived. The Jewish state was then ruined, and was harassed and oppressed by heathens; so also has the holy Roman empire of Germany been ravaged and dismembered by the neighboring nations.

    “To this age has been accorded the gift of counsel; for counsel did the church need in order to counteract such fearful calamities, and to uphold the Catholic faith. This gift of counsel was revealed in the Council of Trent, in the institution of the Society of Jesus, by whose exertions, learning, and sanctity, the Catholic faith and the church throughout Europe, were rescued from destruction.

    “A type of this epoch is the Church of Sardis—a word that signifieth the beginning of beauty; for the calamities of this period will be the beginning of a better time. Divine providence hath wisely ordained that the church which He will cause to endure unto the end of the world, should be moistened from time to time with the waters of tribulation, as the gardener watered his garden in the time of drought.” —Beykirch, pp. 21-3.
     
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  6. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Archangels

    I realize I am a little late in adding my amazement at your ability to sort through so much information, remember what you read, and discern what to discard and what to keep. I'm just so happy we have you here!
     
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  7. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    RE: return of various monarchies....another one with aspirations for this:

    Century after revolution, some Russians crave return of tsar

    Moscow (AFP) - Mikhail Ustinov's ancestors were executed in 1917 for supporting the tsar but a hundred years later the 68-year-old yearns for the return of monarchy to Russia.

    "Russians are monarchists in their soul, even though the Soviets tried to destroy our soul," Ustinov, who is a self-proclaimed spokesman for the Moscow monarchist community, told AFP in his small apartment on the outskirts of the Russian capital.

    Since the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ustinov has dressed in stylized military fatigues in a nod to the officers of the Tsarist army who were fiercely loyal to the monarch and heavily persecuted after the October Revolution.

    Executed with his wife and children by the Bolsheviks in 1918, the last Russian tsar Nicholas II was rehabilitated and buried in Saint-Petersburg in 1998 and canonised in 2000 by the Orthodox Church.

    "I want to die wearing my uniform and declaring love for the tsar, like my grandfather, great-grandfather and all of my family," said Ustinov, a portrait of Nicholas II behind him.

    Ustinov said his family was decimated during the revolution, which he calls a "coup d'etat."

    More than 28 percent of Russians are in favour of the country becoming a monarchy again one day, according to a study by VTsIOM, a state pollster, released in March. That figure increased from 22 percent in 2006.

    Monarchy sympathisers are especially prevalent among the younger generation: 33 percent among those between 18 and 24 years old and 35 percent of 25-34 year-olds.

    "We see clearly that the 'Soviet' generations resist this idea more than the younger people, for whom monarchy is one possible system of governance," said sociologist Stepan Lvov who helped organise the poll.

    "It's as if the Soviet vaccine doesn't work on them," he added.



    More: https://www.yahoo.com/news/century-revolution-russians-crave-return-tsar-033659200.html
     
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  8. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Before the 1917 hijacking of Christian Russia by atheist, Jewish, anti-Christian revolutionaries, Russia was ruled by Christian Kings (aka Czars). In fact, at the time of the 1917 Bolshevik revolution, Russia was perhaps the last Christian monarchy in Europe. All the rest had been slowly but surely toppled by Freemasons. Russia was the last one standing. Now we know why Our Lady of Fatima singled out Russia in her 1917 apparition at Fatima. Russians need not look or wish for the return of the King. He's there already, and although Putin doesn't call himself a Czar, he rules like one - much to the consternation of the Freemasons who control the Western Deep State.
     
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