The final solution for the problem...

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Basto, Jun 27, 2024.

  1. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I can't say how things will happen, but it seems like the advance of Russia will be contingent on the collapse of western nations.
     
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  2. Aviso.

    Aviso. Principalities

    My Friends for your onw information, I was the first via Father Gruner and Malachi Martin to talk online about Kiev and Russia related to the Fatima 3rd Secret, the Lord did not said that Kiev will convert the World but Russia only, our good friend Basto who was closed to me with Mac and so on years ago, he is today a Pupet of Jelinsky only, nothing else I am sorry but this is it, de facto trust me, thank you.
     
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  3. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Yes brother, you have always been de facto the first, the only one, the best, the main, the greatest of all and especially the one who has a permanent need to say this all the time. But the question here is what does it matter fot this thread? If you have something to add or discuss, do it objectively and constructively, you don't need to say so many times how good you are and you don't need to insult anyone.

    May our Lady of Garabandal help you to ward off all this senseless pride and hatred that destroys your soul. God bless.
     
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  4. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    In Hurshiv Our Lady specifically tells us that Ukraine helps in the conversion of Russia. Our Lady also asked for everyone's prayers for the conversion of Russia. Is Ukraine not part of the world?

    I will add that I only trust what you can prove.
     
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  5. Byron

    Byron Powers

    All can get mitigated by the Rosary. Let’s not forget Lepanto.
     
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  6. Replying in case this is edited again, it won't change what's quoted.
     
  7. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    What was said in Garabandal, which is not different from what was said in Fatima, is that Russia will be the instrument used by God to punish the world – primarily Europe and the USA in the prophecies of Sister Elena Aiello. Throughout the history of ancient Israel, God raised up enemy empires of the Jewish nation to punish their unbelief and idolatry: Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt were some examples of this. Russia is predestined for this role, as reminded by Malachi Martin. In the case of Kiev, which he also mentioned, it seems that this is related to the country's Eastern spirituality, which serves as a bridge for connection with the Orthodox without abandoning devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Holy Rosary, which still face restrictions in Russia along with Catholic apostolate.
     
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    Luan Ribeiro Powers

  9. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Well said. This is an excellent summation of what Basto is pointing out IMO.
    Good point, it would be easier for the Russian orthodox church to convert through an eastern orthodox Catholic church than through the latin Catholic church.
     
  10. InVeritatem

    InVeritatem Archangels

    I get ye now. Light bulb goes on. So the papal 'preference' for the Russian Orthodox over the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which strays into papal secrets is seemingly, unwittingly co-operating in God's plan for the the conversion of Russia and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    May God's Holy Will be done.
     
  11. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    I am not sure if this is the right place for posting this video. Please feel free to move it to somewhere more suitable.

    In this video, the SSPX explain the 'recognise and resist' ('R&R') position. In other words, how to neither become a schismatic nor a heretic. I have watched it from the 24 minute-mark, to save time. From 24 minutes onwards, the gist of the information is provided.

    On reflection, I find R&R quite convincing, based on prudence. R&R entails recognising Pope Francis as Pope but resisting the errors of him and the other Vatican prelates.

    I am still taking in all the information after having read Archbishop Vigano's latest statement, which presented a position of sedevacantism. Perhaps, on reflection, R&R is more prudent. I am not sure. Keen to hear the thoughts of all here. God bless you all!

     
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  12. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I personally believe that what is happening in the church is also part of the chastisement. I watched a video last night where Sam Shamoun expressly stated that when God is angry he takes away His Word from His people, and used scripture to prove it. So I would add repent and endure to "recognize and resist".
     
  13. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    Yes, I agree, there is a spiritual and a physical part of the chastisement, according to Fr. Malachi Martin's prognosis in the 1990ies, based on his reading of the Third Secret of Fatima. The spiritual chastisement has to do with a pope under the control of the devil, if I recall Fr. Martin's statements correctly. The physical chastisement has to do with Kiev and Russia. We are seeing both.
    I agree, we should repent and endure, in addition to recognise and resist. This was also made clear on 6 October 2019, when Sr. Agnes Sasagawa spoke up again after decades of public silence. She said "the same angel that appeared to me 46 years ago appeared to me again and said: 'Tell the world to put on ashes and pray a penitential Rosary daily'." Sr. Sasagawa is the seer of Akita, an approved Marian apparition of 1971 that came with visible miracles of a weeping statue and furthers the message of Fatima. To put on ashes refers to the warning of Nineveh, and points to repent and endure.
    What a great pain and a great joy at the same it is to live in these end times! God bless all here.
     
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  14. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I currently suspect that these chastisements are going to get worse and more global. However, like you, I find it exciting, in that after the chastisements amazing things are going to happen. So this is where I focus my energy. I can't fight against the Hand of God, so I don't focus there.

    It's like knowing I am going to get a spanking from my Father, of 10 swats, for something that I deserve. So I count down the swats, enduring the spanking, knowing my freedom is soon at hand.
     
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  15. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    As I was praying this morning, the revelation 12 sign in the stars flashed in my mind. The one that happened in 2017, and now it is 2024. I have also been studying the 70 weeks of 7 years in the book of Daniel, listening to the exegesis from Sam Shamoun. Sam suggests that the 70 weeks concluded with the destruction of the second temple. But I disagree for two reasons. The first being that it says in Daniel 9 that all prophecy will be fulfilled, and since the book of Isaiah was already written, clearly this isn't the case. But also because Jesus died precisely at the conclusion of the first 69 weeks, leaving one week of seven years. But the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, 37 years after the death of Jesus, which is clearly more than 7 years.

    Half way through the seven years, from the time of the sign in the stars, we had Covid. I don't have a clear mind on this, and have to investigate further. But I am thinking it is possible we are closer to the events leading up to Revelation 20:7-10 than I previously thought.
     
  16. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Didn't covid restrictions happen 3.5 years after the sign in heaven? Which would correspond with the 1260 days in revelation 12:6. Which would be half way through the seven years. This could have been the abomination of desolation where the churches shut down, and the host was taken away. Which would correspond with the beginning of Isaiah 3. It corresponds with march of 2021, roughly the time when covid restrictions began.
     
  17. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    So I dove into Matthew 24, because this is where Jesus speaks about the prophecy of Daniel and the end times. I got some insights, so if there is anything good praise be God for them, anything wrong attribute to my stupidity.

    Matthew 24
    1 And coming out from the temple, Jesus was going along, and His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 And He answered and said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”
    - Here Jesus prophecies the destruction of the 2nd temple.

    3 Now as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
    - End of the age refers the end times. Not to a time ending with the destruction of the 2nd temple.

    4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.
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    We have seen over the years people imitating Christ and deceiving people. We have seem weird cults led by a people claiming to be Christ.
    - We have seen wars and rumors of wars. We have seen nation rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. The message of Akita also follows this style of writing, cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.
    - We have seen the conditions set up for famines. In some instances we have seen famines.
    - We have seen a rise in earthquakes.

    9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
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    Could the tribulation, or part of the tribulation, have been Covid? Could the injections have been a secret way of killing Christians and Christianity? Any nation that implemented vaccines clearly hate their people, and likely hate Christians.

    10 And at that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
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    The above absolutely happened during covid. Many have fallen away from the church before Covid, but the drop after Covid is incredible. I still haven't seen the church recover from it. As well, many people hated each other in regards to the vaccine. The pro-vaccine side also betrayed the non-vaccine side massively.

    11 Many false prophets will arise and will deceive many.
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    We have seen the rise of islam and the prophet muhammad. But also things like the mormons and LDS with weird prophets.

    12 And because lawlessness is multiplied, most people’s love will grow cold.
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    This absolutely has been happening for awhile now, but intensified after covid.

    13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in the whole world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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    With the age of the internet, the gospels are now world wide and free.

    15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
    - We saw the pachamama October 25, 2019, 6 months later covid restrictions came in and the churches were desolate. There were reports of covid around the time of the pachamama event, and the two coincided with each other. So I think that covid and pachamama are the abomination that causes desolation. Also, supposedly covid was manufactured which would make it an abomination.

    16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his garment.
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    This I believe is an allusion to Lot's wife turning back and turning into a pillar of salt, as they were fleeing to the mountains. As it says in Genesis 19:17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!” Jesus seems to be indicating that at this point it is time for people to make themselves scarce, because destruction is coming. With the vaccines a lot of destruction did come. Someone else might have a better interpretation of this, but it is clear to me that Jesus is referring to Genesis 19:17.

    19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!

    - How many people had miscarriages because of the vaccine, and how many babies died after their mothers took the vaccine and had poisoned milk. This for me makes so much sense, I don't know how many people made this connection before, but it is the first time I have encountered it, praise be to God.

    This is as far as I have gotten, perhaps some of you have better interpretations. Or can add to this, or have reasons why what I posted is complete garbage. I am open to all of it. I am only seeking truth here.
     
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  18. Basto

    Basto Powers

    Eastern Catholic Perspective on Fatima:
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    There is a case to be made that your reading runs close to our recent events. But its very hard to be sure. It could be a rehearsal for the actual fulfillment. I thought immediately upon hearing of pachamama that it was the abomination of desolation in the holy place. And events flowed swiftly upon it. But still I guess we must watch and pray. ( Fr Murr also thought pachamama was a hugely significant event. A line being crossed.)
     
  20. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Many of the things I wrote have been pointed out by many before. But in relation to verse 19, I never heard this anywhere before, and what happened with pregnant women and lactating woman fits perfectly. The reason I posted it is because I think it is very possible that we have already crossed over many things mentioned in Revelation. While what we went through could have been a rehearsal for something in the future, it may not be. Especially given the current state of the world and around Israel. If you look at revelation 20:7-9, it lines up with where we are. The 4 corners of the world are already fighting a proxy war in Ukraine, they are fighting financially, and it looks like a proxy war around Israel is being set up.

    I think when it comes to revelation, we are looking for things to be way worse, which allows for certain things to be overlooked. Meanwhile it could be more subtle. For example, let's say the vaccine was the mark of the beast, the first bowl which is poured out in Revelation 16:2 makes a lot of sense because they get sores. Many people worshiped the governments and world health organization during the pandemic.
     
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