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North Korea and Iran Threat Updates

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Carol55, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wo...m-Jong-un-Donald-Trump-Juche-Bird-Test-Threat

    North Korea’s dreaded Juche Bird nuke missile CONFIRMED: US admit ‘Kim is going to do it’
    NORTH Korea’s threat to explode a H-bomb over the Pacific in an unprecedented show of force is being taken seriously, the US has admitted.
    By Henry Holloway / Published 1st November 2017
    Former military official warns North Korea war increasingly likely
    Kim Jong-un is feared to be on the verge of launching the dreaded "Juche Bird” missile – a live nuclear warhead strapped to an ICBM.

    US officials now have said they believe the threats to launch should be taken seriously as tensions rage between Pyongyang and Washington.

    North Korea suffered a disaster at its underground nuclear base, it emerged yesterday.

    And there are now fears Kim may have no choice but to fire the Juche Bird.

    Pyongyang’s top diplomats announced plans for test after a fiery clash with US President Donald Trump at the UN – and followed it up with a promise it should be taken “literally”.

    [​IMG]GETTY

    JUCHE BIRD: US officials have admitted they believe Kim will attempt to launch the weapon
    Inside North Korea: The pictures Kim Jong-un doesn't want you to see
    Since 2008, photographer Eric Lafforgue ventured to North Korea six times. Thanks to digital memory cards, he was able to save photos that was forbidden to take inside the segregated state

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    [​IMG]Eric Lafforgue/Exclusivepix Medi
    “I would fully expect if he‘s telling us he’ll do it, he’s going to”

    US military official
    US officials believe North Korea’s bluster about the test is a way to reduce the chance of military action when they carry it out.

    The Pentagon is now closely monitoring the rogue state amid fears of an imminent launch.

    Back in 2006, Kim’s dad Kim Jong-il announced he was planning to detonate the nation’s first nuclear bomb the week before.

    [​IMG]GETTY

    BIG BOSS: Kim Jong-un has promised to launch an H-bomb into the Pacific Ocean
    Eerie look inside North Korea's capital city Pyongyang
    [​IMG]GETTY

    NUCLEAR WAR: North Korea is determined to obtain nukes to strike the US
    “I would fully expect if he‘s telling us he’ll do it, he’s going to,” an unnamed US official said, reports Defense News.

    The official was briefing reporters who were travelling with the US’s top commander General Joseph Dunford.

    Kim’s missile would fly from the nation’s eastern coast – hurtling over Japan – before flying out into the central Pacific.

    Trump shows NO FEAR: USS Ronald Reagan leads massive drill near North Korea
    The U.S. Navy is conducting joint drills with South Korea navy in a show of sea and air power designed to warn off North Korea from any military action. Including the deployment of USS Ronald Reagan, a 100,000-ton nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

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    [​IMG]REUTERS
    Analysts dubbed the North Korean weapon the Juche Bird in an echo of the America’s only ballistic missile launch with a nuclear warhead - the Frigate Bird.

    Kim may try to mirror what his old ally China did to prove its nuke to might to the US, as Beijing detonated a missile mounted warhead over the Pacific in 1966.

    The “Juche Bird” would be the ultimate provocation of the West and would be an unprecedented step by North Korea that could spark World War 3.

    [​IMG]GETTY

    AIR POWER: US bombers swooped over the Pacific this week ahead of Trump's arrival in Asia
    North Korea has been silent since September 15 – not firing any missiles or detonating any nuclear weapons.

    At least 200 workers are reported to have died a collapse at nuke base Punggye-ri just days after Kim detonated his H-bomb.

    US forces are flooding into the Pacific ahead of Donald Trump’s visit to the Asia starting later this week – with North Korea expected to top the agenda.

    Kim Jong Un celebrates explosion of hydrogen bomb
    How North Korea sees America: GRUESOME art depicts Americans murdering Koreans

    The shocking paintings depicts the alleged crimes American soldiers carried out on Koreans during the Korean War

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    [​IMG]News Dog Media
    Tensions have risen this year as Trump and Kim engaged in a fiery war of words over North Korea’s quest for ICBM.

    The US President branded Kim a “rocket man on a suicide mission”, while the North Korean supreme leader slammed him as a “mentally ill dotard”.

    US Air Force B2 bombers flew over the Pacific this week in a major show of strength amid growing war fears.

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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Brian, Thank you for posting this and helping to keep us up to date.

    I think we should "up" our prayers for President Trump as he will be traveling to Asia in a couple of days, his trip runs from Nov. 3rd - 14th. To be quite honest, I have a very bad feeling about this trip. http://globalnation.inquirer.net/161328/donald-trump-goes-asia-look
     
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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Dittos. Very bad.
     
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  4. Mmary

    Mmary New Member

    Especially when you add the Antifa threats for that date and an EMP blackout drill being held by the US military on that date!
     
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  5. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-...-warns-military-will-react-any-sign-u-n816756

    North Korea Defector Warns Military Will React to Any Sign of U.S. Attack
    by Alexander SmithNov 2 2017, 8:46 am ET
    North Korean military officers have been trained to trigger a devastating counterstrike if their country is attacked by the United States, according to a high-profile defector.

    Former North Korean diplomat Thae Yong Ho's comments to U.S. lawmakers suggest that military action on the Korean peninsula — a course of action repeatedly raised by President Donald Trump — would almost certainly result in a catastrophic number of civilian casualties.

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    Thae Yong Ho Reuters file
    "North Korean officers are trained to press the button without any further instructions from the general command if something happens on their side," Thae said Wednesday. "So if there is any sound of fire or bombs or strikes from Americans, the [North Korean] artillery and short-range missiles will fire against South Korea."

    A key U.S. ally, South Korea is home to more than 50 million people. Some 28,000 American troops are stationed in the country. Seoul, its capital, is just 30 miles from the North Korean border and in range of thousands of artillery pieces that are trained on the city.

    Thae fled his post as deputy North Korean ambassador in London last year and has spent his time since publicly criticizing the regime from his new home in the South.

    In an exclusive interview to NBC News in April, Thae warned that Kim Jong Un was prepared to use nuclear weapons against the U.S. The North Korean dictator has not yet displayed such a capability.

    However, North Korea has conducted several ballistic missile tests this year in defiance of U.N. resolutions, including two intercontinental ballistic missile tests that experts said suggest that a missile could reach parts of the United States.

    The U.S. and South Korea are technically still at war with North Korea because the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended with a truce and not a peace treaty.

    On Wednesday, Thae told House Foreign Affairs Committee that the human rights abuses committed by his homeland, which is governed by one of the most repressive states on the planet, were "tantamount to the crimes committed by the Nazis."



    Read the rest at the link
     
  6. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Hi Brian
    N Korea has recently decided to launch more satellites. Do you know if these satellites could carry miniaturised warheads and facilitate an EMP attack? Some months ago N Korea warned the USA to be worried about “their kind of nuclear war.” Do you think this could be EMP?
     
  7. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    Yes. Definitely.
     
  8. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

  9. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/04/trump-asia-trip-north-korea-244541

    U.S. officials fear North Korea will greet Trump with missile test
    11/04/2017 07:14 AM EDT
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    Concerns are high that Kim Jong Un might conduct a ballistic missile test — or even an atmospheric nuclear test — during President Donald Trump’s visit to Japan or South Korea, and that Trump would respond by escalating rather than defusing tensions. | Evan Vucci/AP Photo

    White House officials and Asian leaders are worried that North Korea may provoke a crisis in an effort to throw President Donald Trump’s trip to the region off script.

    Their concern is that North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong Un, might conduct a ballistic missile test — or even a far more shocking atmospheric nuclear test — during Trump’s visit to Japan or South Korea, and that Trump would respond by escalating rather than defusing tensions.

    Story Continued Below

    Trump has met Kim’s recent provocations with growing anger, including his August threat to unleash “fire and fury” against the North.

    Read the rest at the link
     
  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Possibly soon, unfortunately.

    The President will be in Seoul on 11/7 election day. Prayers for him, prayers for the world.
     
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  11. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    In Garabandal Mary said repeatedly that there would be no WWIII....not in the way of WWI and WWII. There will be theatres of war and maybe even the use of nuclear weapons but no world war.
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Joe, Yes, I think that the it all fits.
     
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  13. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Again since this news indirectly involves Iran, I am posting it here:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...sile-saudi-arabia-riyadh-171104180946302.html
    Yemen's Houthis fire missile at Saudi Arabia's Riyadh
    Saudi security official says missile fired from Yemen intercepted near the capital's King Khalid International Airport.
    by Faisal Edroos November 4, 2017

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    Over 10,000 have died since Saudi Arabia intervened in Yemen's war [Courtesy of Al Masirah]
    more on Saudi Arabia
    Yemen's Houthi rebels have claimed responsibility for a loud explosion in Riyadh, saying they fired a long-range ballistic missile that travelled more than 800km over the border with Saudi Arabia.

    A spokesman for the rebels told Al Jazeera they launched a Burkan 2-H missile - a Scud-type missile with a range of more than 800km - towards Riyadh late on Saturday.

    "The capital cities of countries that continually shell us, targeting innocent civilians, will not be spared from our missiles," the spokesman said.

    Al Masirah, a TV network run by the Houthi rebels, also claimed responsibility for the attack on their social media account.

    Videos on social media showed smoke rising from an area near Riyadh's King Khalid International Airport.

    The official Saudi news agency SPA quoted Colonel Turki al-Maliki as saying that at exactly 8:07pm local time(1707 GMT), a ballistic missile was fired from Yemeni territory towards the kingdom.

    Maliki said Saudi forces used a surface-to-air Patriot missile to destroy the missile which shattered into fragments in an uninhabited area east of the airport.

    He added that there were no reported casualties.

    Al Jazeera could not independently verify the reports.

    In an interview to Al Jazeera earlier this month, Mohammed Abdul Salam, a spokesman for the Houthi rebels, threatened to to escalate operations on the Yemen-Saudi border and target deep inside the kingdom.

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    "The Saudis started the war. Our response will continue and increase, whether it's targeting deep inside Saudi Arabia, targeting military positions where Saudi jets fly from or military bases inside Yemeni territory," Abdul Salam said.

    "Abu Dhabi and others that target Yemen, are as far as we're concerned - a fair military target. Any country that targets Yemen will be struck by our missiles."

    The war in Yemen, the region's poorest country, started in 2014 after Houthi rebels seized control of the capital Sanaa and began pushing south towards the country's third-biggest city, Aden.

    Concerned by the rise of the Houthi rebels, believed to be backed by regional rival Iran, Saudi Arabia and a coalition of Sunni Arab states launched an intervention in 2015 in the form of a massive air campaign aimed at reinstalling President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi's government.

    Since then, more than 10,000 people have been killed and at least 40,000 wounded, mostly from Saudi-led air strikes.
     
  14. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Anyone catch the speech Pres. Trump just made to the troops in Japan? It is sooooo great to have a Chief who truly honors the sacrifices of our armed forces and their families. We can live our dreams because they are willing to give their lives for us and what we should stand for.

    This trip of the President should be another one so very interesting and amazing to watch. He's making history in this "instant"!! May God go and be with him and his wife, Melania. May he do God's will for us and the world. May he help to mitigate the due judgement of the world for these times. May we pray as well for this mitigation of what is coming nonetheless.
     
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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I agree.

    But

    In my opinion WW1 was not even a world war. 32 countries were involved. They called it the Great War at the time and that is probably a better description.
     
  16. BrianK

    BrianK Resident Kook, Crank, Curmudgeon - & Mod Staff Member

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wo...-Nuclear-Missile-Bombers-Warships-Kim-Jong-un

    North Korea SURROUNDED: US warships, bombers, missiles and 80,000 soldiers READY
    NORTH Korea is nearly totally surrounded by a wall of US warships, bombers and missiles with more than 80,000 soldiers on alert as Donald Trump heads for Asia.
    By Henry Holloway / Published 6th November 2017
    Trump: No dictator should underestimate the American resolve
    The US President is jetting into the Pacific this week for a whistle-stop tour of the nations surrounding North Korea.

    Trump will be popping in for one-on-one meetings with the leaders of China, South Korea and Japan – with Kim Jong-un’s nukes right at the top of the agenda.

    At his back with be a the world’s biggest military war machine – poised to strike should the crisis go south with North Korea.

    He visited the US Pacific Command just days ago – who will oversee every single vessel, plane and soldier sitting in a ring of steel around Kim.

    Daily Star Online can now reveal the monstrous arsenal at Trump’s fingertips as he faces down North Korea.

    [​IMG]GETTY

    RING OF STEEL: US forces are fast surrounding North Korea as they pour into the Pacific
    North Korea is SURROUNDED: US arsenal on alert in Pacific for Tump
    Donald Trump is set to begin a 12-day tour through Asia, as the threat of the North Korea’s nuclear program continues. The President will travel to Japan, South Korea, Vietnam and the Philippines as well as China.

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    [​IMG]UIG via Getty Images
    “Ready to fight tonight”

    US Navy
    US forces have been packing into the region as the tensions are set to snap with North Korea over its quest for ICBM.

    Three US aircraft carriers are currently operating in the Pacific in an colossal flex of Trump’s military biceps.

    USS Nimitz, USS Theodore Roosevelt and USS Ronald Reagan became the first trio of carriers to operate in the region for a decade.

    [​IMG]GETTY

    STRIKE GROUP: The US Navy is by far the fighting oceanic fighting force in the world
    Russia fires HUGE missile during extensive military drills
    [​IMG]GETTY

    BUNKBUSTER: US B-2 bombers are stationed in Guam along with an arsenal of other planes
    Each of these three warship bring with it a fully stocked wing of up to 90 warplanes and choppers.

    While steaming alongside are their escorts of destroyers and submarines making up the US’s mighty carrier strike groups.

    The US’s 7th Fleet has its headquarters in Japan – and brings up to 70 ships and submarines under its command, including 14 missile-packed destroyers.

    Inside North Korea: The pictures Kim Jong-un doesn't want you to see
    Since 2008, photographer Eric Lafforgue ventured to North Korea six times. Thanks to digital memory cards, he was able to save photos that was forbidden to take inside the segregated state

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    [​IMG]Eric Lafforgue/Exclusivepix Medi
    Just this week, a squadron of 12 F-35 fighter planes screamed over the Pacific and landed at their new base in Japan.

    More than 100 bases are scattered across the islands, with around 50,000 servicemen stationed there.

    Meanwhile, right on Kim’s doorstep there are more than 30,000 US soldiers stations in bases in South Korea.

    More than 300 tanks are stationed just a stone’s throw from North Korea, along with armoured vehicles and artillery.

    [​IMG]DS

    NUCLEAR WAR: The US would strike known missile and nuclear sites on the dawn of war with Kim
    And then there is the thorn in Kim's side Guam, which he regularly threatened to launch missiles at.

    The island paradise hides the US’s fleet of nuclear-capable B-2 bombers, as well bunk busting B-1B Lancers.

    Colossal B-52 Stratofortress warplanes also can bee seen rolling around Andersen Air Force Base.

    Each of these is capable of carrying 70,000lbs of bombs and 20 cruise missiles.

    Donald Trump predicted North Korea threat two DECADES ago
    How North Korea sees America: GRUESOME art depicts Americans murdering Koreans

    The shocking paintings depicts the alleged crimes American soldiers carried out on Koreans during the Korean War

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    [​IMG]News Dog Media
    Tensions have reached new heights as Trump makes his first ever visit to Asia – with Kim threatening to fire the “Juche Bird”.

    The missile would fly a live nuclear warhead into the heart of the Pacific and explode, a provocation that could start World War 3.

    Trump will be in Asia until November 13 – finishing his tour with trips to Vietnam and the Philippines.

    Related articles
     
  17. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I believe that Bruno Cornnachiola's visions were from heaven and this video helps explain what can happen in regards to war
    if men do not convert and repent,



    At @ the 24:55 min mark Father Wolfe states Our Lady stated,


    "November 10th, 1973, Bruno, the Israelis and the Arabs are coming to an agreement but it will always be a forced agreement and it will always be a powder keg with fire nearby and one day it will ignite and blow up everything ruining the whole world and all living things."

    The above prophecy was given to Bruno a few days after the
    United Nations Security Council Resolution 339 was adopted.

    Included in the video is the following prophecy,

    On 12 March 1983, Our Lady of Revelation tells Cornacchiola:

    "The danger is at the door, a nuclear war, if you act as I have said, it is inevitable"
    [...] “I speak to all, the atomic is ready, men without conscience threaten to use it, and the danger is closer than you think" (op. Cit., P. 223). http://www.jesusmariasite.org/globa...asy-invasion-of-italy-destruction-in-vatican/

    Also in the above video at 26:05min mark, Father Wolfe states that the above prophecy from Our Lady continues with,

    "call it Apocalpyse but it will occur if you do not convert, there will be no bomb shelters to save you, take refuge in the church..."
    __________________________________________________________________
    In the final paragraph of the following article which is contained in the next post, it states that CNN believes that is possible that the Saudis may engage in "literal warfare" with Iran.


    http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...tic-transformation-continues-weekend-arrests/
    Saudi Arabia’s Dramatic Transformation Continues with Weekend Arrests
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    AFP
    by John Hayward6 Nov 20170

    The sweeping arrests of dozens of Saudi businessmen, officials, and even royalty on Saturday – culminating in the arrest of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who is all three, and one of the richest men in the world – is one of the most dramatic events in the Kingdom’s modern history.

    It is a clear sign of power consolidating around Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, upon whom a great deal of President Donald Trump’s Middle East policy is based. The chips are down, the wheel is spinning, and Trump is all-in on the 32-year-old future king.

    The Associated Press summarizes the scope of the arrests, and their clear connection to the ascension of Mohammed bin Salman, or “MBS” as he is often called:

    The surprise arrests, which also reportedly include two of the late King Abdullah’s sons, were hailed by pro-government media outlets as the greatest sign yet that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is keeping his promise to reform the country, long been plagued by allegations of corruption at the highest levels of government.

    Analysts have suggested the arrest of once-untouchable members of the royal family is the latest sign that the 32-year-old crown prince is moving to quash potential rivals or critics. The prince’s swift rise to power has unnerved more experienced, elder members of the ruling Al Saud family, which has long ruled by consensus, though ultimate decision-making remains with the monarch.

    The king named his son, the crown prince, as head of an anti-corruption committee established late Saturday, just hours before its arrest of top officials.

    A Saudi government official with close ties to security says 11 princes and 38 others are being held in five-star hotels across the capital, Riyadh. The official spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.



    Saudi Twitter accounts released several other names of those arrested, such as: Alwalid al-Ibrahim, a Saudi businessman with ties to the royal family who runs the Arabic satellite group MBC; Amr al-Dabbagh, the former head of the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority; Ibrahim Assaf, the former finance minister; and Bakr Binladin, head of the Saudi Binladin Group, a major business conglomerate.

    As the Associated Press notes, this weekend’s arrests are unprecedented; the royals and top officials have been largely considered above the law, especially when they have extensive connections to major foreign business ventures.

    Prince Alwaleed is the consummate example, with holdings in Twitter, Lyft, Citigroup, and several prominent international hotel chains, notably including the Savoy in London and the Plaza in New York. He just dropped $800 million into the Egyptian tourism industry.

    The New York Times points out that he can count Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, and Michael Bloomberg among his business partners. He is also a global media celebrity whose vacation movies are professional cut and edited like Hollywood blockbusters. There is hardly a corner of the globe that will not feel the shockwaves from his arrest.

    It does not take the New York Times long to bring Donald Trump into the picture, remarking upon the president’s relationships with both Prince Alwaleed and MBS:

    The arrests also come as Crown Prince Mohammed has forged a close relationship with President Trump, who shares his aggressive approach to Saudi’s regional rival, Iran, and a penchant for bold decisions.

    Prince Alwaleed sparred with Mr. Trump on Twitter during the American presidential election, referring to him as a “disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America.” Mr. Trump fired back, also on Twitter, that he was a “dopey prince” trying to “control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money.”

    President Trump spoke with the current King Salman at great length on Saturday and praised Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s efforts. “The king and crown prince’s recent public statements regarding the need to build a moderate, peaceful and tolerant region are essential to ensuring a hopeful future for the Saudi people, to curtailing terrorist funding, and to defeating radical ideology – once and for all – so the world can be safe from its evil,” the president said, according to the White House statement on the call.

    The White House did not say whether President Trump directly addressed the arrests of Prince Alwaleed and the others during his conversation with King Salman, and would not comment on whether Trump endorsed the arrests. Trump did, however, talk about the potential sale of stock in Saudi Arabia’s national oil company on the U.S. stock market. He told reporters aboard Air Force One that he very much wants Aramco stock on the market, but thought the Kingdom was nervous about “litigation risk and other risk, which is very sad.”

    Trump said this even more plainly on Twitter:

    Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!

    The possibility of Aramco going public is the pivotal event in Saudi Arabia’s unfolding history. It is a major component of Crown Prince bin Salman’s reform agenda for modernizing the Kingdom and making it less dependent on oil, the idea being to use the enormous income from selling Aramco stock to diversify the Saudi economy. Everything happening in Saudi Arabia right now, from anti-corruption arrests to the liberalization of Islamic law, is part of the push to make the country more compatible with the Western world, more attractive to foreign investment and more appealing as a business partner for Americans and Europeans.
     
  18. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Continued from the above post...

    It is also an acknowledgment of the demographic reality that the enormous younger generation in Saudi Arabia wants to be part of the new century. The younger generation in countries around the world has made it clear, in a variety of ways, that corruption is one of their top concerns. The dark side of this trend is that people across the globe may be growing more comfortable with authoritarian government, provided they believe it is “honest,” accountable authoritarianism.

    Saudi Arabia’s religious transformation is also a factor in this weekend’s arrests. “The kingdom’s top council of clerics issued a statement saying it is an Islamic duty to fight corruption – essentially giving religious backing to the high-level arrests being reported,” the Associated Press observes.

    It was clear from the moment he formally announced this plan to the Saudi public on television in April 2016 that MBS would require an unprecedented level of efficient and decisive power concentrated in his person to implement such sweeping changes. For example, he was not the Crown Prince when he made that speech in the spring of 2016, but he is now, having briskly displaced a former heir apparent 25 years his senior. He authorized a wave of unprecedented arrests just one day after being named the Kingdom’s top anti-corruption official. Saudi government generally does not move at anything resembling this speed.

    Some of the things MBS has done make observers in America and Europe uncomfortable. The displaced Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Nayef, had solid connections with Western intelligence agencies. A series of lower-profile arrests made in early October for “inciting public feelings” struck many as MBS cracking down on dissent in a manner that would not be tolerated in Western democracies. The concept of sedition is always difficult to reconcile with the ideals of free speech.

    From a strategic perspective, the ultimate goal of liberalization and modernization can be seen as worth a bit of illiberalism along the way. The relationship taking shape is a marriage of U.S. and Saudi interests, with a modernized and liberalized Kingdom becoming the linchpin of American policy in the Middle East, while the revamped Saudi economy becomes dependent upon integration with the United States. Not to mention Saudi Arabia’s physical security, a point highlighted by the weekend missile attack from Yemen against Riyadh, which the Saudis say was ordered by Iran.

    President Trump’s trip to Saudi Arabia in May included a landmark speech that made it very clear he intended to reverse President Obama’s reckless realignment of U.S. foreign policy toward Iran. Trump was effusive with praise toward Saudi Arabia for taking a leading role in combatting radicalization, citing its importance as “home to the holiest sites in one of the world’s great faiths,” as well as its interest in modernization. The strategy he laid out in that speech will not work without a Saudi Arabia remade along the lines Crown Prince bin Salman envisions.

    Former White House chief strategist and Breitbart News Executive Editor Steve Bannon pointed out in a speech at the Hudson Institute two weeks ago that Trump’s “America First” foreign policy looks for allies, not “protectorates,” citing the swift action against Qatar for supporting terrorism soon after Trump gave his speech in Saudi Arabia.

    “Allies understand that we are there for them, but it’s not our fight. It’s your fight. If you’re going to reform Islam and bring it into modernity, that’s a huge civilizational and cultural aspect, and it’s yours,” Bannon explained. That is a fair description of the project Crown Prince bin Salman is engaged in, a project Bannon praised in his remarks.

    Bannon was as critical of Turkey as he was supportive of Saudi Arabia. The foreign policy establishment he lambasted in his speech has always seen Turkey, a NATO ally, as key to U.S. policy in the Islamic world, but Bannon described modern Turkey as a threat, heading the wrong way down the highway of modernization and passing the Saudis as they drive in the opposite direction, with increasingly Islamist Ankara a mirror image of modernizing Riyadh.

    He faulted Qatar for its funding of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, and its engagement with “Iran, and quite frankly Turkey,” while praising the Saudis and their partner nations for executing a “well thought-through plan” for forcing Qatar to cease funding extremism. In an interview with a Saudi paper soon after his Hudson Institute speech, Bannon was even blunter, calling Turkey under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan “the biggest danger for us,” even more so than Iran.

    A review of Bannon’s speech at The Intercept notes that quite a few participants in the conference who have spoken poorly of Bannon in the past seem to have come around to his views on Qatar and Saudi Arabia, at least in terms of diagnosing the problem. Even the strident dissent at the conference from Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) excoriated Saudi Arabia for exporting extremist Wahabbi Muslim ideology, which is clearly not the direction Crown Prince bin Salman is trying to push the country. Where countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey were ten or twenty years ago is not as important strategically as where they are going.

    Predicting the course of a country is a difficult business. The supreme folly of President Obama’s Iran policy was his estimation that the theatrical argument between “moderates” and “hardliners” in Tehran presented an opportunity for America to win Iran’s friendship, or at least cool its hostility, by dumping off a few pallets of cash. There is simply no sense that Iran wants to be part of a pro-Western, pro-U.S. alignment – quite the reverse – and no logical reason they would prefer that to forging a hegemonic relationship with allies like China, Russia, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    On the other hand, there are solid reasons to think Saudi Arabia’s government wants to move in a direction agreeable to the West, forging a relationship based on tangible economic benefits and security needs, not airy abstractions. The Saudis are dramatically doing the sort of things Obama foreign policy naively crossed its fingers and hoped Iran might contemplate, once sanctions were lifted and foreign business deals flowed in.

    CNN sees the Saudis gearing up for battle – possibly including literal warfare – against Iran in the post-Islamic State Middle East, and detects a “near consensus” that MBS is dramatically steering Saudi Arabia into “uncharted waters.” That’s good, because the charted waters are awful.
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...tic-transformation-continues-weekend-arrests/
     
  19. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro New Member

    is it possible that there will be a revolution against the Saudi Prince, just as it did in Libya and Syria?
     
  20. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    I would imagine that this young Saudi Prince got some real reassurances from Pres. Trump that he would back them against Iran....even go after Iran if there's any hint of a nuke being developed. Of course right now Iran is developing the delivery systems for a nuke and could purchase some "little" atomic bombs from N Korea....helping out both their current situations.

    Interesting too how in Bruno's visions he is told that there are no shelters against nukes but to take shelter in the church. That seems somewhat similar to what the other 15 year old Israeli teen was shown in his dream which on the whole about the coming war against Israel was very much like what Natan, the other 15 year old (at the time) Israeli teen was told in his NDE. The first teen said that when Israel is nuked during the predicted short war against them that would decimate the land....that they must go to Jerusalem and take shelter underground there. The other secularized cities of Israel would be hit hard.
     

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