Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by Fatima, Jan 21, 2014.
Just looked it up: Russia is the bear, widespread use of that symbol
I have no idea if these messages are true or not, I have never studied up on them.. But I have to say the take on what's going down in the world and in the Church and what is about to go down is exactly my own.
Which causes me to pay them reverent attention.
Exactly what Charlie is saying. This will all lead to the collapse of the Economy. His latest message speaks loud and clear on that. He just gave his 'last message before the collapse of the economy'. So be it.
Each alleged prophecy speaks to its messenger. Not necessarily in our 'language or slang', bu to the messenger and those in his/her environment. I concur that fit within Catholic prophetic consensus. Time will tell, but like all prophecy it will not shake my faith if they do not come to fruition, as they only bring some detail and immediacy to what scripture and tradition has already foretold.
Where was Charlie's mention of the economy in his latest offering? It was more like the beginning of a kind of new reasoning as to whether he's been "objectively wrong". He's now beginning to talk about his "predictions" as being obviously "strategic analysis" and "not revelation". And isn't hindsight ALWAYS 20/20! And instead of an "October surprise" we aren't to be surprised now if there isn't a "January surprise"! Frankly, an awful lot of faithful Christian ministers think more like the real "Surprise" from heaven was the "November Surprise"!! And there was no actual mention of the economy in this Luz message; only in the commentary and that sounds like there would first have to be some mechanism, like war, that would force the economy to completely collapse. Economists themselves have been warning for decades about the weak foundations of the economy, the "bubble", and it's been through the politicizing of the Fed via Janet Yellen that such weak foundations have been kept hidden from the public. Her latest, finally, slight rise in interest rates was forced by the "Trump effect" although she was forbidden to use that reasoning. Now the 2011 "prophecy" of Mark Taylor, the retired fireman, seems to fit the current reality....a certain grace from God, for this country at least, benefitting other countries as well, due to the prayers, sacrifices, and faithfulness of many. But without continuing prayer, intentionally man made destructive forces could indeed cause massive chaos which would then result in already weak economies to rip apart under the stress and the current plans for life support to be undercut. This isn't then within the desires of the Divine Will but due to the will of men influenced by the continuing destructive evil one.
I believe the November outcome surprised all the world insiders, including Pope Francis. Indeed, and CJ predicted it, I believe Trunp's victory was a "God-incident" and our pope is fighting it. I still believe in CJ.
Until you or I have 3 Opus Dei priests as our spiritual directors and the whole world is watching us on bated breath, Charlie will be the one who has Kahuna's the size of Texas to step out in faith and say what he has said. He will rise or fall. Don't wish him to fall. Because that always comes back on you.
I beg your pardon if you misunderstood my comment as to "wishing Charlie to fall". I quoted what he actually wrote in his latest offering which you had brought to attention as to having some kind of truthful new prediction of the fall of the economy. If I was mistaken in not seeing the same thing there please point out to where that was given. I would think it worse if one doesn't constantly desire to see the real intentions of the Divine Will regardless of affectionate friendships. Otherwise one's influenced errors in judgement would be what would naturally fall within that proverbial saying of "what goes around comes around". I would rather counsel others not to look or hope for bad things to happen in order to prove one's "favored one" to be correct, losing hope in the unfathomable Mercy of God even when all seems lost, because they might secretly wish things to "just get over with" and for God to bash the "right" people. So then I don't "wish him to fall" as you allude to incorrectly and perhaps even prejudicially. But then IF any should "fall" (not my word btw) then it's a much harder fall the higher one has placed one's self in the eyes of others.
MESSAGE FROM THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY
TO HER BELOVED DAUGHTER LUZ DE MARIA
JANUARY 3, 2017
Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart:
I LOVE YOU MY CHILDREN; AS A MOTHER I CARRY YOU IN MY WOMB AS LONG AS NECESSARY.
In My Womb you learn to love as My Son asks you, you understand that in order to live rightly it is necessary for you to know My Son, in order that you might not be surprised by His work and action that are outside every human scheme. My Son is Infinite Mercy and for one soul, He pours out all His Mercy to welcome the sinner; there is no repentant sinner that My Son will turn away from Him. You, as human beings, are confined to the limited vision that each person has; My Son surpasses the human concept of forgiveness and goes out to meet souls, to rescue them and to offer them His Divine Love.
At this instant, children, man must emerge from the fog that prevents him from looking further than his eyes can see. You must break with the ambitions with which you have lived. The ambitious person is never satisfied and this dirties the senses to the point of hardening them so that they only see one goal, which is heavy and destructive.
You cannot walk by dragging the acts and works of others behind you but by undertaking a path of your own, determined, of surrender and humility, of wisdom and, at the same time, of understanding the Divine Justice. All, as children of God, merit opportunities, forgiveness, charity, hope, love, blessing, and above all, deserve to know, at all instants, that they are worthy of opting for Eternal Life.
You, children of My Immaculate Heart, have to strengthen your Faith, strengthen the force that resides in each person, and this you achieve through love and unity. You must look at yourselves in order to achieve a radical change; not looking at your brother as this will stop you: you will always see in your brother aspects that will only lead you to stop spiritually. My children must form an invincible, impenetrable wall.
My Beloved, spiritual torpor, spiritual disillusionment and spiritual blindness cause feelings to spring up that are wrong and contrary to love, making the creature blind before everything. Thus the action of Satan attains double strength, setting continual ambushes for those who do not expect to find any obstacle along the way.
Children, you must know the enemy of the soul, so that you are not be prey of his machinations. You have to know how Satan acts so that you are not prey to his seductions, nor to his ambushes, disguised as good intentions.
Evil walks the world not in one form but in a thousand ways. That is why you have to know in advance against whom and against what you are fighting, in order to draw up the right strategies.
PRAY, PRAY, PRAY; HUMANITY IS SICK FROM THE DESIRE FOR POSSESSION, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN PRAYER AND FOCUS ON APPEARANCES AND POSSESSION.
The overthrow within the Church will be taken to its most extreme point, not without first leaving strong and deep traces in Humanity, which will have to be evangelized with maturity.
Dear children, humility is not always a sign of modesty. But knowledge gives words of strength so that you have the fire that silences the fool and makes the one who thinks they know everything despair.
I, AS MOTHER OF ALL MEN AND QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, SEND YOU TO DEEPEN YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF MY SON AND HIS TEACHINGS.
For this generation in its decisive instants, a week may seem to be several months, and sometimes a week will seem like a day, due to the events that you are living through.
Everything will be different: you will long for the present world, since the one that will exist later will be very different from what you are living today and its possibilities, however restricted they may be.
You do not see how Nature surprises Humanity with its unexpected changes; aviation and aeronautics will have to advance in their systems faced with the unpredictability of the unexpected changes of the winds, of the waters, of the elements; beloved children, everything will change.
Pray beloved children, pray for Argentina, it will suffer and weep.
Pray children, pray for Puerto Rico, it will suffer through the force of Nature.
Pray children, you will see in the sky how fire from the Universe approaches.
Pray children, pray, Brazil will suffer because of its distance from God.
Pray children, pray for Chile, it will suffer, cries will fill the air.
The United States will experience turmoil.
BELOVED CHILDREN OF MY IMMACULATE HEAR, BE JUST TOWARDS MY SON, GIVE HIM THE HONOR AND THE GLORY THAT HUMAN CREATURES DO NOT GIVE HIM.
DO NOT BE CONTAMINATED WITH WHAT IS NOT THE DIVINE WILL, FULFILL THE DIVINE WORD.
DO NOT ACCEPT WHAT MY SON HAS NOT TAUGHT YOU.
The children of My Son are faithful and true. The children of My Son are those who do not refuse or deny My Son. The children of My Son know that My Son is returning in His Second Coming and will give them His Hand and lift them from the place where they will be sent. Wait patiently and do not lose faith.
MY SON IS COMING, ANNOUNCED BY ALL CREATION. He will not return in a poor manger but as King; he comes in the midst of the Vault of Heaven that will open to make way for him, he comes accompanied by myriads of Angelic Beings, and of all the Hierarchies.
The stars will seem to descend towards the earth; by day you will see them shine.
The martyrs will sing the Divine Glory, all that exists will sing the arrival of My Son.
The Archangels and Seraphim will raise up songs with harmonious melodies such as man has never heard.
The air will sing and the water will rise up, forming small drops of water that will arise in harmony, forming beautiful multi-coloured rainbows, so pure in their essence, that man has not seen such colours before.
The vegetation will join with such rejoicing and will move in unison, producing the sound of the trumpets to the rhythm of the songs.
An Archangel will have a Chalice in his hand with My Son’s Blood, the same that was collected at the foot of the Cross, and this Blood will be poured out as abundant dew on the Holy Remnant, faithful and true, who did not deny My Son.
Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, wait patiently, holding to My Son and to what He makes clear to you. DO NOT LOOK FOR TREASURES THAT YOU WILL NOT FIND; YOU ALREADY POSSESS THE GREATEST TREASURE: THE EXPLANATION OF THE DIVINE WORD BY GRACE AND TRINITARIAN MERCY.
I bless you,
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
THE INSTRUMENT’S COMMENTARY
Brothers and Sisters:
Given so many currents reaching the People of God, we are obliged to meditate. We have been and are being warned of all that will happen in the final stages of this generation, in which the day and hour are in the power of the Eternal Father.
Given everything we know about the suffering of this generation through the rebellion in which man continues to live, we are called once again to unity, because in unity the People of God attains its strength.
We must pray, because deception has existed and thus those have arisen who have misled and martyred the People of God. We must prepare ourselves because they come to mislead and persecute the children of the Blessed Mother.
Brethren: let us pray, meditate, and pray constantly for the anointing of the Holy Spirit, so that only it may be he who alone is true and faithful one who remains in us, for His Glory, for Ever and Ever.
And just a little portion of the next as yet untranslated Luz message...it's a dialogue between Christ and Luz de Maria (via google translate):
Indecency in women's clothing is a sign of the emptiness they carry inside. The woman has lost the values, the decorum, the decency, the modesty, the modesty and the delicacy.
The little masculinity with which the men dress gives clear signals of what happens to the man at this moment. They look with contempt at the Gift of Life, they see how man has transformed himself into a creature out of the darkness, a product of decadence that will no longer be able to reverse, until Mankind is fully purified.
and then also ***this***:
My Beloved One, Humanity will not stop until it suffers what it has generated ... From Space is about part of the Purification, the force and vibration that have Celestial Objects that travel through Space, will directly influence the Earth Orbit, causing that The Earth's Axis moves and the Earth's entrails and Earth's center of gravity correspond to that vibration and magnetism, altering the normal rotation. Disasters will increase; One and another earthquake will occur without the man being able to assist promptly, since conditions will prevent it. The fury of the waters will flood the coasts and the communications will be altered to the extreme. Then man will see that his technology does not manage to stand on its own, but depends on what the Divine Hand has created to continue advancing. It is not man the Creator but the slave of what he has created ... Nothing reaches beyond where Our Trinity allows it.
The human will has attained supremacy in the absence of the knowledge of Our Will. A god of solutions is what Humanity seeks and when those solutions do not fit the human will, it has opted for the devil.
A snippet from a not as yet translated Luz message:
via google translate:
Children, the leaders of evil shake the Nations through a few men, and the rest imitate those few men sent by those who direct the destiny of Humanity, causing more agitation after a short period of seeming calm. In the great international scene, they will kill the president of a great nation, and this will convulse the world, giving an opportunity for each other to blame and thus the specter of war cease to be a spectrum. A frightened humanity is easily guided to the goal of evil.
If this is what is going to happen to Trump, all hell is going to break loose. Charlie will be spot on that is for sure! Then, Pence will be President….hmmm.Interesting...but scary.
I was thinking more along the lines of Trump giving that "short period of seeming calm" due to his law and order approach, jobs, healthcare et al....and what is promised via that fireman 2011 Trump "prophecy" giving a bit of reprieve for this country. But the powers that be in the world so worried about the Trump effect....as for instance recently seen at DAVOS wanting a special meeting just about Trump in order to find a way to keep their elitist NWO goal going. They could use the already established chaos in the EU or perhaps Turkey, a type of a gateway, and go after one of those leaders. Who knows.
DIALOGUE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
AND HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER LUZ DE MARÍA
JANUARY 9, 2017
My Beloved, I see man, My son, whom I love with Eternal Love, boasting about the future with the aim of progressing in every aspect of life, when at this instant his duty is to grow spiritually and to draw near to Me.
Mankind is lost amidst the weeds that it has created in order to fix everything worldly in evil, raving about the instant that will not come, trampling one another without thinking, interpreting My Designs and denying My Word.
My Beloved, will it be of greater benefit to My children to believe themselves saved, to belong to a social elite, to possess the greatest wealth, to have merely human respect, to be mentioned in the media, to be praised by men, to feel that they are idols, to hold sway over a People, to possess the greatest and most sophisticated weapons, contaminate the Creation, dictate laws to destroy life by allowing abortion, accepting relationships against human nature? ... This, my beloved, among so many things that I keep in My Heart and could mention to you.
Luz de María
Lord of my life, none of this is profitable for man, none of it brings him closer to Your Love.
As you teach me: wheat must be fixed on firm ground so that weeds do not take shelter among the wheat and cause it to be lost.
Humanity consents to the aridity of the human heart, accepts the lack of Your Presence, as the human creature, being given over to what does not come from You, lives by what is immediate, forgetting that all this is transient.
Beloved, the passing instant melts away between the fingers of man’s hands, not taking into account that in order to be saved he has to offer and obey, fulfill and surrender. So many are they who say that they love me by being present in My Temples every day! And I, knowing the depths of the soul, see the discomfort, disinterest and lack of fulfillment towards the Divine Word.
I experience the great apathy with which I am treated and the contempt of being ignored ...
I see how false human appearances surpass love for Me ...
I look at the preference of some of My Representatives for certain social and even political elites in order to remain among the top positions...
I look at these Priests of Mine lacking spiritual accompaniment ....
How much power evil holds over man at this instant! So much that it manipulates him to the utmost, so much so that, in search of the best possessions in order to be admired, My children, men and women, are deceived and live without respect for themselves. I grieve for those who live by appearances or by convention... How far these "modern styles of life and love" are from Me!
Indecency in women's clothing is a sign of the emptiness they carry inside. Woman has lost her values, decorum, decency, modesty, discretion and sensitivity.
The little masculinity with which men dress gives clear signals as to what is happening to man in this instant. They look with contempt at the Gift of Life, they see how man has become a creature emerging from darkness, a product of the decadence that you will no longer be able to reverse until humanity is totally purified.
My Beloved One, tell me, how many of My people enter deeply into Sacred Scripture and the explanation of My Calls with the purpose of freeing themselves from the ignorance that they carry with them? How insistently My Mother has wished to hold back evil for this generation! Her Calls were ignored and continue being ignored because of human respects that are leading you to greater suffering.
With evil rooted in man, weapons of mass destruction will intensify their lethal action, coupled with the false idols that man has created; among them, abortion and its consequent sins are the arrows of satan. In the absence of the fear of offending Me the human person has given himself over to the guidance of satan. You betray Me and forget the Divine Law by agreeing to this planned amnesia, telling me: ‘stay away from us, we do not want to know you!’ My people only want to survive in any way, without any feeling, mandate, rule, respect or love. Man has forgotten his condition as a child of God ...
Luz de María:
My Lord, the lack of awareness of the instant in which Humanity finds itself has been programmed through man’s estrangement from You. Your People are as when Moses was on Mount Sinai and they no longer wanted to wait, they have created sculptures of satan, to whom they surrender, and he sends his legions to impel man to fall into degeneration and the worst of ignominies and heresies.
My Beloved, Humanity will not stop until it suffers what it has generated ... Part of the Purification is approaching from Space, the force and vibration of Celestial Objects that travel through Space will directly influence the Earth’s Orbit, causing the Earth's Axis to move, and the Earth's entrails and the Earth’s center of gravity correspond to that vibration and magnetism, altering the normal rotation. Disasters will increase; one earthquake after another will occur without men being able to assist one another promptly, since conditions will prevent it. The fury of the waters will flood the coasts and communications will be altered to the extreme. Then man will see that his technology cannot stand on its own, but depends on what the Divine Hand has created in order to continue advancing. Man is not the Creator but the slave of what he has created ... Nothing goes beyond where Our Trinity allows.
If just for one instant you would listen to My Word and that of My Mother, Humanity would find itself far from so many mistakes and errors. The human will has achieved supremacy in the face of the lack of knowledge of Our Will. A god of solutions is what Humanity seeks, and when those solutions do not fit human desire, it has opted for the devil.
Spread Our Word in season and out of season, awaken souls as I command you.
Everyone has the power of decision; each one of you, My children, has the power of choice.
Those who have decided distortedly to turn away from Me are those who destroy everything in their path, beginning with the Gift of Life and leading Humanity to suffer cruelly. All those who possess power for determining norms, laws and who can interfere with the Peoples, and have used it for evil, if they do not repent in due time, before the appointed hour, will not obtain My Mercy.
THIS IS THE INSTANT FOR REPENTANCE, FOR CONVERSION: THIS ONE, NOT ANOTHER.
Pray, children, pray for Australia, lament comes to that land.
Pray, children, pray for Indonesia, the colossus awakens.
Pray children for Italy, it suffers because of the great volcano that was dormant.
Pray, children, pray for My Church, She is divided and the sheep are scattered.
My people, come to Me, attend to My Pleas.
My Blessing abides in you, My Love claims you, My Mercy awaits you ...
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN
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