Discussion in 'Announcements' started by padraig, Sep 21, 2014.
I got the "24th" in prayer, weird.
Fine, here goes then....Padraig, you're a schmuck! How dare you!? ......feel better? I was distraught to the nth degree, crying, freaking out about the Synod and "had it out" with God in my garage a few weeks ago. After my sobbing spell I waited for His reply and He so graciously gave me this word: "I got this". Yep, that's all it took, just "I got this" and simple, pathetic little me fell to my knees in humility and thanksgiving! Who am I?? OF COURSE HE'S GOT THIS!!! Phew.
Because the Jesuits' way is to allow everyone to have their say. Jesuits are very liberal. The intervening year, in which teachers and priests will have to hold a line on the teaching will be crucial. Humane Vitae is going to have to be taught at last. The Synod was for the Bishops to bring our views, as expressed in those questionnaires we all filled out over a year ago. Pope Francis is conservative - look at all the positions he has taken on moral theology to date. He is quiet when heresy is spoken because he wants the worold to see it for what it is : Heresy.
Note that he won in the end.
I'm so glad the forum is back! Thank you Padraig.
As for the synod I prefer not to comment other that we are entering a time of confusion, just like in the Tower of Babel only this time the confusion is spiritual.
Like Andy and many others I have fallen many times, I feel that we all have a big calling , we are called to be light and hope for our families and others , and we are going to be put to the test sooner than later.the devil know this and that's why he is vigilant day and night.
Dear God please help us in this journey that you have prepared for us, let us not forget your love and infinity mercy, we are wounded soldiers and need your healing constantly.
Let us not be fooled. The apostasy will grow greater and greater until the great schism does indeed take place. I will make a prediction, that it will come when Holy Father defines the 5th and final dogma on Mary for which we must pray daily and deeply to take place soon (read John Martinez message on this forum). At that time, those who remain faithful to our Holy Father and church doctrine will indeed be persecuted along with the remnant. Holy Father has shown he is a man of mercy and many of the far right traditionalists have already jumped the ship that Pope Francis is at the helm of. Most in the left will soon join him, even though they have favor for him for the time being.
Padraig, do not be to hard on yourself. Many, if not most, of us had concerns with the first draft/document that came out of the Vatican. Mark Mallett was and is truely a God send for our times and I took great comfort in reading his insights, which I believe were spot on. Doctrine was being challenged, but it did not change. The next 'debate' will lead to schism, but Holy Father will be on the right side of doctrine as he remains.
Padraig - I am praying too.... Your words about the Pope had me very concerned. Glad to see you're back on track. Don't despair, my brother. Trust. Trust.
Yes, Pope Francis is much smarter and much more strategic than the Freemason Media can even imagine. Remember, the Jesuits were founded by a soldier and have often been nicknamed "God's Marines." They don't mess around. I think this Synod achieved exactly what it was mean't to achieve: to divide the wheat from the chaff.
I thought I would let you all know that the viewing figures for the forum have not only got back to normal but are even higher than they were before the month lock down.
I regard this as kind of a mini miracle. Personally I expected figures to be at least a quarter or less than what they were for quite some time to come before they recovered (if they ever did).
I know its not all about numbers of course, but still.
As far as the Synod goes I find it strange and very humbling to feel so confused and uncertain about it all. I wish I could be as certain as others. Often sometimes I think one way, then I am tugged in another.
A good lot of this has to do with the media of course. But the Catholic world itself seems in two ways. I suppose all great change causes us to think to ourselves, 'I wonder if?'
Padre Pio's advice, 'Pray, trust and don't worry ', must be more needed than ever.
The Synod showed that the Church is in pretty bad shape. And it seemed pretty clear to me that Pope Frances ....Ill just quote someone else...
In closing, this Synod revealed definitive evil intentions on the part of several actors, who were intent on lying and manipulating the proceeding to obtain their own desired ends. Whatever degree his involvement in the actual shenanigans, our Pontiff is definitely aligned with this group, which is profoundly disheartening. But the Synod was also an occasion of some tremendous moments of grace as bishop after bishop stood up and refused to go along quietly while the Catholic faith was dismantled. In this Synod, despite its huge problems, we all caught a glimpse of what would be possible if all the bishops of the world actually stood up for the Catholic faith. It was a small glimpse, a fleeting glimpse - a tiny crust of bread fallen from heaven - but enough to marvelously strengthen faith in the fidelity of God and the efficacy of all our prayers, rosaries, Masses and sacrifices offered for our bishops. Let us commit ourselves with renewed zeal to these pious efforts towards the restoration of Holy Mother Church.
Mac's quote is from the strongly traditionalist blog at http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.co.uk/
Despite this ... and despite the site's strong opposition to Medjugorje, the writer does have the intellectual honesty to correctly identify the truth of Cardinal Kasper's recent words about African bishops:
"That being said, upon reading Kasper's infamous comments on the African bishops, I have to say that I did not find them racist or xenophobic. Condescending? Yes. Racist? No. Upon rereading his statements a few times, Kasper essentially made the argument that the African Church is in no position to lecture the western bishops on moral issues since the African Church itself struggles with its own unique moral problems, such as polygamy and "gradual marriages." It was a subtle way to say 'clean up your own house before you worry about ours.' "
However, the overall criticism of Cardinal Kasper in the traditionalist's world amounts, in my view, to character assasination. And more worryingly, the criticism serves as a thinly veiled, continual criticism of Pope Francis.
Events in Rome have been very interesting. Before the Synod, I personally suspected that whatever happened there, would be very challenging and would probably make us feel a little uncomfortable.
This has proven to be true.
However, the content of some posts on this thread has made me feel ten times more uncomfortable than the Synod ever could.
I've made the decision to step back from this forum for a while. I might read it from time to time, but I feel perhaps this forum needs to avoid the rhetoric I've read here. The current Pope is the Pope. End of. There is a reason he is Pope now, a special reason. Why, would you think, was Pope Ben XVI asked to step aside in a 'Mystical experience'? To make room for Pope Francis. His Pontificate has made me feel uncomfortable and he is sending us out on a limb, but, as they say, that's where all the fruit is. And I will follow him faithfully, even though inside I'm trembling.
Thank you for all the excellent reading and participation over the last 18 months.
I think there are many here on the forum who agree with you. I don't think you are in a minority, not at all. But the great thing about the forum is that we can keep each other straight. Of course, it can work the other way as well, we can lead each other astray. But I think there are enough good heads (and hearts) on this forum to keep our thoughts going in the right direction.
Again very interesting comments from Mark Mallett:
The Five Corrections
Jesus, condemned by the “conservatives” (painting by Michael D. O’brien)
THIS past weekend, as the Synod reached a crescendo of confusion and tension, I kept sensing strongly in my heart that we are living the letters to the churches in Revelation. But that reallyhit home this morning as I sat down to write you: that just as Jesus chastised five of the seven churches in Revelation, so too, Pope Francis made five rebukes to the Church in his closing remarks this past weekend.
The parallel is stunning, and a wake up call to the hour in which we are living…
THE FIVE CORRECTIONS
I. To the Church in Ephesus, Jesus warned those who were rigid, who were locked in the law rather than in love:
I know your works, your labor, and your endurance, and that you cannot tolerate the wicked; you have tested those who call themselves apostles but are not, and discovered that they are impostors… Yet I hold this against you: you have lost the love you had at first. Realize how far you have fallen… (Revelation Chapters 2 & 3)
Addressing the more “conservative” bishops at the Synod, Pope Francis pointed out the temptation to…
…hostile inflexibility, that is, wanting to close oneself within the written word, (the letter) and not allowing oneself to be surprised by God, by the God of surprises, (the spirit); within the law, within the certitude of what we know and not of what we still need to learn and to achieve. From the time of Christ, it is the temptation of the zealous, of the scrupulous, of the solicitous and of the so-called – today – “traditionalists” and also of the intellectuals. —Catholic News Agency, October 18th, 2014
II. The second correction is of the more “liberal” ones in His Church. Jesus writes to the Peragamumians, acknowledging their faith in him, but the heretical teachings they’ve admitted:
…you hold fast to my name and have not denied your faith in me… Yet I have a few things against you. You have some people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam… Likewise, you also have some people who hold to the teaching of [the] Nicolaitans.
Yes, those who have allowed contemporary heresies to enter so as to appeal to the worldly. To these also, Pope Francis warned of:
The temptation to a destructive tendency to goodness, that in the name of a deceptive mercy binds the wounds without first curing them and treating them; that treats the symptoms and not the causes and the roots. It is the temptation of the “do-gooders,” of the fearful, and also of the so-called “progressives and liberals.”
III. And then Jesus rebukes those who close themselves in on their works that, rather than producing the fruit of the spirit, produce stone-cold-death.
I know your works, that you have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Be watchful and strengthen what is left, which is going to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God.
So too, Pope Francis warned the bishops of a similar temptation against dead and incomplete works that do more harm to others than good:
The temptation to transform stones into bread to break the long, heavy, and painful fast (cf. Lk 4:1-4); and also to transform the bread into a stone and cast it against the sinners, the weak, and the sick (cf Jn 8:7), that is, to transform it into unbearable burdens (Lk 11:46).
IV. Jesus reaches out in encouragment to those who commit themselves to great works of love and service—what we might call social work or works of “justice and peace”. But then the Lord rebukes them for admitting a spirit of idolatry, of bending toward the spirit of the world among them.
I know your works, your love, faith, service,and endurance, and that your last works are greater than the first. Yet I hold this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, who teaches and misleads my servants to play the harlot and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Likewise, the Holy Father rebuked those bishops who have softened the Gospel in order to make it more palatable like the “food of idols.”
The temptation to come down off the Cross, to please the people, and not stay there, in order to fulfil the will of the Father; to bow down to a worldly spirit instead of purifying it and bending it to the Spirit of God.
V. And last are our Lord’s words against the “lukewarm”, to those who water down the faith.
I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
These, says Pope Francis, are those who either water down the deposit of faith, or those who say much, but nothing at all!
The temptation to neglect the “depositum fidei ” [the deposit of faith], not thinking of themselves as guardians but as owners or masters [of it]; or, on the other hand, the temptation to neglect reality, making use of meticulous language and a language of smoothing to say so many things and to say nothing!
PREPARING FOR THE PASSION
Brothers and sisters, we are living the Book of Revelation, which is the unveiling of the Church’s passion according to St. John’s vision.
Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. —Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 675
The “shaking” begins with a message from Christ—and now theVicar of Christ—for “conservatives” and “liberals” alike to repent.
Note, brothers and sisters, it was a “liberal” bishop who betrayed Jesus at the Last Supper… but it was eleven “conservatives” who fled him in the Garden. It was one “liberal” government authority who signed Christ’s death warrant, but “conservative” Pharisees who demanded His crucifixion. And it was perhaps a “rich liberal” who donated his tomb for Christ’s body, not the “conservatives” who rolled the stone over it. Think about this, especially as you hear your fellow Catholics call the Pope a heretic.
I wept as I read Jesus’ words this morning. May the entire Church weep today, because the world would not be on the threshold of Judgment if we weren’t so divided, so judgmental of each other, so unfaithful and unloyal, so rigid, so lukewarm, so in bed with Jezebel, so hypocritical. I am as guilty as anyone.
Lord have mercy on your Church. Come quickly and heal her wounds…
For it is time for the judgment to begin with the household of God; if it begins with us, how will it end for those who fail to obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)
The Pope, in this context, is not the supreme lord but rather the supreme servant – the “servant of the servants of God”; the guarantor of the obedience and the conformity of the Church to the will of God, to the Gospel of Christ, and to the Tradition of the Church,putting aside every personal whim, despite being – by the will of Christ Himself – the “supreme Pastor and Teacher of all the faithful” and despite enjoying “supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church”. —POPE FRANCIS, closing remarks on the Synod; Catholic News Agency, October 18th, 2014 (my emphasis)
The words of St. Paul come to my mind when I see some of the comments about the Synod:
I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.
For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe’s people, that there are rivalries among you.
I mean that each of you is saying, “I belong to* Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.”
* Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I give thanks [to God] that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
so that no one can say you were baptized in my name.
(I baptized the household of Stephanas also; beyond that I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.)
* For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence,* so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning.
* Brothers, I could not talk to you as spiritual people, but as fleshly people,* as infants in Christ.
I fed you milk, not solid food, because you were unable to take it. Indeed, you are still not able, even now,
for you are still of the flesh. While there is jealousy and rivalry among you,* are you not of the flesh, and behaving in an ordinary human way?
Whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not merely human?
What is Apollos, after all, and what is Paul? Ministers* through whom you became believers, just as the Lord assigned each one.
I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the growth.
Therefore, neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who causes the growth.
The one who plants and the one who waters are equal, and each will receive wages in proportion to his labor.
For we are God’s co-workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
I didn't know this song until you posted it. I was playing it this morning and my 7 yr old copped the words 'saints are sinners who fall down', and she came to me very aghast. So then I had the chance to draw her attention to the next line, 'and get up'. So we had a quick chat about that.
That wouldn't have happened if you hadn't you know what.
Please God I'll use this song with children again, so already Our Lord and Lady are using this moment for a great good.
Just remember that when the Jewish High Priest ordered the death of Christ, he was unknowingly obeying God's Will also. It is even commented upon in the Gospel. Whether our Pope turns out to be a Saint or a wolf in sheep's clothing is yet to be determined. It is really not for us to determine. We can only love, pray, and hope for him right now. But remember, God is in charge and we have the duties mentioned. We also have the duty NOT TO KNOWINGLY SIN ourselves. And also not to encourage anyone else to sin. If people come up to you and to me, and say "now I can receive communion in my third marriage and don't need an annulment" We can say, "no, you are misinformed and unless you repent your soul is in great danger. Also, if you take communion in mortal sin, you open yourself up to demonic infestation". These people know they are sinning. Instead of repenting they want the Church to give them their blessing. If they loved the Lord, they would rearrange their whole world to never offend Him again!, but they are not yet to the point of conversion. As of now, they love creatures and their sin more. They are not interested in the kind of unconditional love the Lord demands of us all. If we tell them it's ok to sin now, they will never convert. It may feel more comfortable to them here on earth, but think how appalled they will be when they actually meet our Lord, and then they will realize "our words to them were kind" as it also says in scripture. So we must all hunker down and pray, and fast, and watch ourselves. These times WILL come, but whoa to those who betray our Lord. Anyone who causes even ONE of His little ones to sin, or encourages it, will wish they had never been born. Those are the words of Jesus. Period.
MS7, Like many others have expressed in this thread, there was real suffering in our family during the synod that normally wasn't present. Do you ever go back to the MMP book and wonder about messages 406-407?
It is like I have always said, stay with the Pope who stay's with the unchanging doctrines of the faith. This cannot be stressed enough. Doctrine can never change. Know your faith. This is why we have a Catholic Catechism given to us by Saint John Paul the Great. Pope Francis, although seemingly in favor of a 'softer doctrine' as it pertains to giving communion to the divorced and remarried and recognising gay relationships in some degree, did not, nor could he ever change doctrine. Yes, we would all like to hear straight candid talk from Pope Francis on what he thinks and what direction he wants to go, but we can be assured that he did what he did with the synod for some mystical reason that one day we may understand. Or again maybe we won't. But nonetheless he deserves our fidelity. He did say very early in his papacy that he wanted to 'shake things up' and well he did and he is.
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