FATIMA: The Path to Peace Conference

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  1. David Wilson

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  2. Luke

    Luke Guest

    David thanks for sharing this video. Absolutely brilliant listening to Archbishop Fulton Sheen.
    This led me to watching other videos of his. He is an incredible speaker.
     
  3. sunburst

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    The Roman stigmatist, Antonio Ruffini, (pictured top, left) testified that it would be the Pope that follows Benedict XVI who would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Fr. Paul Kramer (pictured middle left), author of the book The Devil's Final Battle, mentioned this in an interview with the Fatima Crusader:

    “I would refer to the testimony of the Roman stigmatist, Antonio Ruffini. Pope Pius XII authorized the blessing of a chapel on the spot where Ruffini received the stigmata on the Via Appia, and Father Tomaselli, the miracle worker, wrote a booklet about him. I myself knew Ruffini for many years. In the early 1990s Ruffini was asked point-blank in his home: “Is John Paul II the Pope who is going to do the Consecration of Russia?” He answered: “No, it’s not John Paul. It will not be his immediate successor either, but the one after that. He is the one who will consecrate Russia.” That is, Benedict’s successor, during this time of world war and persecution of the Church, will be the one to do the Consecration at long last, and then the restoration and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart will begin.”


    Let us pray that this will truly be the case, but remember the words of Our Lady also, which testify that the Pope who does consecrate Russia to the Immaculate WILL LEAVE IT LATE!


    That means there will be horrendous happenings and a state of misery and suffering that we will have to undergo first!
     
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  4. Fatima

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    sunburst, thank you for that post. Very interesting. 30 years ago, I like most, dismissed Father Gruner and the Fatima Crusader, because information back then was very minimal coming from magazines and books. I know now, after listening to the Fatima Path to Peace Conference, that I was mislead about him for 30 years and his apostolate to our Lady of Fatima. This latest post of yours is just one more reason to prepare for the battle that lies ahead for us. Thanks!
     
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  5. Fatima

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  6. sunburst

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    William Thomas Walsh, who interviewed Sr. Lucia is quoted as saying,.."I came home from Portugal convinced that nothing is so important as making known what the Mother of God asked in those apparitions of 1917 . . . The future of our civilization, our liberties, our very existence may depend upon the acceptance of her commands." The acceptance, then, of the Apostolate of Our Lady of Fatima is imperative and challenges the world.
    With the above in mind, I hope to uncover a secret. I am not referring to the Third Secret, the "words" of Our Lady in the "ect." which to this day have not been revealed.
    This secret is actually not a secret but no one talks about it to the point of it almost being a secret.
    I would like to extract one word from a quote Sister Lucia made to begin and help unveil this little talked about aspect of Fatima.
    Quote-" Many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta as well as myself, that Russia will be the Instrument of Chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the world, if we do not beforehand 'obtain' the conversion of that poor nation."
    'Obtain' is the word! Another meaning for obtain is' to get possession of'
    or' procure'.
    Sister Lucia did not say, 'if we do not beforehand convert that poor Nation'. She said,"obtain the conversion of that poor nation."
    Please keep in mind the word 'obtain' when I quote Sister Lucia again. This quote is taken from ' Fatima in Lucia's own words' of Lucia's Memoirs page 199 under the heading 'Text of the Request for the Consecration of Russia'
    Quote- "It was at this time that Our Lady informed me that the moment had come in which she wished me to make known to Holy Church Her desire for the Consecration of Russia, and HER PROMISE TO CONVERT IT..."
    So the words "Obtain" and "Her promise to convert it." (Russia) go together but I must quote William Thomas Walsh again in his July 15th, 1946 interview with Sister Lucia.
    Quote- Walsh- "She (Lucia) said more than once with 'deliberate emphasis':" What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, SHE WILL CONVERT RUSSIA and there will be PEACE. If this is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world."
    P.S.- That is 'this' country too! Russia was the first Nation to Legalize 'abortion' on demand! Also, how often do you hear the word PEACE today? God has given I hope 'Holy Church the way to Peace in the above quote! yet the continually yell Peace!, Peace!. AND THERE IS NO PEACE!!
    I am going aside a little bit here. In 1929 when Our lady said, "The moment has come etc .." Keep in mind that yes, our Lady spoke the words but Who is it that is asking? God! "The moment has come in which 'God' asks the Holy Father etc..."

    Now-"Obtain"
    "Her promise to convert it." (Russia)
    The last quote is "SHE will convert Russia and there 'will' be Peace,"!!
    What credit does Our Lord want for the Pope and Bishops? That they Consecrated Russia to The Immaculate Heart of Mary in a 'Public' and solemn ceremony in one special day.
    Are they to get the credit for Converting Russia? No! Our Lord has a special reason for the Pope and Bishops not to get the Conversion of Russia, He wants Our Lady to get the credit and it is very easy to understand why because "SHE WILL CONVERT RUSSIA" so She must get the credit! And He (Our Lord) wants His' whole Church' to recognize Our Lady's Triumph over Russia ( so the Consecration is to be in 'Public'- so all will know-)
    The special reason, 'To place devotion to This Immaculate Heart along side the Devotion to My Sacred Heart later on. These Two are for Reparation.
    I have to say as an example did the Bishop of Mexico get the credit of converting Nine-Million Aztecs in less than 'ten' years to the 'Catholic' Faith? No! Our Lady did.
    I w
    ill let Lucia end this quote-
    'Let us pray, work and sacrifice and trust that'
    "Finally My Immaculate Heart will triumph."



     
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  7. Fatima

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    The post above is very important for this reason. Many, including members of this forum, think Russia is a peaceful, loving help your neighbor (Syria) good guy now. Their 'former' KGB leader is speaking in peace terms and to many, Russia looks so much better then the US.

    This mindset is very important to the conversion of Russia. It is also very important to the messages of Garabandal '"it will be late". It is important because Russia must get very bad, "and at its worst" (according to Garabandal) before the Fatima Consecration to Mary's Immaculate Heart takes place. In order for Mary to be given full credit, as God desires, it must be clear to all that only a true miracle could convert Russia and everyone in the world will know before hand that the Pope and all Bishops of the world will have formally consecrated Russia to Mary. Keep in mind my first paragraph....MANY feel Russia is the good guy right now! Also keep in mind that most in the Catholic Church (including cardinals, bishops and priests) who know that Fatima message believe and have accepted the consecration has already taken place. Only a few of us nut jobs who follow Father Gruner think otherwise! The consecration to Russia will be known world wide with no doubt, no veiled language and no substitute words. It will be known and repeated on every TV station and every internet blog and every newspaper in the world and will be the butt of jokes and ridicule. It will be so pronounced that there will be no doubt when Russia is finally converted that it will have come from the MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!

    As of today, few, if any, believe that Mary has converted Russia. Most in the world do not even know of the Fatima prophecy of Mary converting Russia, so if Russia was converted Mary would get no credit for it, nor has she to this moment in history. The will of God is that every human being on the planet will know of Russia's conversion through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The Triumph of Mary will not be a small ordeal. It will be the biggest ordeal the world has seen since the Incarnation and every living soul on earth in heaven and in hell will know of Mary' Triumph, her Queenship and Motherhood of mankind. Anything short of this would not be a triumph prohesised at Fatima.
     
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  8. Amen, and again I say Amen! (which means I believe!) (y)
     
  9. Fatima

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    So the questions are, what comes first?
    1) The Fatima Consecration of Russia or the Garabandal Warning?
    2) Does the Great Miracle foretold at Garabandal come before or after the Fatima Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
    3) Where does the 5th and final Dogma of Mary come into play?

    It seems apparent to me that all of these events take place after Russia's brutle inhilation of nations coming soon.
     
  10. Jon

    Jon Archangels

    I think number 1 is unknown, as far as which comes first. There is some reference in the Garabandal interviews, etc., that makes a point about the Miracle helping to bring about the conversion of Russia (I think. but Glenn could probably point out the exact quote in less than 5 minutes).

    Number 2, in my opinion, is very clear: The Miracle is a pre-chastisement event, while the Triumph speaks of the state of the world post-chastisement.

    I don't think number 3 is directly referenced in Fatima, Garabandal, or Akita, correct? Is it referenced in any approved apparitions or apparitions non-condemned? I am not as familiar as many of you on that, but I'm sure somebody knows.
     
  11. Fatima

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    The 5th anticipated dogma (Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate) on Mary was foretold by Ida Peedeman "Our Lady of All Nations". I think Pope Francis will be the one to proclaim this dogma as well.
    On 31 May 2002 Bishop Jozef Marianus Punt of Haarlem, having concluded a period of investigation, declared the apparitions accorded Ida Peerdeman of Amsterdam, Holland, in which the Blessed Virgin Mary asked to be known as Our Lady of All Nations, to be "of a supernatural origin".
     
  12. sunburst

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    Here is another reference to Russia in the Church approved prophecies of;
    Prophecies of Sister Elena Aiello

    "Pray, and loose no time, lest it be too late; since dense darkness surrounds the earth and the enemy is at the doors!" Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary -- August 22, 1960
    The Madonna speaks: "The hour of the justice of God is close, and will be terrible!
    "Tremendous scourges are impending over the world, and various nations are struck by epidemics, famines, great earthquakes, terrific hurricanes, with overflowing rivers and seas, which bring ruin and death.
    "If people do not recognize in these scourges (of nature) the warnings of Divine Mercy, and do not return to God with truely Christian living, ANOTHER TERRIBLE WAR WILL COME FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. RUSSIA WITH HER SECRET ARMIES WILL BATTLE AMERICA; WILL OVERRUN EUROPE. The river Rhine willbe overflowing with corpses and blood. Italy, also, will be harrassed by a great revolution, and the Pope will suffer terribly.
    "Spread the devotion to my Immaculate Heart, in order that many souls may be conquered by my love, and that many sinners may return to my Maternal Heart. Do not fear, for I will accompany with my maternal protection my faithful ones, and all those who accept my urgent warnings, and they - especially by the recitation of my Rosary - will be saved.
    "Satan goes furiously through this disordered world, and soon will show all his might. But, because of my Immaculate Heart, the triumph of Light will not delay in its triumph over the power of darkness, and the world, finally, will have tranquility and peace." Good Friday ---1961
    The Sorrowful Madonna speaks:
    "People pay no attention to my motherly warnings, and thus the world is falling headlong into an abyss of iniquity. Nations shall be convulsed by terrible disasters, causing destruction and death.
    "Russia, spurred on by Satan, will seek to dominate the whole world and, by bloddy revolutions, will propagate her false teachings throughout all the nations, especially in Italy. The Church will be persecuted and the Pope and the priests shall suffer much."
    Sister Elena Aiello speaks:
    "Oh, what a horrible vision I see! A great revolution is going on in Rome! They are entering the Vatican. The Pope is all alone; he is praying. They are holding the Pope. They take him by force. They knock him down on the floor. They are tying him. Oh God! Oh God! They are kicking him. What a horrible scene! How dreadful!
    "Our Blessed Mother is drawing near. Like corpses those evil men fall down to the floor. Our Lady helps the Pope to his feet and, taking him by the arm, she covers him with ehr mantle saying: "Fear not!"
    "Flagstaffs (flying the Red Flag over St. Peter's dome and elsewhere) collapse, and power is gone out of the clubs of those evil brutes. These atheists are ever shouting: 'We don't want God to rule over us; we want Satan to be our master!'"
    Our Blessed Mother speaks again:
    "My daughter, Rome will not be saved, because the Itailian rulers have forsaken the Divine Light and because only a few people really love the Church. But the day is not far off when all the wicked shall perish, under the tremendous blows of Divine Justice."
     
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  13. Mac

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    A little reported miracle took place to avert nuclear war, on MAY 13 1984.....
    May 13, 1984 One of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.
    May 13, 1984 An explosion at the Soviets’ Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. The blast also destroys workshops needed to maintain the missiles as well as hundreds of scientists and technicians. Western military experts called it the worst naval disaster the Soviet Navy has suffered since WWII.

    A partial acceptance from heaven ,from JPIIs effort?
     
  14. David Wilson

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    Russia is not going to brutally annihilate anyone anytime soon, unless it is in self-defense.

    The only nation annihilating nations has been the United States, particularly in the Middle East. We annihilated Iraq. We annihilated Libya. We tried to annihilate Egypt but that failed after Egyptians got wise to our demonic plans and threw our Muslim Brotherhood puppet Morsi out the door. And now we are in Syria, trying to annihilate the legitimate authorities in Syria. The American-funded and armed "Syrian Rebels" have brutally tortured and murdered countless Catholics in Syria, including Catholic priests. Some of these American-funded "Syrian Rebels" have been caught on video doing things that can only be described as Satanic: in one video they dismember a little girl with a power saw, while she is alive - ALIVE!!. If it were not for Russia's Putin telling America and Saudi Arabia to go pound sand, much more innocent blood would be pouring forth in Syria at the moment.

    You see, Russia has converted and it appears that some in the Western War Machine just don't like it. Too bad.
     
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  15. picadillo

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    David,

    I agree with you on all your conclusions except one, the last one. I believe the consecrations have "cleansed" Russia of the Bolshevik/political zionist parasite that birthed communism which was controlling it. This same parasite controls the western governments and is in fact the cause of most of the wars. Even the one in Georgia a couple of years ago in Russia's back yard. However, I believe that prayer and the consecrations have "altered" the world's landscape and it will be thru the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary which will convert Russia to catholicism and they in turn will help rid the west of this "Bolshevik/zionist" parasite that is wreaking so much havoc on the world.
     
  16. Andy3

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    I wonder if it is actually Russia as a nation or what was born in Russia which is comunism that will anihalate the world?? I also agree with what picadillo said. I feel America has unfortunately become the great satan of the world as so many in the middle east claim. We are resposible for the murder of countless innocent muslims. I heard the estimates are over 2 million people have been slaughtered by us since 9/11. What saddens me even more is why do the good, God loving and fearing in this country allow this? Are we so dumbed down now and so set in our ways of watching our TV and ignoring what is going on because we are so comfortable and feel so untouchable and safe. I do not feel safe at all. I see judgement coming to this country and though I live here, in a way I long for it because God needs to set things right and purge the world of all evil. If I die in it so be it. I am not afraid but do fear for my children and all the innocent children in this country and the world. What happened to America?? What happened to one nation UNDER GOD? God help us. I just can't understand why our military would do these things and follow these orders. It seems like all the good and Godly men of the military are silent or have been fired under this president. It really saddens me to see the murder of innocence whether in war or abortion. It is just not right!!! And it needs to be stopped! I know this murder of innocence is not something new. We saw a lot of it in the bible in both the old and new testament. Sometimes I feel that these poor souls are better off to be murdered and back with God but why must they be tortured? As David said about the little girl in Syria, this is just one example of many such cases that I find and read about and my heart just breaks for these kids. There was a story of one girl recently who was chained up and forced to watch as her parents where murdered and tortured in front of her. Then we come to find that she was not sparred and tortured as well. There is a picture of her with her heart cut right out of her chest. Who and why can this be allowed to continue. If even one child is tortured today or tomorrow then I beg for God's swift justice regardless of if the world is ready or not. When will this evil to others end. How much longer do we have to wait for the end of all evil and suffering. I think it was Billy Graham who once said that he wakes up each morning and the first prayers he says is for Jesus to come today. I too have taken this prayer to heart and ask for it selfishly as often as I can think of it. Lord Jesus if you are not coming today then can you come tomorrow and end all of this pain, torture, suffering and evil in the world. I humbly ask you Lord as a sinner on me knees not even worthy to look up to you on the cross. I am not telling you what to do and truly trust in your will but I am asking you to come soon and end the pain and murder of so much pure innocence.
     
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  17. picadillo

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    This is part of a longer article of the purging of the military

    Obama Firing of Military Reminiscent of Stalin's Purge

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    The unprecedented removal from command, ending of military careers and forced retirements is a sign that a new reign of terror wants to weaken the armed forces. The civilian Obama command, bosses generals and admirals, as if they were lowly cooks or stewards. It is no wonder that resentment and disgust in the officer corps are at an all time high. Before long, the commander of collectivists will be deploying taste testers before he takes his meals.


    The similarities of distrust and fear between the Soviet "Man of Iron" and the latest POTUS should not go unnoticed. Any student of the last century is familiar with the Stalinist mayhem. Russian history is plagued with atrocities, but the reign of Soviet commissars’ is especially brutal. Uncle Joe’s victims of Soviet Terror, is estimated at 20 million killed during the 1930s by V. Chistyakovoy at the height of the purges with 3.7-7.7% of Red Army officers removed.
    Are we witnessing the beginning of an American version of a parallel motivation just at lower levels at this point? The latest edition of our BATR RealPolitik Newsletter is devoted to Obama's Military Purge. Most of the following sources focus on developments that the mainstream media is afraid to cover. A good primer on the firing of senior American commanders is provided in Obama's Purge: Military Officers Replaced Under the Commander-in-Chief.


    "High-ranking officers in the United States military are being replaced by the Obama administration and for a number of dubious reasons." The author of this list, Kyle Becker, concludes: "If the federal government is being abused to silence critics of the administration, or if it is being wielded against those who refuse to carry out illegal and immoral acts, representative government demands not just investigation, but decisive action."
     
  18. picadillo

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    Who is protecting the Syrian Christians? The US or Russia?

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    About 50,000 Syrian Christians want to apply for Russian citizenship. In a letter to the Russian Foreign Ministry, they said that they were not planning to flee Syria, but if threatened with physical elimination, they would pin their hopes on Russia as the guarantor of their survival. Analysts think that despite the difficulties their request may involve, it won’t go unheeded.
    0The letter reached Moscow through diplomatic channels. It says that the West-backed terrorists are prepared to go to any lengths to wipe Christians out of Syria. The authors of the letter have no intention of fleeing the “land on where Jesus walked” and promise to defend their “homeland, dignity and faith”. They see Russia as the guarantor of “peace and stability”. They are not asking for money or humanitarian aid, but just hope to obtain Russian citizenship. “We will be under the protection of Russia if we face the threat of being physically eliminated by terrorists,” the letter says.
    0Considering what’s going on in Syria, their wish to have Russian passports looks justified, Stanislav Tarasov, Director of the Middle East-Caucasus research center, told the Voice of Russia.
    0“For them, it’s a laissez-passer. No one knows what will happen to Syria. Some forecasts suggest that, with or without Assad, Syria may become a confederation, or it may split into three or four parts and cease being single state. That’s why the Syrian Christians are trying to secure Russia’s support,” he said.
    0About 50,000 Syrians put their signatures under the address – medics, engineers, lawyers and businessmen residing in the Kalamoun area near Damascus. The fact that so many people signed the letter throws weight behind it, but on the other hand it makes things more complicated for Russia, said Sergei Sergeichev, a senior fellow at the Institute for Middle East Studies in Moscow.
    0“Not that it puts us in an awkward situation, but it sort of diverts the Russian Foreign Ministry’s efforts as the ministry is obliged to react to that address", says Sergeichev. "We cannot say ‘no’ to those people. But if we say ‘yes’ and then something happens, then we will have to evacuate huge numbers of Russian citizens. And it doesn’t matter whether those are people solely with Russian citizenship or they have two passports – Russian and Syrian. If the president orders evacuation, they will have to be evacuated, which is a very complicated rescue operation.”
    0Syria is not the only country where Christians do not feel safe. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life research organization, Christians are persecuted and harassed in 130 countries.
    0Today, Christians are the most persecuted religious community. Every hour, one Christian is killed in the world. They are killed because of their faith.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_16/Syrian-Christians-turning-to-Russia-for-protection-8756/
     
  19. Fatima

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    Well, I guess that is it then. Our Lady of Fatima messed up bad when she declared that it would be Russia and not the US who should have received the Fatima consecration. She should have know better!!

    Seriously, do you really believe that our Lord desired that a Pope should consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a 'hidden way', in a way the 95% of the world has not even heard of this message, nor its effects (the conversion of Russia)? Would our Lord have wanted Mary's unique roll in the conversion of Russia to be SILENT in the worlds view? What good would the consecration and conversion of Russia be, if the whole world did not give Mary the credit, much less even know that it tool place?

    I contend that when the rightful consecration of Our Lady of Fatima does take place the whole world will know and the whole world will know that the true conversion of Russia will have come from her Immaculate Heart. All the world will know and there will be no doubt it took place. The few of us (.005%) in the world who are even discussing it now will be on the same page with the rest of the 99.995% of the world knowing it took place when it does.
     
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  20. Andy3

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    I am not saying Our Lady messed up at all. I am saying that she warned of Russia because of Communism and its eventual spread around the world. Well, guess what, we didn't consecrate Russia to her so now it has spread around the world even to the US. I am just wondering if it is communism that will anihalate the world now with Russia involved and those involved in the belief of communism and not just Russia alone.
     
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