Eye's to the Sky's Fr. Malachi Martin

Agree. I don’t understand it either. He comes across as a sincere, honest man.

I don’t claim to know a lot about the man but here are some questions.

Does anyone here believe he lied when he said he was shown a copy of the real third secret?

And if he read the secret does anyone believe he would misquote or distort the content (he never gave a verbatim account but he gave important hints: a spiritual AND a material chastisement etc.)

Do you question his account of Cardinal Beas reaction after the meeting in which it was decided that the secret would NOT be revealed “these fools just killed millions of people “.

Does anyone believe his description of the state of the church was exaggerated or biased? He suggested even satanic rituals were being performed at the Vatican.

Does anyone question his true concern for the church and his true devotion to Mary and Jesus?

Do you question the reasons he alleged for leaving the jesuits?

And finally if you have reservations about the man what is it specifically that you don’t like ?

 

This is the book referenced in the interview posted above.

Xavier and monique also interviewed the author in the video below.

To be honest I didn’t watch it. These interviews with Xavier drag on for hours and I don’t have the time to watch them, interesting though they may often be. But for those interested…

https://www.youtube.com/live/UsYjafouJ1c?si=N1I--T_AedlpLZPd

 

I didn't know about Cardinal Bea's reaction. Your questions are very good. They really put one on the spot. The reserve I referred to for my own part was in the context of comparing him to Father Harden, who is a saintly man and in the context of his reservations about Father Malachi, a man who had qualities of a showman and whose career path was somewhat unconventional. However, a saint can make mistakes and those qualities of Father Malachi don't necessarily imply unsaintliness. As Padraig said, he is certainly 'entertaining' and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that in itself. It also carries the additional bonus that at least some of it is very useful information with the possibility of also being edifying.

I still find that book 'Jesus Now' very questionable-it seems to read as a modernist tract, although I confess I could only flick through it. Maybe, you know more about it than I do.

 

Cardinal!! A tall tale. Remember he was from Kerry. A great place for stories.

 

Malachi Martin never claimed he became a cardinal.

 

It's only been revealed posthumously on Marro's new book.

 

These are excellent questions. Keep in mind too that after he blew the whistle on the Jesuits he was suddenly persona non grata. And a lot of nasty rumors were out there. Later they were proven false including the rumor that he wasn't even a priest. He was the original " The Man Who Knew too Much".
What i know is this. He played a huge role in bringing me back to the true Church. For that and for his sound theology I will always be grateful. Rest in peace Fr Malachi.

 

Great questions. I think there is a lot we need to be asking ourselves in regards to this post humous interview. First of all, the guest "was" CIA intelligence. Knowing that the CIA formerly had operations infiltrating the church in the 60's, I don't trust a word he said. This could be another psy-op.

As well, Fr. Martin could have believed he had read the real third secret, but according to the interview he read a translated transcript. For all we know he could have been given a fake secret, with the Cardinals knowing he would likely find a way to get it out into the public consciousness, so they made a ruse. One of the ways which you can protect a secret from getting out is by doing something called "blowing the well". Basically, release a bunch of fake secrets into the wild. Something we know happened as there is a new 3rd secret that comes out every so often. So nobody knows what the real secret is. There could also be fake information released in regards to the secrets, leading people off on wild goose chases. Further adding to the confusion.

Correct me if I am wrong. But my understanding of the third secret is that essentially Our Lady told Sr. Lucia not to write it down, but then she had to under obedience to her bishop. However, Our Lady directed her to write the secret, but without the translation Sr. Lucia was given to understand the secret. So the third secret sounds like it should be written in a kind of veiled language, much like Revelation. Fr. Martin seems to have gotten a copy that wasn't coded or was decoded somehow, which gives me pause as to whether or not he saw the actual third secret.

The officially released third secret is written in veiled language, much like Revelation. It was also released under PSJPII and future PBXVI gave a commentary for it. Two Popes who I trust very much. So personally, I lean to it being the actual third secret. It also points exactly to what was said in the second secret.

Poor Christians in Ukraine, Nigeria, the middle east and throughout the world undergoing persecution.

What is interesting is that Fr. Martin had predicted a future Ukraine/Moscow war in relation to Fatima and said the origins delved into Papal secrets.

 

Malachy Martin specifically mentioned Kiev with regard to the Third Secret when it was on nobody's radar. A direct hit.

Now as regards the mystery of Fatima it still stands…. So Russia is within the plans. Why? Err….that would take me too far afield into papal secrets. Why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem. But they are. They are part-and-parcel and it’s really God’s choice. And it is purely and simply God’s choice. Like he chose the Jews. He has His own favorite solutions. I wouldn’t have chosen Russians or Kiev or The East for salvation. But salvation is to come from the East.

 

True but Fulton Sheen was also a bit of a showman but I don’t think we can find a single member of this forum who doesn’t respect and admire him.

I think Father Martin ruffled not a few feathers and made many enemies who spread rumors and falsehoods which apparently have been mostly disproven.

 

Psy-op for what? Marro was an old friend of Fr. Malachi Martin, he left the agency decades ago. And nothing he documents is in the realm of speculation.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. You're making a far-fetched conjecture that's contrary to logic. The Cardinals were called by the pope to discuss the secret. Translated transcripts were made so that the Cardinals could properly discuss it. Malachi Martin saw the people who entered the room and left. To insinuate that in a short meeting that got heated they went out of their way to produce fake copies and that Cardinal Bea would give Martin a fake copy when the point was so that he could hear Martin's opinion on it is ridiculous. Not only that, Martin's comments regarding the third secret are consistent with every pre-2000 statements made by those who were known to have read the secret, including Cardinal Ratzinger (future pope Benedict XVI).

What new 3rd secret?! Again, the only reason Cardinal Bea showed him his German transcript was to hear Martin's opinion on it. You don't do that by presenting a fake document (which he didn't even keep) that there was no time or reason to produce in that short meeting.

That's obviously false.

Our Lady doesn't speak in riddles. She's consistently concise and straightforward, which only emphasizes the seriousness of what's at stake. Also one of the reasons those in charge chose not to publish it.

Sr. Lucia didn't need a translation. The secret was written in Portuguese, by her hand. And she didn't need to fully understand its contents either. Our Lady spoke about religious and geopolitical things to the three shepherd children they were completely ignorant about. Also, the third secret was meant for the pope so that he could reveal it to the world.

The third secret is a direct message of Our Lady, which is not what the Vatican published. Also, Sr. Lucia has quoted a sentence directly from the third secret in her memoires: "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved,"

You should trust those popes very much. That's beside the point.

The third secret was (and still is) a papal secret. That's what he was referring to. Because he read it and knew its contents.

 

If the author’s account is to be believed Cardinal Bea showed him a German translation of the secret immediately after storming out of a meeting in which it was decided that the secret would NOT be revealed.

There is no reason to believe Cardinal Bea was not in possession of a real translation of the real secret.

 

True. Our Lady doesn’t speak in riddles and the little shepherds often didn’t understand the message they had to convey.

When Our Lady said that “Russia would spread her errors “ Lucia thought that “Russia “ was a bad lady from a neighboring village. They had never heard of Russia and didn’t know it was a country.

But she faithfully conveyed the message.

 

Do you remember that he said, in his final interview with Art Bell in 1998, that the Third Secret has no introductory text? Does that mean it isn’t any kind of explanation of the vision of the bishop dressed in white?

 

Imho, the skepticism has come about due to all the rumors and innuendo spread over the years....(maybe that was the actual psyop?) Father (Cardinal? wow) Martin had my attention in years gone by because of Fatima. I could never get my head around why the powers that be ignored Our Lady. I still can't. It's craziness.

Having just finished reading the book, it's given me a brand new perspective on the man himself, God rest his soul. Imho, this tome is well worth reading because the sincere love of the man's good friend (the author) shines through the words. A loving tribute to a faithful son of the Church ~

 

The CIA infiltrated the church in the US in the 60's. I do not trust anything that comes from anyone in the CIA, current or previously. Especially in these times.

You can say this theory is ridiculous all you want. But there is no credible evidence that Cardinal Bea was ever given access to the third secret, let alone permission to share it with anyone whom he pleased. Also the story that Cardinal Bea was freaking out saying 5 million people have been condemned to death, followed by handing the secret to Fr. Martin sounds entirely like a tall tale. As well, nowhere in the video does it say that Cardinal Bea gave Fr. Martin the letter so he could hear Fr. Martin's opinion.

There have been many fake 3rd secrets that have come out since the 1950s, this is common knowledge. Again, I don't know where it is mentioned where the letter was given to Fr. Martin so Cardinal Bea could hear Fr. Martin's opinion on it. I have yet to encounter it, is it in the book?

You don't get it. A reason why many fake secrets could be put out is so that no one, outside of those in the know, ends up knowing which is the correct message. I simply made a generalization, of course certain insiders will know.

Another thing people can do with fake secrets is hand them out to people in positions of authority and see if they get legs. Finding who can and who cannot be trusted in the process.

"Write what they command you, but not that which has been given to you to understand of its meaning"
"Escreve o que te mandam, mas não o que te é dado entender do seu significado”
Sr. Lucia Santos, January 3, 1944, apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the convent at Tuy, Spain
https://ignatius.com/a-pathway-under-the-gaze-of-mary-2nd-edition-apup/

It is also on the Wikipedia for the secrets of Fatima.

Not according to the quote from Our Lady to Sr. Lucia I gave you above.

No, this quote isn't in relation to the third secret. It is a line she appended to the end of the second secret. This is what she wrote in her memoirs. Nowhere did Sr. Lucia ever say this was a part of the third secret. Also, if I believed the Popes knowingly published lies in regards to the eternal destination of souls, I wouldn't trust them. Of all the Popes in my lifetime who I trust the most, SPJPII and PBXVI I trust greatly.

Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.

 

There is no reason to believe he ever had the secret in the first place, let alone the authority to pass it on to others. Morro came out of nowhere telling a bunch of sensational accounts, ones that no one heard before, which also happens to coincide with him selling a book.

 

I think there’s reason to believe things happened exactly as Marro describes in the book.

I completely believe Cardinal Bea was given a true transcript of the third secret and that he showed it to Father Martin.

But you are correct in that we only have Father Martins word that that happened so I respect your view.

But remember that there is strong circumstantial evidence that Father Martin actually read the secret.

1. everything that was revealed about the secret by those who read it (Cardinal Ciappi, Cardinal Ratzinger etc) is 100% in accordance with what Father Martin was able to reveal;

2. Father Martin said that if the Vatican disclosed a false or incomplete third secret he would be forced to come out and reveal the true secret. He died in 1999. Immediately afterwards in 2000 the Vatican came forward and disclosed what was obviously NOT the real secret (one page only, 23 lines etc. well we know it). Coincidence?

3. Malachi Martin was very devoted to Our Lady. Even his enemies would grant him that. Would he risk standing before the Judgement seat of God after spending years of his life spreading a lie? That he had read what was possibly Heaven’s most important message to humankind in modern times when in fact he did not? And spreading false information about a message that he had never read?

 

One can't beat personal testimony. Our religion is founded on the personal testimony of those who directly encountered Christ.