Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

So, I did a little more research on this Anotonio Socci character who is cited by those who wish to assassinate the character of Cardinal Bertone, Sister Lucia, Benedict XVI and anyone else who defends the fact that the 1984 Conscecration was valid. One of the very first links that I got when I searched for Socci was this website: biblefalseprophet.com which is a site dedictated to proving that Pope Francis is the False Prophet mentioned in the Book of Revelation. This site tags Socci extensively and the second article on their frontpage cites Socci's new book "It is Not Francis: The Church in the Great Storm", a book alleging that Benedict XVI is still pope and Francis is an imposter.

So, just from the little I have seen about Socci, it is evident that this man operates with the modus operandi of the Freemasons, which is to spread lies and attack legitimate Church authority, thereby sowing the seeds of division amongst the Faithful. It is no wonder that the first thing he attacked was Fatima and the legitimate Church authorities - Church authorities, by the way, whom Our Blessed Mother always defers to in matters of private revelation.

Also, one of the comments above seemed to equate the Consecration of Russia with the Triumph, as if they were the same event. This is incorrect. Even Cardinal Bertone and Benedict XVI have stated that Fatima is only partially fulfilled and I believe it was Benedict XVI who at a homily in Fatima some years ago prayed that the Triumph would occur prior to 2017.

 

I think it woud be great if we returned to the Biblical Monetary System of honest weights and measures mentioned in Leviticus but, then again, I have been accussed more than once in my life of being "old fashioned" (I will agree with the "old" part).

It is interesting that you mentioned Putin and the contention that he is on a mission to restore Russia - some would say repair the damage done under "Red" Russia and restore "White" Russia. I think that there may be some truth to that. Did you know that before the Kremlin was "the Kremlin" it was actually the Cathedral of the Assumption, having been Consecrated as such in 1479. The Bolsheviks closed it down in 1918 and stole most of its treasures, but it was reopened in 1990. These facts serve as a reminder that Orthodoxy is the natural state of Russia and Communism was a relatively short aberration in her history, one which Our Lady of Fatima was victorious in overturning. So, how does this relate to Putin? Well, the man pretty much singlehandedly restored Russia from the disaster of the early 1990's to where she is today. It is generally thought that Putin's ancestry originates in the Tver region, perhaps a descendent Mikhail of Tver - a Saint in the Orthodox Church or from the Putyatins clan. If this is the case, then Putin is directly related to European royalty. It is also said that Putin is a spiritual man, and if this is the case then surely he must realize that something drastic occurred on the spiritual level to save Russia from Atheism. Russians are also aware of the power of Consecration, but what if the "Consecration of Russia" meant something entirely different for Russians? To understand why, one must turn to the Russian Icon - "The Conception of Theotokos Derzhavnaya" - which details the fact that the Virgin Mary is considered the actual Tsarina of Russia by the religious appeal of Nicholas II. Russian monarchists believe the reappearance of the icon was an indication that the Virgin Mary was displeased with Russia for dethroning the House of Romanov. They believe that she will hold the Imperial Crown for safekeeping until the Tsarist system is restored, thus the "Consecration of Russia" to Russians may refer to return of Russian monarchy - which Putin's ascendancy represents for many. Incidentally, this Russian icon was brought to Fatima in 2003 and 2014.

 

Richard,

You have done your homework. Russia may in fact invade/save the west from zionist atheism. I believe the west is babylon and is bankrupt/running the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. The same "force" that created bolshevism in Russia and implemented communism there has now done it to the west. To the point that christians are now strangers in the countries they helped build. Enter into the sacred heart of Jesus and the immaculate heart of Mary.

 

Why worry about $$$$ when prophecy makes very clear it will all be taken from us and those alive will depend on God alone. Again we are in the end times and those concerned about $$$$ will not make it. Trust is all that the faitfull will have in the world soon to come

 

Yep. $$$ is simply a necessary evil right now. I have to continue earning it to keep my kids in Catholic School, to keep the bills paid, but that's all I care about $$$ right now. The sooner it all tanks, the better. Charlie said again today that we've seen our last normal Christmas last year, well the next one is coming up quick, better batten down the hatches, brothers and sisters

 

I maybe incorrect. But the Blessed Mother stated the triumph of her immaculate heart and the promised era of peace would take place after the consecration of Russia. Since we have not had either the era of peace or the triumph of the immaculate heart, we need to pray for it . Jesus told sister Lucy the consecration would be late and that his ministers take heed to the lessonof the king of france. One of the King's of France did not listen and 100 yrs later King xiv was guillotined. Maybe, the pope was referencing the triumph of the immaculate heart to take place because the same results could take place. If you study history, the same conditions which led to the french revolution are starting to surface once again. This time it will probably not be limited to one nation, but could engulf much of mankind. I think heaven has been warning us for years, we have not listened, and be not deceived, God will not be mocked.

 

Verne, I was re-reading today, your second message from our Lord that talked about the confusion that would take place. He warned you what would happen if we lost our way and he also promised to be with you as long as you remained faithful and in his grace. Surely we are now in those times that he warned you of 6-7 years ago.

 

I know the bible says his mercy is as great as greatness. Iknow God does not want anyone to go to hell. God warns us and keeps warning us and one day the warning stops and we bring chastisement on ourselves. Iam glad for the extra time, because God knows I have not been faithful. I think you are right we are in those times, but through repentance events can be changed.

 

also, we were already in those days 6-7 yrs ago. we have been in these days for many yrs. For example, in the early 1900's the theosphical society had picked a man who many would term the antichrist as their leader, but he died. At an exorcism in earling iowa in the 1950's, the devil claimed it was the time of the antichrist. In the 1980's, certain new age leaders were ready for a one world religion to rule the world. Also, 1999 and 2012 were important dates for occultic implementation of a worldwide new age. Without going into great detail, it is evident their plans were not allowed to be brought to completion, because God is in control. The proliferation of phenomena , messages, and warnings is to wake up mankind before these events are allowed to take place. Jesus told St Faustina , before the day of justice will come , is the day of mercy. Abortion is evil for many resaons, but a rather insidious reason is its occultic overtones, There are satanic and witchcraft covens who do rituals for the proliferation of abortion, for the simple reason to give their gods more power and manifestation. Another reason why God hates abortion. Blood sacrifice has been a symbol of asking deities for favors for thousands of years. The jewish people sacrificed their children to Moloch in the Old Testament and were sent into captivity. Another interesting sign is to look at the condition of the world when Jesus came the first time and the condition of the world today. When Christ came the first time, majority of humanity did not know who the true God was, so pagansim was the dominant relgion of mankind. After 2000 yrs, mankind is starting to revert to similar conditions that occurred at the time of Christ. Out of 7 billion or so humans, the majority do not God the way Jesus revealed his Father to mankind. So the warning will take place with Jesus on the cross, to let all mankind know the truth of who Jesus is and how he is the way to God. Also, much of the Western civilization has rejected Christianity and the warning will warn us to return to the truth of Jesus Christ and not to follow the false concepts of religious syncretism, practical atheism, moral relativism, and new age occultic practices. I have to remind myself events take place in God's time, not mine. God bless everyone.

 

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says the West has abandoned her Christian roots, has ignored the persectution of Christians in the Middle East, and seeks regime change in Russia as part of a dangerous game of "chicken"

He laid the blame for the escalation on an “aggressive minority” among EU nations, who pursue ideologically-driven grabs of power in eastern Europe, including Ukraine, instead of focusing on the serious problems that Europe is facing due to the turmoil across the Mediterranean in North Africa and the Middle East:

“Exporting any kind of ideology, whether it is democratic or communist or any other kind, won’t do any good,” he warned.

Ideology blinds Europeans to some problems, which Russia believes need to be solved, Lavrov said. For example, EU officials are reluctant to speak about the persecution of Christians by Muslim militants in Iraq and Syria or elsewhere, because they fear that this would be perceived a is politically incorrect. Meanwhile there is a growing Christianophobia in the world, he said:

“Most of EU members avoid discussing this issue. They are ashamed to pronounce it as they were ashamed to put a phrase acknowledging the Christian roots of Europe into the EU Constitution,”Lavrov said. “If you don’t remember and don’t respect your own roots and traditions, how can you respect the traditions of other people?” http://rt.com/news/207927-russia-europe-business-usual/

 

No one is better than the Russian's in spreading propaganda to make them look different then who they really are. They have done it for 100 + years, all the while killing or make go missing anyone in the Russian media who dares to speak outside the kremlin message. Don't by the spin, look at the reality of what Putin's millitary is doing.

 

Verne Dagenais
"If you study history, the same conditions which led to the french revolution are starting to surface once again."

I do history a lot as it happens and I completely agree with you. The truth is that modern systems of govt., democracy etc, just don't work properly if society becomes atheistic. You have to have people thinking in terms of charity to their neighbour, genuinely unselfish patriotism, and the golden rule for society to really function properly, without it we have a selfish free for all which will inevitably collapse.

And it's definitely on its way there now...

 

Jeff nyquist website has many articles substantiating your viewpoint. So does a golitsyn books new lies for old and the perestroika deception. It is comical the 2 main political parties in Russia, last time I checked were Putin's party and the communist party. Also, why is Lenin's body still on display in Russia if real change has come to Russia? Finally, there are interesting parallels between Lenin's new economic policy in the 1920's and Putin's policies. In the past the Kremlin, has been an expert in disinformation propaganda. According to recent defectors, the kremlin is still doing it. Look at the number of journalists who have spoken out in Putins's Russia, who are either dead or in prison.

 

I was so glad to hear Verne does not believe the Consecration has been accomplished.

This has been my own feeling and there are some very,very good arguments on both sides.

As to the possibility that Church authorities could lie and cheat. Well I am afraid they could and have. If you don't believe me look at the life of poor old Padre Pio. They had that poor man tortured.

 

As his spiritual influence increased, so did the voices of his detractors. Accusations against Padre Pio poured in to the Holy Office (today the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith). By June 1922, restrictions were placed on the public’s access to Padre Pio. His daily Mass time varied each day, without announcement to diminish the crowds, and he was ordered not to answer correspondence from people seeking spiritual direction. It was also rumored that plans were being developed to transfer Padre Pio. However, both local and Church authorities were afraid of public riots and decided that a more remote and isolated place than San Giovanni Rotondo could not be found.

Despite the restrictions and controversies, Padre Pio’s ministry continued. From 1924 – 1931 various statements were made by the Holy See that denied the supernaturality of Padre Pio’s phenomena. On June 9, 1931, the Feast of Corpus Christi, Padre Pio was ordered by the Holy See to desist from all activities except the celebration of the Mass, which was to be in private. By early 1933, Pope Pius XI ordered the Holy See to reverse its ban on Padre Pio’s public celebration of Mass, saying, "I have not been badly disposed toward Padre Pio, but I have been badly informed."




cf:

http://te-deum.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/st-padre-pios-response-to-persecution.html

 

The Fatima Centre
http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/fatima19.htm

What about the 1984 ceremony, in which once again, Russia was not mentioned and very few of the bishops, if any, participated? Here is what Sister said about the 1984 ceremony to her old friend, Eugenia Pestana, two days before that ceremony took place: "That consecration can not have a decisive character." It would not do the trick. It might have some benefits, but it will not have a decisive character. That is, it will not produce the benefits that Our Lady of Fatima promised if the Consecration of Russia were done as She had specified.

Let's go ahead with something else Sister Lucy said. In September 1985, eighteen months after the 1984 consecration, Sister Lucy was asked this question: "Has he, (meaning John Paul II) not, therefore, done what was requested at Tuy?" Here is her answer: "There was no participation of all the bishops and there was no mention of Russia."

The questioner was persistent, so he asked another question: "So, the consecration was not done as requested by Our Lady?" Consider what this questioner is asking Sister Lucy to do. An obedient, cloistered nun is being asked to say that the Pope had not done what some very prestigious people were saying he had done. And while Sister Lucy is obedient, she's also completely and utterly honest. She is the messenger of Our Lady of Fatima. And so here is her answer to the question: "No. Many bishops attached no importance to this act."

 

Exactly what I have posted many times on this forum from our Lords message to Verne on the very subject of the consecration. Our Lord told Verne "only a blind man could not see the consecration has not taken place." We pray for this every night after our family rosary.

 

Wonderful, Padraig! Thank you for posting this.

 

The stray dog was my favourite, David.

A doggy saint.