Charlie Johnston.

Its not that Charlie's rescue does not fit with Garabandal, it doesn't fit with any other alleged prophecy such as Luz de Maria, God Speaks Will You Listen (GSWYL), which I contend is the most explicit, understandable and believable compendium of the present moment, throughout the tribulation and the period of the Antichrist and into the new earth I have ever read), Mark Mallett's writings, Pedro Regis messages and dozens more. If Charlie is right, he will stand alone in his assessment of the storm period and the rescue and all the other alleged prophecy will be of little avail.

 

Charlie's Angel told him that Garabandal was true and that's about all he knew about it. I read in the comments people explaining what the girls actually saw and said, he did comment later that perhaps the warning will be the rescue by Mary. Anyway, I can't resist posting this picture from Charlie's blog that someone did up.

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Cute pic....didn't know that Charlie was also told about another apparition site, Garabandal, that it was true. I know that he said he didn't believe in Medjugorje and he would have continued to not believe in it but for his angel telling him that it was authentic as well.

.....but if Charlie thinks that the Warning could be his Mary "rescue" then he's got the wrong year....since the Warning, via Garabandal, is said to come in an even year!

 

I think miracle is in even year but not warning. I may be wrong though.

 

This does indeed seem to be the problem (I could add quite a few other names here, starting with Don Gobbi). Reading through the comment threads to some of Charlie's posts I have the impression that there is considerable conceptual confusion among the commentators.

What can certainly be discarded as incoherent is the interpretation offered by some of them that the eschatological Era of Peace will come in late 2017, if what they are talking about is the millennium of Rev. 20, which is the impression that they give from quoting Fr Iannuzzi (despite the fact that his writing doesn't support such a view). This scenario is obviously anti-Scriptural as it ought to be evident on exegetical grounds alone that the 'thousand years' (however one might interpret that symbolically charged number) of Rev. 20 only arrive after the downfall of the Beast/False Prophet and Christ's appearance in Rev. 19.

As I understand it, Charlie's own viewpoint is different again, as he considers that the present storm is penultimate, to be followed by a lengthy period of reconstruction beginning late next year before the eventual coming of the Son of Perdition at a much later stage. There is nothing contrary to faith and morals in this view as far as I can see, nor is it self-contradictory. It is however difficult if not impossible to reconcile with the 'prophetic consensus' mentioned above (which, if you total it up in the various languages concerned, runs to several thousand pages of convergent material) which locates the coming of Antichrist much closer to the present time.

So... there is something that doesn't quite add up here, but I can't work out exactly what. Has Charlie (or his spiritual advisers) over-interpreted what he is adamant that he heard directly? Could the 'Rescue' in question be a more geographically localized event? Or might it be the case that it was communicated to him many years ago and that the timeline has since changed because of an extension of Divine Mercy? Or...?

Saying this doesn't change at all my appreciation for the very many positive aspects of what Charlie is doing: above all, his central concept of taking the 'next right step' can only be beneficial... Even if he turns out to be mistaken come the end of 2017, I wouldn't label him a 'false prophet'. Proclaiming the 'Rescue' in a more general sense is an absolutely valid spiritual concept in that we are all called to live proleptically , i.e. in anticipation of and according to the values of God's coming Kingdom. Or, to put it in the words of the letter to the Hebrews, to 'taste the powers of the age to come' (Heb. 6:5). We don't have to wait for some cosmic event to live that reality now, because we ourselves as Christians are called to be that event. As was already the case in the first century. In the broader scheme of things, the Rescue effectively began with the eschatological event of the first Easter.

 

Mark Mallett just wrote about this as well: http://www.markmallett.com/blog/fear-fire-and-a-rescue/

My personal take on Charlie's rescue in late 2017 is what he has said, that things fall apart badly in the months leading up to it and chaos has erupted and we'll literally fear for our lives. But then the rescue which means we'll know we've been saved. To me, that doesn't mean that things are glorious immediately thereafter, but simply that we know heaven has our back and we'll be ok, but that there will be a lot to go through to get things back to "normal" but we'll know, due to the rescue, that we'll be ok.

I agree with you Peter that there does seem to be a consensus amongst the commentators on his site that once late 2017 and the rescue comes that we'll all be fine and go forward in peace. I don't agree with that though, I simply think we'll know it'll be ok as heaven is on our side (if we've chosen heaven's side, that is).

to paraphrase it, I would think if you're at sea alone, and your ship sinks and you're afloat, alone, and struggling to keep your head above water, fear would set in and you'd lose hope. But if you saw a light on the horizon of a ship coming, you'd know you're going to be ok, as long as you can keep treading water till the ship arrives and hauls you aboard. So, I take the rescue to be a moment where the hopelessness goes away as we see that light on the horizon coming, but we'll have a lot to do before we're on board that ship that has come to rescue us, but at least we know we're not alone . . .

 

A portion of Mark Mallett's latest. He certainly thinks a lot of Charlie and gives him his compliments. He feels compelled though to point out some inconsistencies....esp. when they are causing some to have certain expectations that may disappoint in the long run:

Moreover, I have come to know Charlie personally and can say without reserve that he is a stalwart defender of the faith, a man of great integrity, sincerity and selflessness. He is not your typical “seer”; he hasn’t changed his name to “Charles of the Sacred Heart” while flaunting his decades long encounters with angels (in fact, he tends to downplay them.) And neither is he afraid to scrap with his adversaries rather than hide out of a false sense of humility. Too much is at stake to let others continue the status quo rebuttals that keep others bound in fear and apathy, he says. I agree.

However, recent letters to me in the past few months reveal that many assume that I am on the same page as Charlie regarding all his alleged revelations. Most notably is his claim that an “angel” has revealed that a “Rescue” is coming toward the end of 2017 in the midst of terrible turmoil that will end “the Storm” and usher in an “era of peace” and a period of rebuilding. After much reflection, I feel that I have an obligation to respond to those letters, if only to enhance our discernment at this hour. For some people have written me thinking that all our troubles will end next Fall… and I think that could be a setup for great disappointment.

Mark then goes on to help clear up the differences, for those interested, in his usual humble and loving way that is just Mark Mallett's:

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/fear-fire-and-a-rescue/

 

Yes, the warning is in an even year.

http://motheofgod.com/threads/garabandal-news.2443/page-210#post-97029

 

I would suppose, no matter what happens; "the future will take care of itself if we remain spiritually prepared for anything. This has always been the advice of the saints, anyway." -Colin B. Donovan, STL

 

I have always liked Charlie and enjoyed reading much of what he posts. I concur whole heartedly with him that we must learn to 'take the next right step', meaning to discern what God's Will is for us at the moment and not worry about tomorrow. Christ said as much in scripture. I think he is a very faithful man and is a mentor for many in the faith journey. But, I have gotten in trouble before on MOG, because I could never get a specific definition of what the "rescue" means. FP gives more clarity to what Charlies 'rescue' means than I have read before. FP said," but then the rescue which means we'll know we've been saved. To me, that doesn't mean that things are glorious immediately thereafter, but simply that we know heaven has our back and we'll be ok, but that there will be a lot to go through to get things back to "normal" but we'll know, due to the rescue, that we'll be ok".

If what FP say's, is what the rescue means, than I can buy into it. Once the Warning (or Charlies rescue) comes all will know absolute truth, as God will reveal to each soul whatever they believed that was false and once the soul repents and say's YES to the truth of God they indeed will be 'ok' or 'saved' insofar as they will receive a "Pentecost" moment where the Holy Spirit will give us his gift and fruits to withstand the onslaught of the AC and the final climax of the 3 day's of darkness prior to entering the 'new earth'. Once the AC reveals himself the abomination of desolation begins (no public celebration of the Mass) for 3.5 years. This in a nutshell is what many credible Catholic resources foretell and I am convinced it is so.

 

I had sort of allowed for something that Mark M expressed.....that perhaps Charlie could be indirectly speaking to the Miracle that could appear in 2017. Many place it in Apr. but who knows for sure. I had thought that such a miracle would serve to give hope to those who, after coming through the Warning and really working hard to continue repenting and hanging in there, would need that kind of reassurance from heaven of God's (and His mother's) great love so they won't feel alone. That doesn't lead directly into the New Era but would seem to be necessary while all the other bad stuff that will also follow the Warning by those who cannot convert and wish to destroy all those faithful begins later big time. Hope to go into that other side of the Hurricane as Mark explains, after the eye's momentary calm.

 

I just found this today about the warning....some really good thoughts on it....you all might like it as well.

http://afterthewarning.com/the-warning/the-coming-illumination.aspx

 

Didn't CJ mention a year or two back that he thought that we were already going through an illumination of conscience?

I'd research it if I had more time. Maybe someone's memory is better than mine??

 

Yes.

 

A very good blog by Mark Mallett indeed. Tough to argue with solid prophetic consensus. Mark's resources are par excellence. The one resource I wished he had added however, as it builds within the same consensus as the other alleged messages he mentioned, are the ones from GSWYL www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org (especially Vene Dagenais messages starting on page 17). All of what Mark spoke of in his last blog is in that book and in his chronological order.

 

Peter, could it be that Charlie is given the gift of prophecy, but not the gift of discernment of prophecy? I know in talking with Verne Dagenais, he has mentioned to me, on more than one occasion, that he didn't know if the messages he was given were true or not (at least some of them). In fact for a period of time, after Cletus made the book (GSWYL) he set them aside for a period of time, as he was unable to discern if they are all of sound faith or not, even though several priest with discernment in this area acknowledged there is nothing in his messages contrary to faith/morals.

 

I don't know if you have read Carol55 , Padraig's take on what he has seen regarding the illumination and shortly afterwards. It really is something. I often think about walking down the middle of the street and looking into the bay windows of homes on a summer's evening as the sun starts to set. People milling around a neighborhood talking about what has just happened ALL OVER THE WORLD. People hugging, crying and the work we will have to do, explaining especially what the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary are wanting us to do in the world---will just begin. We will be commissioned and we will teach and love, and bring joy and acknowledge God, take the next right step and be the sign of Hope that people will now have to TOTALLY CONVERT. PADRAIG...Please post this somewhere soon so we all can re-read it!!

 

Like I said in my last post to Carol55, Charlie's take on the rescue SOUNDS LIKE what Padraig has seen...it is the beginning of the MASS CONVERSION...

 

Cross-posting from Discerning Apparitions thread:

earthtoangels said: ↑
Anyone else think this latest offering by C. Johnston a bit weird and convoluted?

https://charliej373.wordpress.com/2016/08/25/all-in/
Yes. Absolutely. Charlie Johnston seems preoccupied with his critics and loves to trumpet his alleged "successes," all the while excusing failed predictions.

What struck me as most strange in his latest post was the discussion of why he refused to obey his spiritual director and ask a question of his "angel." I cannot remember reading about an approved mystic rejecting the suggestion of a spiritual director--especially when the director apparently wished to "test the spirits" by proposing a question. All the talk about "personal responsibility" seems to me a way of evading answering questions.

Since Charlie scans the internet and this forum, I hope he answers directly!

 

I believe that Charlie J. has credibility, in large measure, because what he foresees reflects what I believe has been "coming-down" for the past 20+ years. Charlie does not give a damn if you believe him or no! He is just "putting out-there" his vision .. take it or leave it! We will know in "Short Order" if his visions are the "Real-Deal". Ya don't need Charlie or Padrig or anyone else to figure out, if Ya have 1/2 a brain, that The SHTF Moment is Upon Us. Ya can sit on your A** waiting for another "SIGN" or get off your A** and get PREPARED ... Spiritually, Mentally and Physically ........... and don't come crying to me empty handed after The SHTF ... 'cause ... God Give Me Strength .. to ..... !!!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!