Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Ezdras, Dec 13, 2016.
Are you saying that the mother cannot see more than her little child?
Mary The Most Holy Mother of God definately sees all! and she is watching as you refuse to answer a simple question pertaining to the truth of Her Son and His Church.
All you have to do is write.......... Jesus is God and He rose from the dead! defeating death and sin!
It is easy to write if you believe in the Holy Catholic Church's creed.
English might not be a problem for you, but I'm afraid that the English you use is a problem for me because I have trouble understanding it.
Deliberately couching your message in confusing terms strikes me as rather rude, similar in a way to whispering in company. I'm not going to answer your questions because this is a discussion forum where we freely share opinions, information and knowledge in an effort to help each other. If I wanted to test my knowledge in a quiz I would go to a quiz website.
Is this an inquisitorial forum? Therefore, neither will I answer. Because between to believe and to believe is great difference. This forum is evangelical only for one reason: The dicsussions are strikingly similar to dicsussions between Jesus and Jews.
It is commendable that you communicate in English with us. However; you must comprehend that your usage of the English language, particularly your syntax, is at times baffling and confusing to the readers here. And obviously, while you may understand what you write, unfortunately, we do not. So, often we have to ask you to clarify, just to understand your meaning. Please do not take offense. Our Lord expects us to be charitable with each other, and use this opportunity to try to understand one another, in all humbleness.
It is not truth. (Almost) nobody asks me to clarify, and if asks, he asks me to clarify sentence, which I said on purpose opaquely for lack of humility, love and also for lot of curiosity. Instead people asked me, when I pushed them into "a corner", their behavior is similar to wild beasts which bite and bark.
People have in yourselves the Babylon and therefore cannot understand. It is not only about my syntax. Jesus spoke in parables and almost nobody understood and now understands him. Only the Holy Spirit can illuminate the words. This is fruit of their false prophets! They heard them with curiosity and ate the sweet fruits of their. Sweet fruits full of spiritual poisons. But they forgot the stone with a bitter core. Every drupe you eat has a stone. Spiritual poisons caused in them the Babylon.
Holy Jerusalem could be only in people with firm faith or in people illuminated by the Grace of the Spirit "Explainator"
I had to leave this forum in the summer, because the crowds of Gomer began to attack and offend instead asking. I have to leave this forum now for the same reason. If people will want to leave the Babel, I will return.
And look in the past. Who conquered over the first Babylon? Medes. And Russians and Medes have the same blood and halogroup Y. Read Ezekiel! Who is mentioned among the crowds of Antichrist? Your father Gomer. Our father Madai conquered the first Babylon and Russians will conquer the today world, if it will reject the Grace of the Warning. Russians are prepared as the scourge of God, but not they are bad, because the instrument is not bad. Bad are people who follow the spirits of hatred, division and pride.
Most here defend the Russians, as far as I can see. We're more inclined to ' bite and bark' at the Obama/Clinton war criminals, I would think.
I defend Russia for what is good and criticize for what is bad. I have other language as my mother language too. I'm at odds with mainstream view.
I think we lose little the scope of this thread, that us, shouldFatima fulfill by Oct 2017 we may walk into the era of peace as soon as November less than 11 months!
Here were views that is just the start of great tribulation. We do not know. Our Lady didn't talk of antichrist in the known parts of Fatima, Garabandal, Medjugorje, etc. Indeed there are numerous locutions that talk about that. But if even angels and Jesus don't know...If we know the antichrist comes tomorrow we will know the exact day when Jesus comes too. Apparently that wouldn't be known up until it is a done fact. Does it mean we should be microchipped? No! But even that we can't be sure to be the mark, it seems to be today, as it seemed something else 100 y ago. So we don't know. I guess, Great warning will tell us.
I forgot where I read Fatima original paper has date. I remember clearly. Was it a priest who had a leak and wrote a book? I just don't recall it. But even the semi official Neues Europa has a relative date. Why so convincing pope John Paul and card Ratzinger in2000 if they didn't know a date? Most likely it was given as time period related to end of century or a major feast. That is what I can say about it.
Strange how many do not want to consider soon to happen happy end. Great warning is said to continue minutes, miracle will happen in one day, Chastisement 3days. We can very well have all done by summer. Sure chastisemdnt will be terrible, but that's why it is promised the era of peace! I'm optimistic then..!In less than 11 months the current world will be transformed ...For thousand years or less? Before the final end times? There are many such views as you know well. That the current era however bad does not equal to the great tribulation for a number of reasons. Of course there are those who present arguments contrary, time will tell
I do not understand why this tread was sidelined after an absurd spat of someone that didn't have much to do with the topic...Many important things have been said there. Should someone type them again and again in other threads? Malachi Martin is far from being exhausted. I quoted old tread that said quite much of Martin's last interviews. Is that not interesting for the posters too. I just don't understand. I came back to this forum months later because now it seems Fatima comes to conclusion. And here are people who know all of that. Good if they post in other threads. Bad if they just wait the date when pope Francis will announce the 100th anniversary...It might be too late
This is one good substantial thread that should continue. Not because I started it but because it says important things and quotes important people, like Malachi Martin.
This forum should rediscover it's original purpose. If I want to read negativity about papacy, there are other sources and more informative.
I am here not to sell out my views, even less to change my views regarding the church, but to hear something more about recent prophecies and apparitions I don't know!
If there isn't such drive after the holy Christmas, I dont know why should I lose time anymore. Again, if I want to read how bad the Catholic hierarchy is, I could watch Steve Quayle who speaks much more erudite than the respected posters here who do that for whatever reason. I could learn from him and other protestants because they are both intelligent and knowledgeable, although i do not agree with them.
I would not need forum like that for such a purpose.
Forum like that should have had for a purpose to make more clear messages of the Mother of God, from recent apparitions that may not be all officially approved but which are not banned either.
Thanks for your time to read that! Happy new year 2017 with 10 more months left for everything to unfold, according to Malachi Martin, and pope Benedict during his own papacy term! All of us know that time won't be forever. We enter into the final 10 months. Valuethe time and opportunity God gave us to make His ways known, not ours!
I will give my own dating, for the purpose all devote people who read here to take it as possibility and draw their own scenarios that might be closer to the truth than my own.
Holy pope Francis announced he is going to visit Fatima again on may 13 2017. Why? He was once there and was consecrated to Our Lady by all Portuguese bishops. Then he could choose the date Oct 13 to landmark the end of the 100 the jubilee year.
He goes in may because by may the big final event wouldn't have happened yet and there would still be time to change hearts and minds of faithful.
The final dramatic event should happen within the 100 years. Our Lady could've said, before the end of the century, or before the final month of the century. I will repeat for the last time, there is a date set in the original Fatima paper. I know that from one of the many reports of from Gruber I think. There were many priests who visited SR lucia and who wrote books. It is humanly impossible to remember all that was printed before the internet age...I remember it was said by Fatima devoted source.
Indeed the official release in 2000 wouldn't have happened if both card. Ratzinger and st.pope John Paul hadn't been sure the date set had passed. Only it was not numerical date, so they made the error the who!E world made by celebrating year2000...We should excuse them because they acted in good faith.
If the final event was set three months before the end of century, I.e. before may, then there wouldn't be any need for pope Francis to go...Perhaps the century ends by the date the message was given I.e. July 13 1917 2017 not October! That is proven by the visit moved from October to may. It was intended to be October.
That doesn't mean other events can't happen before may. They are rather likely. Should they be the ones described in Garabandal, or somecombination between different apparitions, we still don't know. Imo they will start no later than march and continue to shortly after may, let fix itto june. Therefore, my thread should be renamed to 3 months more...
2017...only 10 months left? Is it me or has anyone else been able to see beyond 2017...after all...have we seen one prophecy fulfilled...given by the plethora of modern day prophets. Surely it does not take a prophet to hear a train coming around the bend.
If 2017 comes and goes and things remain the same...what saith the prophet?
This is a time to be cautious...but also a time when God is challenging His faithful to trust fully in His Divine Providence. We must be careful to always seek His Will and surrender to His movements of the Spirit.
Maybe 2017...maybe not.
Please listen to Desmond Birch on EWTN...a brilliant man. He gives us the time we live in using Sacred Scripture, Tradition and Church approved apparitions.
It is only audio...no video...very good!
You are saying that the reason the secret was released was because Our Lady mentioned a time frame 'before the end of the century' which was misunderstood as being 2000 when really it was 1917-2017?
And the time frame is in the months leading to May 2017?
Have I missed her exact words? Did she give this indication to Sister Lucia?
Actually some within the Divine Mercy Devotion who are privy to what the intentions of JPII were for the Year 2000 state that he (through the Holy Spirit) intended for "everything" to happen for the Church and the world in that year. That is why he used the years preceding the year 2000 to prepare the world and the Church for such great happenings of Grace. He dedicated each of the preceding 3 years as a big lead up and to educate the faithful and to give time for such education/realization to prepare all for the necessary openness of hearts and souls for such graces. But the Church as a whole did not respond during the lead up to nor understand then just what was meant for that special year, 2000, to the degree necessary and required by heaven for such graces to be given at that time....the time desired by heaven but always working through a necessary response by the Church. (and many could say that such response has not been given as well to Fatima, or, perhaps, Garabandal within the awaited time) And so the time of Mercy.....JPII's entire papacy was about the Unfathomable Mercy as was given to St. Faustina/he realized that.....was extended until his death in 2005....why he did not resign himself but offered all up for the accomplishment of this Mercy mission. Now since 2005, time of his death, "Justice" has been "kissing" Mercy and gradually overcoming it until the Warning after which there will be only Justice.
This cooperation of the Church is always required and respected by heaven. And this is often why original messages/prophecies speak to expectations by heaven and graces intended to be given within a particular time frame determined by God, but when such intentions are not met with the cooperation of the Church and/or the faithful then we see that graces are lessened from what was expected or delayed or missed altogether. If then certain "miracles" expected from messages that outlined the desires of the Father for His children do not come to fruition during humanly expected or reasoned times it could be due to the lack of response also expected by the Father to merit such graces....and isn't necessarily because the messages or "messengers" are fraudulent. The simple ones give only what they are told or are given and why so often they give no interpretation; just what they are told at the time that is the intention of heaven at the time.
Hi appreciate the long reasoning. I don't think the heaven has changed the schedule the date that we know from from Gruber's magazines it exists on the original paper. No matter the response of the church. Heaven is not earth institution. Newer apparitions such as Garabandal Medjugorje others also speak of dates kept secret. The events are dated.
I will repeat again for those who did not read the first five pages, and they should. Malachi Martin gave 20 year period in 1997 that won't be reached. Pls see the link to older thread in this forum as well as his original radio interview now on YouTube. That should be enough as for the relative date, although we have pope Benedict's words in Fatima, fr Amorth expectations,
I'm not going to repeat that again for everyone who would say, interesting but Our Lady didn't say it. Well none of us knows what Our Lady said! What we have are at best leaks of partial disclosure. Ironically, when the events befall us this March or earlier, it would be latesome cardinal to say, look Fatima predicted it!
If nothing happens...Didn't I write about that too? I'm not a prophet and don't care what you say of me. I care to be personally prepared and find it important to share what I reach to with people who care too.
Schism in January, political turmoil In Jan or Feb and then whatever should be expected as the start of secrets. Final event before july. Era of peace before on or shortly after Oct.
I agree no change in dates for these events but I am not certain that what you state will happen. Instead, I pray the Warning occurs which prevents a schism but also increases chaos in the world until things settle again. I don't believe that we will have entered an Era of Peace by the end of 2017 but by the end of the year some major events will have taken place which will set us on course for that to happen in a few years. Time will tell.
Before I come as the just judge, I am coming first as the King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort:
All light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be a great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and the feet of the Saviour were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day.”
Planet X, Nibiru planetary system forms a Cross in the heavens!
....and just as an added little "tidbit" of info given to Faustina:
“Most of the souls there are those that disbelieved that there is a hell.”
St Faustina was also shown hell: “Today I was led by an Angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of torture I saw:
the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God;
the second torture is perpetual remorse of conscience;
the third is that one’s condition will never change;
the fourth torture is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it- a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger;
the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both others and their own;
the sixth torture is the constant company of satan;
the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.
These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me:
Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin.
I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like.
I, Sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abyss of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. “
Oops! Really meant my comment above for another thread!
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