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Anne the lay apostle & Direction for our Times

Discussion in 'The mystical and Paranormal' started by garabandal, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    As far as I know many if not most young priests and seminarians here in Ireland and in the USA are at their vocations because of the influence of Medugorje.

    I would be sorry to hear they are all nuts.:D
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  2. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    If Holy Mother Church has not given us direction to avoid these individuals, and we don't see anything that goes against our Faith. We should be able to consider the contents without feeling like we are doing something wrong. I am not the discerning type, so just have to go with what I feel in my heart. Or other simple clues.

    We know for a fact Saint John Vianney (hope I spelled it properly) was not a very clever man. He is the patron saint of all Priests. I would not think high degrees in Theology trumps holiness in Gods eyes.

    I remember reading that when the Apostles complained to Jesus about people healing in His name who were not part of their group. Jesus said leave them alone. He did not say they were doing anything wrong.

    I feel we can be far too judgemental sometimes, even guilty myself at times to be honest. God forgive me.
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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I think for me, Julia, one of the wisest things St Teresa of Avila , a great mystic and Doctor of the Church said was this:

    She said if she had a choice between having a wise and learned confessor to a holy one she would always choose the learned one.

    St Teresa knew that sometimes it is best for the heart to be in the driving seat and sometimes it is better for the head to be in the driving seat. In issues of discernment I have always thought it was very much better for the head to be in the driving seat and the heart, to be in the rear passenger seat. As to intuitions and 'feelings' in such matters, well I think they should be locked up in the boot.

    If on the other hand I had to pick a puppy I would let my heart, probably take over and go into the driving seat.

    The Church clearly thinks this too since when it comes to judging such matters she sends in well trained theologians to discern. People who will approach such things in a systematic, well defined logical way.

    As to 'being judgemental' . In my opinion this is the most misused phrase of modern times.

    When Jesus said, 'Judge not less you be judged', He never intended this to mean to dump the powers of understanding He gave us. He meant not to use them unfairly. With lack of Justice. Not that we should not use understanding , or judgement at all.

    You clearly like Ann the Lay Apostle and feel her to be genuine. That's fine, perhaps you are right.

    Other people do not believe her to be genuine, or have doubts. That does not make them bad people. No more than you believing in Ann makes yourself a bad person.

    It should be possible for each side to disagree on such an issue without finger pointing.

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  4. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    To be honest Anne is on the back burner with LTTW. Not pro not anti. But thank you for your good advice. I will take it to heart. God bless you dear Padraig.
  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    One of the best things with these things , Julia , I think is that it all comes out in the wash.

    What is good stands, what is false fails. Its just a matter of giving them time to show themselves in their true colours.

    The devil is is very active at the minute in such things,as is Our Blessed Lady. There is an all out war going on. I think even the angels are scratching their heads at the moment.:);)
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  6. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    Yes!! ... and I know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record ... for those young folks that don't know what that is .. ask your GrandPa;).... Anyway!! Remember!! The Church and ALL it entails is a vehicle that was/is created by the Lord to get US on the "road" to and through the Pearly Gates! As is the case with your family automobile, if it "breaks-down" Ya get out and walk the "road" to your destination! Perhaps an occasional "break-down" is not a bad thing as it causes US to slow down and not get ahead of God!!?? ... and, perhaps, gives US time to think "things" through, assist other "travelers" on the "road" and avoid satan's "potholes"! I'm thinking that most here know the "road" and are quite capable, with God's simple directions, to get Home ... "shanks mare" if necessary :eek:

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  7. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

    I just have a problem with her taking it on the road and turning it into pop psychology...and a family business.

    As for Medj Google Matt Abbott and read his latest column. The Vatican is finally clamping down on this false apparition. The decisions been made. There's a reason the Pope skipped Medj while in Bosnia. And Padraig can you provide some stats and a credible source for your claim that most vocations come out of Medj? I find that hard to believe. Of course God can do anything anywhere if the person is well intentioned. Even and in spite of Medj.
  8. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

  9. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Principalities

    Well Madge as regards priests I heard live Fr Oliver Devine, just to take one vocation, say that a visit to Medgugorje was the reason he signed up.
  10. padraig

    padraig New Member


    'Finally, and perhaps most importantly, anti-Medjugorje critics ignore the fact that, if religious vocations constitute a sign toward the authenticity of apparitions, then Medjugorje must be one of the most authentic apparitions in Church history, being responsible for countless of vocations to the priesthood around the world. Eminent Church members, from archbishops to cardinals and papal advisors, have acknowledged this reality.

    During the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary, on September 12, 1996, Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, the Archbishop of Vienna and—with Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, the current Pope—the main author of the Catachesim of the Catholic Church, acknowledged this striking reality about Medjugorje while addressing an audience of 10,000 in Vienna. He explained: “If I was an opponent of Medjugorje I’d have to close down my seminary since almost all the candidates have received their call to the priesthood through Medjugorje!” What a remarkable and powerful claim – the fact that almost all of Vienna’s candidates to the priesthood came to the priesthood through the apparitions in Medjugorje.


    In a future interview with Gebetsktion Wien, a few years later, this past January, Cardinal Schonborn reiterated this claim while explaining why he came to Medjugorje as a pilgrim in 2010. “I will just repeat what I once said in one interview: if there was something wrong about Medjugorje, we would have to dismiss half of our seminarians, since so many of our priestly vocations are both directly and indirectly related to Medjugorje.” Not only did Cardinal Schonborn acknowledge the fruits of faith present in Medjugorje through the immense influence the apparitions have had on priestly vocations but, equally important, he explained how much the sacred example of Medjugorje’s visionaries played a role in inspiring his pilgrimage to the village. “…was in Vienna last year and I spoke with him, Marija Pavlovic Lunetti this year, they were both in Cathedral of St. Stephen and I gave my permission for those events. Both of those two encounters have impressed me so much, primarily because of modesty, simplicity, clarity and heart warmness of those two visionaries. That only strengthened my decision to quietly and simply come to Medjugorje.”

    Archbishop Georg Eder of Salzburg, Austria, also recognized the undeniable connection between Medjugorje and religious vocations. His words are as powerful as they are urgent for a European culture that has lost its sense of the spiritual. A sense that has been reawakened through Medjugorje. Archbishop Eder explained:


    “My impressions here are not surprising. I know that groups from Salzburg very often go to Medjugorje, that new prayer groups are constantly started, that there are more and more people who say: ‘In Medjugorje I received my vocation!’”

    The Archbishop further added – “I am reflecting: We are losing three things that we are getting back in Medjugorje: penance, conversion and vocations. In Austria we look in vain for these things. Conversion is not mentioned anymore because people do not need it; Confession is dying out with us except in shrines and in the churches of religious orders where this sacrament is sought and lived; spiritual vocations are less and less. In Medjugorje this is happening constantly: Confessions, conversions and spiritual vocations!”

    It is fascinating how in a European culture like Austria’s, wherein faith is constantly ignored and on the decline, hope emanates from a distant Bosnian village. Both Cardinal Schonborn and Archbishop Eder have implied that, if it was not for Medjugorje, then Austrian Catholicism—at least in the realm of priestly vocations—may become obsolete. Thus the influence of the apparitions has played a monumental role in reawakening the spiritual life in Austrian Catholicism.

    Bishop Paolo Hnilica, an esteemed Jesuit who was close friends with Cardinal Karol Wojtya and, later, a close papal advisor once Wojtya became Pope John Paul II, also acknowledged the fruits of Medjugorje. He once noted about John Paul II: “The Pope, for his part, recognized a long time before that supernatural events are really at work in Medjugorje!” But beyond John Paul II’s love for Medjugorje— (see, “Pope John Paul II – Medjugorje ‘spiritual heart of the world’”)-Bishop Hnilica himself could not ignore the overwhelming impact that Medjugorje has had in influencing both vocations to religious life as well as miraculous healings. He once noted:


    “So many are the people who have experienced the presence of Mary at Medjugorje that they cannot be counted, just as the stories of spiritual and even physical healings can no longer be counted. Countless, as well, are the vocations to the priesthood and the consecrated life born of the grace of Medjugorje. These are just some of the main spiritual fruits which have brought many to the conclusion that the Queen of Peace is truly present in Medjugorje.”

    Since many of the seminarians who have been inspired to enter religious life as a result of Medjugorje, both future priests and nuns, are young people, this reality itself – Medjugorje’s influence on the youth in converting to, and renewing, the faith – could not be ignored by Church leaders. In 1983, only two years after the apparitions began, Cardinal Kuharic, then-Primate of Croatia, reflected: “How can I doubt that Medjugorje is God’s doing?…Do you know that half a million young people have surrendered to Christ? The Lord is stirring this country! They need fifty to sixty priests every weekend just to hear confessions and to counsel these young people! And it’s all because this apparition!”


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  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Fr. Donald Calloway, the popular American priest of the Marians of the Immaculate Conception who is a leading proponent of the Divine Mercy devotions, and the author and editor of numerous books on Mariology, was another young person who experienced the grace of Medjugorje in his remarkable conversion story and in his road to the priesthood (see the story, “Father Calloway – Saved by Medjugorje and the Virgin Mary” on MinistryValues). Fr. Calloway, who studied at the Franciscan University in Ohio and at the Dominican House of Studies in Washington, D.C., acknowledged that even in America—where we often are reminded of the shortage of vocations—Medjugorje has played a central role in encouraging young men to pursue the priesthood. In an interview that Fr. Calloway gave in February 2004, he explained how many young men he met in seminary who were as inspired by Medjugorje as he was to pursue the vocation:

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    I loved every minute of Medjugorje. I’m going back in March. It’s the edge of Heaven, wonderful…Our Lady is building up this army, this whole new generation, layer by layer. Rank by rank they are coming out of seminaries to take their places. There’s a whole generation of priests coming, and they’re just like me. No nonsense. I always tell people, get ready, because it’s coming to a parish near you…We’ve been formed by the Blessed Virgin Mary and her apparitions. So many of the guys I knew in seminary, they loved things like Medjugorje or Betania or Amsterdam or Kibeho. They don’t have a problem with it. They bite onto truth like a shark, and they’re going to be the guys in the seminaries teaching. They’re going to be in parishes. One cardinal said if it were not for Medjugorje, he would have hardly any seminarians. I compare it to Guadalupe.”

    Even men who have been ordained for many years have been attracted to Medjugorje, including countless of bishops from the international world. Bishop Stanislas Lukumwena Lumbala from Kole, Congo, once made the fascinating observation about Medjugorje: “One should not worry about approval all the time. The approval will certainly be given. Bishops come, and they come to pray. There is something that we are drawn to, som[​IMG]ething that has impressed us. Little by little, Medjugorje will be approved!”

    What is that mysterious something—as the bishop speaks of—which draws bishops, and cardinals, and countless of young people, and pilgrims to Medjugorje? What is that something which inspires massive conversions and leads individuals to religious vocations in countries where the faith seems dead, like Austria or America? Perhaps the answer could be summed up in the words of the late, great pontiff, Pope John Paul II, who once poignantly observed:

    “Today’s world has lost its sense of the supernatural, but many are searching for it – and find it in Medjugorje, through prayer, penance, and fasting.”

    The Belgium-Catholic philosopher Alice von Hildebrand once beautifully wrote in an essay: “Now let us abolish the terms ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’, the terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ which are secularistic. I suggest that we say from now on ‘those who have kept the sense of the supernatural and those who have lost it’. That is the great divide, that is the essence. Do you look at the Church and her teaching, whether dogmatic or moral, with a supernatural eye, or do you look at it with secular lenses? That is the divide. Left and right confuses the issue. Let us rediscover the greatness and the beauty of the supernatural…”

    At Medjugorje, countless of people, young and old, have rediscovered the greatness and the beauty of the supernatural, realizing that the miraculous is not a thing of the past but something that exists in the modern world. This sublime rediscovery has opened the door to religious vocations in the most unexpected places, transcending the standards and norms of modern secular culture with a spiritual awakening so profound and powerful that it could only be explained as a grace of God.'

  12. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

    Medjugorge is a false apparition so these are false vocations. Satan's works.
  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    That is what is know as a tautology.


    'Since what I believe to be true, is true any evidence you bring forth to prove what I know to be true is false, since what I know to be true is true'. It is a kind of circle your wagons kind of logic that is impenetrable.

    You cannot reason with it or logically prove it wrong since it believe its own proof is its own premise.

    It is as if I claimed that the world is flat and you placed forward satellite pictures of the world as round. I however replied that since the world is flat the satellite pictures must be doctored.

    A tautology. If it goes on long enough both parties get dizzzy and fall over and die.
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  14. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

    Well at least you are aware of it;). Look the Directive said we are not to lend any credence to Medj. Vicka and Ivan are forbidden from speaking on church grounds. That alone should give you a clue as to what's coming.
  15. picadillo

    picadillo Powers

    Are you Rino? I love Our Lady Queen of Peace!
  16. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    As my father would say,
    Don't confuse me with the facts,
    My mind is made up !:LOL::LOL::LOL:
  17. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

    Seriously? No and why on earth would you think that?? I love Our Lady and she's being blasphemed every day for over 25 yrs at Medj.
  18. Madge 52

    Madge 52 New Member

    Well these people don't want facts. Or the Truth.
  19. Spirit of Truth

    Spirit of Truth Archangels

    Many are defined by what they see, but much of it will seem like straw to what God sees.
    Can 'you' write tomorrow.. God is the author of every unfolding page; of which you can put your good or bad signature to.

    God bless!
  20. Robert Byrnes

    Robert Byrnes New Member

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    Bishop of Kilmore, Ireland.

    The Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur are an official declaration that a book or pamphlet are free of doctrinal or moral error and that ecclesiastical permission for its publication has been granted.

    The official Church diocesan commission is at a late stage of its process and therefore we are delighted to receive the Imprimatur now. We, along with you, peacefully await the outcome of that commission.

    Apostles, thank you for your hard work, faithful support and kindness to us on the staff. We are seeing enormous growth in many areas so please continue to pray for us. We are here for you to support your good work in spreading this apostolate. Hopefully, the Imprimatur on the writings will make your jobs a little easier!


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