2016 Presidential Election Thread

You can't be serious? Shapiro is a anti establishment writer. He is no RINO...look at what you just posted...it's anti RINO

In his own words he bashes the establishment elite....it's just the opposite!

"Because the logic of the Republican Party is, “the conservatives are going to be forced to vote for whomever we choose, that whomever we put out there, John McCain or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump, we’re going to put that person out there and we’re just going to make you vote for that person because they’re better than Hillary Clinton, or better than Barack Obama.” If you don’t say no at some point, gang, you’re never going to get a nominee to whom you can.. "

 

Agree! Wow!

 

I'm sorry Richard....Trump is the ultimate RINO.......

To even suggest that he is a conservative is the best laugh that I'll have all day long. To oppose him is the CONSERVATIVE position.

Trump is the RINO that the other RINOs can't control...but he is still a RINO.

Conservatives object to him for other reasons....that being that he is a RINO! Lol

 

The more you defend the conservative traitor Shapiro the more your credibility suffers here, Beth. Shapiro is on the record stating that he would rather have the unrepentant pro-abortionist Hillary Clinton over the imperfect Trump. Shapiro is a traitor to Conservatism and he joins the ranks of the other Neocon traitors like Bill Kristol, Lindsey Graham, and the 116 Republican elites http://buchanan.org/blog/oligarchs-super-pac-anti-trump-strategy-124921 who have vowed to never vote Trump and instead vote for Hillary. NEVER TRUMP is just another way of saying VOTE FOR HILLARY.

 

Beth, when opposing him means electing Clinton, how can it be the conservative position unless, of course, fiscal conservatism is more important to you than social conservatism because you would have to scour America to find anyone at all more socially liberal than Clinton? If she gets elected you may well find that any religion not preaching to her agenda will have all Federal agencies persecuting them, and you can forget about Constitutional protection once she packs the Supreme Court with like minded judges.

 

Sorry Richard....there are two camps...RINOs who object to trump because he is a RINO that they cannot control. This gang are not conservative.

The other camp are conservatives...both fiscal and social conservatives. That is where Shapiro falls based on the statement that you yourself posted. Shapiro is against trump because he IS NOT A CONSERVATIVES...because he is a RINO like the other republican elite who have controlled the Republican Party.

That is the difference and it is a BIG difference.

Your flip flopping trump is no conservative....

 

I think the problem goes deeper than we thought. Lindsey Graham and the "Republican elite" are the extremists and Trump is merely imperfect but not an extremist. It seems this adds up to authoritarianism, to state it mildly. I think everyone here needs to start praying the rosary for a good president. Discussion only works when people are willing to reason.

 

Sorry Beth, you are imagining a Ben Shapiro that doesn't exist in reality. The real Ben Shapiro is on the record stating that he would rather have Hillary than Trump. End of story. P.S. He's the same Ben Shapiro that was defending that liar and false accuser Michelle Fields.

 

Delorus...you are assuming that trump is a conservative...he is not. He is flipping on issues day to day....hour to hour.

If you base your support on trump on his stated positions, then you are mistaken...they are changing daily. If you trust this character with his history, then good luck with that!

Neither candidate is in my opinion supportive of religious issues....because religion is not in their core.

I want a real conservative....maybe one will emerge...if one does, I'll support that candidate. Trump is as evil and dangerous as Clinton.

 

Yes trump aide lied until tapes proved that it was him...please....don't even bother with this one Richard. Trump is surrounded with thugs....

 

Actually, Beth, the tapes proved that Fields was a liar: her story changed the minute she found out she was on tape. Shapiro and Fields failed in their pathetic attempt to smear Trump and destroy Corey Levandowski's life. It was all a lie from the very beginning: Corey never assaulted anyone. Fields was in the wrong and lied about it and that weasel Shapiro covered for her. Thankfully, all charges against Levandowski were dropped. Justice prevailed.

 

No, she didn't lie....she said she almost lost her balance...it was on tape. Cory said it never happened. She was not thrown to the ground, she didn't say she was. She said he used such force that she was almost thrown off balance. The bruises were there to prove it. That Cory guy is a noted thug.

But who stinkin cares....the real bully is his boss trump. Lied about everybody....planted story that Cruz was having an affair, that his dad was involved in killing Kennedy! Now those lies are coming from trump...how disgusting....what a pathetic lier. Your choice for prez!

 

I'm with Dawn here...take a break.....

Pray the rosary for Gods will to be done!

God bless!

 

Hillary supporters should say the rosary.

 

No, Beth, I'm not assuming that Trump is a conservative. Trump is a businessman and a showman. The best thing he has going for him from my point of view is that he is not Clinton. Other than that, he has succeeded in showing the super rich select few who have been controlling the US Republican party that they are not invincible. I'm in the Anyone But Clinton camp and by that I mean for the Presidency because nobody else can beat her at this stage.

 

I think it time for a new party. Neither party has tried very hard to overthrow abortion, for instance. No where in the constitution does it stipulate voting for any particular political party. Americans have bought the lie that only a democrat or republican can win an election. We are fulfilling Aristotle's oligarchy prediction. Both parties are responsible for the current morass we are in. People are desperate for change, so in walks a guy like Trump, who in any other election year would not have had a chance to win an election. It is probable, electing Trump, is allowing a Trojan horse into our government. We will regret like the Trojans did. The constitution party in 2008, ran Alan Keyes as their candidate. If I recall, he was on 35 state ballots. Their platform, has always been closer to my beliefs, than the current 2 parties. If one is to use the argument, t0 vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil. Which is always wrong. Maybe, we were so seduced as a nation, by materialistic pleasure, that the Fabian socialist incrementalist agenda, went unnoticed. Now the agenda is out of the closet, for everyone to behold. I am not surprised by our nominee choices, because this is what happens when God is mocked. It is a sad day for our nation, when a Godly man or woman cannot be nominated. We maybe be fulfilling the vision alledgedly given by the Virgin Mary, to George Washington. The hope lies in America repenting, not in any political party or person. The Bible says, Cursed is the man who trusts in man. This is how another antichrist could easily persuade people to follow him. The ground work has been laid. It is only a question of timing. The plan hatched by Weishaupt in 1776, in Bavaria and continued by the masonic forces is close to fulfillment. Only several major events can bring this to fruition. The Catholic church and the USA have been stumbling blocks in the fulfillment of a masonic world utopia. Our nation has capitulated to the masonic lies. I know only God, our Father, can clean out the infection in our nation and in his creation. Refer to Isaiah 24. My family and I need to be ready. I believe his intervention maybe closer than I realize. God blessings to all.

 

I have both been amused and amazed at how so many, otherwise good Christians, think that somehow our elected politicians can correct the mess that they have themselves created along with citizens who are blind to the moral decay of America and the rest of the world for the most part. Pro-abortion and now pro-sodomy positions that all to many 'Christians' now support will simply be the last straw in God's restraining hand. Our fate seems sealed as most are now willing to vote for the lesser of two evils, if God even allows an election in November in the US. I now think the great Warning is more likely to come in November in lieu of an election. But before that happens, things will be at their worst globally and it is spiraling downhill rapidly. Bottom line, I have not heard one politician provide the antidote for the moral decay that is now rotted to the core. Kicking out the Hispanics will not solve our moral decay like Trump believes. Neither candidate will end abortion or stop the persecution of Christians that is now taking place in the US. Satan is unchained and the only thing that can stop our decent is a Nineveh moment and it is apparent this will not take place until the Warning.

 

True, but no one here is a Hillary supporter. You know what, we are not Protestants who can read anything into the Bible we want and who can ignore the parts inconvenient to us. Neither can we cut and paste into separate canvases our political, theological and moral beliefs. They are all part of one objective whole. We believe in an integrated, universal truth, and the truth is a Person whose body can't be divided. He made the world that way. You don't get to parse things out like you are unsuccessfully trying to here.

Imagine a non-Catholic or non-Christian reading this forum. That person would see people saying about a man who has supported the Tiananmen Square Massacre, abortion, partial birth abortion, stealing the homes of middle class citizens by a corrupted interpretation of eminent domain, rampant use of executive orders making Obama look like Thomas Jefferson, threatening legal action against those who question his statements, the list goes on, that this man is merely "imperfect". That those who disagree are delusional, supporters of Hillary Clinton and abortionists. The casual visiter to the Catholic forum would see supposed Catholics saying, yeah, he likes China and Putin and abortion and he does not subscribe to any moral code at all and he does not believe he has ever done anything that needs forgiveness, sure, but "no candidate is a saint" and "saints don't run for office". Trump is a just a regular guy, not at all different morally than any of the other candidates who were available for you to support.

Not only do these things mock the natural law according to the vision of the Church, it mocks the natural law according to the vision of the founding fathers, a far more limited view of natural law. He has been wildly reckless with suggestions swinging here and there about the increased violence he would bring to the Middle East. His reckless shifting in military and economic policy, for those who believe you can separate safety and economics and place these above the higher points of the natural law, will create an atmosphere of constant fear and instability, militarily and economically. His suggested, contradictory and constantly changing policies in these areas reveal a complete and flagrant disregard for human life.

Trump supporters, say what you want, Trump does not respect the natural rights of citizens in a democracy, time and time again he has said he would do things by executive order in a government intended to be limited for one purpose: to protect natural rights.

Then, somehow, defying all logic, these same Trump supporters say Trump is the true Republican, all the others are RINOs. Do you know the Republican party is the one that believes in small and limited government? Do you know the Republican party departs from that only for 1 very important morally just cause: an end to abortion? Just google Trump and abortion and see if the Trump supporters mean what they say. They can't. All these positions can't be reconciled. Period.

What is left? Authoritarianism. Trump is outside the bounds of the Republican and Democratic parties in his views on what his powers would be as president. That has been proven time and time again. Yes, Trump makes Democrats look like Republicans. Makes sense since he always has been a very liberal Democrat, and still is, in all his views about the government and the presidency.

When this issue is raised, the Trump supporters throw up their hands and say, well, the world is about to end, what are we supposed to do? Then later, they start talking about the economy and trade again. Well, if everything is about to be destroyed, why do you claim to care about the American worker? Either you don't understand logic or, much worse, you don't care about logic, you want a totalitarian ruler. They always defy logic.

When a political movement can't support itself with facts and logic, it resorts to calling the the people who point that out "delusional" and supporters of "the enemy", whether it be Hillary Clinton or terrorists. I defy any Trump supporter here to honestly say they pray the rosary every day or attend daily mass. Tell us how often you pray. Your discernment is very far off. Either that or you are about to join a Protestant sect. Your values do not reflect the Church founded 2000 years ago, but a "church" in which the arbiter of truth is not Jesus, not the magisterium, but your own god. That may be money or pride or I don't know what, but it can't be Jesus.

 

Bottom line, what does one do when both candidates are in the spirit of antichrist? Blessed Mother say's Pray, Pray, Pray.

 

Thank you Dawn for taking the time to express so perfectly the sentiments of so many here at the MOG.

I know we all want the best for our nation, but settling for the lesser of two evils....for all the reasons you stated, is not an option.

Given the two current choices, I feel as though the election is now over...people who base their life on the word of God now have no current candidate that they can support.

We are in Gods hands wholy and completely.

Jesus, we trust in you.