World Famine

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by padraig, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    During the times of the Roman Empire they had just about the closest thing to World Famines history has seen. The Empire and particularly Rome relied on grain from Egypt , which was shipped into the Port of Ostia. Sometimes though the grain harvest failed when the Nile did not rise enough to inundate the shores and water the fields. They had markers down in Alexandria to measure the rise of the Nile and could tell pretty early when the waters would fail. This in itself a single years failure would not be a particular problem, it really became a problem when the crop filed several years running. Even then some grain could still be gotten from other countries around the Mediterranean basin. We see something of the same trouble in the Bible when Joseph waned Pharoah {by interpreting Pharoahs dream} that there would be seven years of fat and seven years of lean and so
    Egypt was able to store up grain for famine.

    Genesis 41
    :15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph,
    I have dreamed a dream,
    and there is none that can interpret it:
    and I have heard say of thee,
    that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it.
    :16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying,
    It is not in me:
    God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.

    :17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph,
    In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:
    :18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine,
    fatfleshed and well favoured;
    and they fed in a meadow:
    :19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them,
    poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed,
    such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness:
    :20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine
    did eat up the first seven fat kine:
    :21 And when they had eaten them up,
    it could not be known that they had eaten them;
    but they were still ill favoured, as at the beginning.
    So I awoke.
    :22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold,
    seven ears came up in one stalk,
    full and good:
    :23 And, behold, seven ears,
    withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind,
    sprung up after them:
    :24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears:
    and I told this unto the magicians;
    but there was none that could declare it to me.
    :25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh,
    The dream of Pharaoh is one:
    God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.
    :26 The seven good kine are seven years;
    and the seven good ears are seven years:
    the dream is one.
    :27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them
    are seven years;
    and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind
    shall be seven years of famine.
    :28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh:
    What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.
    :29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
    :30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine;
    and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt;
    and the famine shall consume the land;
    :31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following;
    for it shall be very grievous.
    :32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice;
    it is because the thing is established by God,
    and God will shortly bring it to pass.
    [Very important point, when God says something twice it is established,
    there is nothing you or I can do to change things]
    :33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise,
    and set him over the land of Egypt.
    :34 Let Pharaoh do this,
    and let him appoint officers over the land,
    and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years.
    :35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come,
    and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh,
    and let them keep food in the cities.
    :36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine,
    which shall be in the land of Egypt;
    that the land perish not through the famine.
    :37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh,
    and in the eyes of all his servants.
    :38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants,
    Can we find such a one as this is,
    a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
    :39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph,
    Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this,
    there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
    :40 Thou shalt be over my house,
    and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled:
    only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
    :41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph,
    See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.
    :42 And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand,
    and put it upon Joseph's hand,
    and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen,
    and put a gold chain about his neck;
    :43 And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had;
    and they cried before him, Bow the knee:
    and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.
    :44 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph,
    I am Pharaoh,
    and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot
    in all the land of Egypt.
    :45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah;
    and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On.
    And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
    :46 And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt.
    And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh,
    and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

    Genesis 41
    :53 And the seven years of plenteousness,
    that was in the land of Egypt,
    were ended.
    :54 And the seven years of dearth began to come,
    according as Joseph had said:
    and the dearth was in all lands;
    but in all the land of Egypt there was bread. [because they had stored corn]
    :55 And when all the land of Egypt was famished,
    [when the families were finished with their personal stores]
    the people cried to Pharaoh for bread:
    and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians,
    Go unto Joseph; what he saith to you, do.
    [Joseph is the steward, Pharoah recognizes that Joseph is tapped into God]
    :56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth:
    And Joseph opened all the storehouses,
    and sold unto the Egyptians;
    and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt.
    :57 And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to buy corn;
    because that the famine was so sore in all lands.

    In modern times we have never had a world famine for the simple reason is that when one source fails we have other sources to fall back on. For instance when the crop fails in the Northern Hemisphere we can draw wheat from the south. However Australia has had a ruinous crop the last three years and there is no surplus. Europe has used up all her reserves and is desperately short of supplies. In the USA, the Bread basket of the world reserves are the lowest ever recorded. One farmer described it as being like having a few grains left and bare floor boards. Again it is rather like a man who has used up all his supplies of body fat, he has nothing left to fight hunger. More worryingly still weather conditions in places such as Australia show no sign of improvement and so there is no immediate sign of recovering stocks.

    Currently wheat prices and futures are fluctuating wildly and food prices are steadily increasing. What worries me more about this than anything is the fact that nothing of this very,very severe problem is being shown on the news. It is already affecting food being sent to starving people in places such as Africa, the poor being always the first to die. But so severe is the crisis that it will effect us all. :shock:
    Nor indeed is it just wheat that is failing other crops such as rice are failing too: ... aring.html
  2. darrell

    darrell New Member

    Interestingly Padraig, I did see something related to this just in the news yesterday. They showed local bakeries that were having to raise the price of bread because the cost of flour has continued to rise. However, they blamed it on farmers switching to growing corn to make ethanol because they could make more money than raising wheat.

    Personally, I have started raising rabbits. Need to get back to gardening too.

  3. Rain

    Rain Powers

    Darrell, I see you beat me to the comment about the farmers switching to corn for ethanol. It's pretty sad to see, especially since ethanal hasn't proved itself to be cheaper than gas. It's expensive to process, plus get's less per gallon than gas.

    In the end our children will starve from greed.
  4. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Darrell, you cracked me up, I was just thinking about the French and how they used to raise rabbits for food and maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to look into that. I've also been thinking and doing some investigation into making goat cheese. It's a good food, cheap and it might be wise to know how to make it.
    I have a farmer friend who's coming to show me the best place in the yard to put in a garden, even container garden to start. I think it's time I start knowing how to grow food.
  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Me too!

    Hail, hail, the gang's all here...

    This spring Geralyn and I will be expanding the size of our garden. We buy our eggs from a local family. We buy our beef from a local Amish family. You'll appreciate this one, Padraig: in the spring, we're thinking of buying a couple of goats for milk and maybe cheese. Maybe we can all form the motherofgod co-op. :D Unfortunately, shipping food would be a little expensive!

    Too bad I can't sell snow. We just had 30" the other day; we're at 200" for the winter so far with over a month still to go! Yeesh! If we find a bilocation manual, Ger and I could invite you all over for a snow shoveling party. Bring your family and friends! Refreshments to follow! Any orders?

    May we learn to lightly hold onto our blessings, always ready to share with those in need! I'm off to Adoration and will lift you all up to our loving Lord there before me!

    Ps 134:1-2 Come bless the Lord all you servants of the Lord, who stand by night in the house of the Lord. Lift up your hands to the holy place, and bless the Lord!

    In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
  6. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Well folks
    I hope your farming efforts are blessed. We have 2 cows. One had a little calf last week and the calf fell into a drain and was dead by the time we found it. yesterday our 2nd cow who was in a field next to the house got herself jammed in a small hollow in the field whilst calving and by the time we found her her calf was also dead.
    Not a good year! We had only 2 cows. My husband is pretty dejected about the whole thing at this stage, but I am saying ,the trouble is outside the door not inside so we should be grateful.

  7. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Oh Mary I'm so sorry about the loss of the calves. That's a blow. I'll pray for the recovery for every thing involved, cows too.
  8. Mario

    Mario Powers

    So sorry!!


    A week frought with troubles, indeed! :(

    Let's pray and see what good the mysterious ways of God bring forth from this.

    In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
  9. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Lee & Mario
    Thanks you both for your well wishes. We have bought a replacement calf for the poor mother. She kept licking her dead calf and urging it to stand up. Hopefully she will adopt her replacement. I am on a mission this evening to bless everything with holy water.

    God bless
    Mary :? :?
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I opened up my Missal this morning and it opened to, 'A Mass in time of Famine', I didn't even know there was such a thing let alone it was in the Missal!!

    I am sorry to hear about the calves, Mary. But you who have it are, I suspect blessed to be living close to the soil.
  11. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Maryrose, it's a new week, how is the mother cow doing with her adoptive calf?
  12. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    We have to introduce them every morning and confine the mother in case she kicks the calf. When the calf has had his drink of milk we put him in a shed for the day and go through the procedure again in the evening. We are hoping that by Thursday/Friday we will be able to leave them together and that the bonding process will be completed. I noticed that the calf has a runny nose today so we have to watch it that he doesent get a bad cold.
    I watched a T.V. program this evening on a man that is becoming totally self sufficient. He grows all his own veg, raises chickens, has solar panels, wood burning stove etc. He is at it full time. His wife works outside the home. To do all this really is a full time job.
    I think I will try to do something about a vegetable patch this year.

  13. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    I do hope the calf stays well and the mama wants to be a mama at any cost.
    Your tale reminds me of a Chinese movie I rented called Weeping Camel. The poor baby had lost it's mother and was an albino to boot so no body wanted it. Finally they called the priest in for a blessing and they sang to the mama and baby and they bonded. How's your singing?
  14. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    I know I am a nightingale in my head, but my family dont seem to have realised it yet.
    Mother and calf are getting on well at this stage so I think we will chance leaving them together all day tomorrow. Actually I took Padre Pio's relic all around the house inside and out and blessed everything in his name. I am hopeful that we will begin to realise his blessing now.

  15. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Maryrose, that would be my prayer too.
  16. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Maryrose, so tell me how the calf, cow and Padre Pio are doing, any visible changes?
  17. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    The calf has been ill so we are busy nursing him. He got a bad cold. Its a small problem really just very frustating. He seemed better this morning so hopefully next week everything will be good. Padre Pio has been blessing everything. I am trusting.

  18. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Maryrose, you put a smile on my face!
  19. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Sounds familiar!


    I'm smiling too, as I sit here out of commission with a nasty flu. :D Its a small problem really just very frustating.


    I'll offer up my aches and pains for a happy resolution to your situation.

    Praise the Lord!
  20. Lee

    Lee Principalities

    Mario, please be careful with that flu. It requires real rest, like GO TO SLEEP to heal. Many are finding here on this coast that they have a relapse when they try to resume there normal be careful please.

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