Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Xavier, Jul 31, 2022.
I remember that it was commented here on the forum that after the 3 days of darkness there would be a technological setback (to 19th century levels) and that we would live in an essentially agricultural economy without current technologies; in the style of the Amish people.
I remember Our Lady saying this to maybe Marie Julie Jahenny. Not sure. It would be in many ways a great relief in spite of the hardship. hardship.
Though I believe Garabandal to be “authentic” that doesn’t necessarily apply to that or any particular related claim circulating online….There’s information out there that appears to be highly suspect, in my opinion.
Thanks, all, for the responses.
Ok, I think I got it. IT IS CONDITIONAL on whether a SUFFICIENT NUMBER of souls pray and fast and sacrifice etc to avoid the Chastisement of a Third World War. If sufficiently many do, no WWIII. Otherwise, there will be. This is explicitly stated in Our Lady of America Apparition which I reread today.
Article on that here: For more, please see: https://www.ncregister.com/blog/our-lady-of-america-warned-us God Bless.
The relevant part: "In 1984, on Jan. 3 (the Feast of the Holy Name of Jesus), Our Lady of America gave a Final Message:
"If my warnings are taken seriously and enough of my children strive constantly and faithfully to renew and reform themselves in their inward and their outward lives, then there will be no nuclear war.
There must be much more good then evil prevailing in order to prevent the holocaust that is so near approaching."
Our Lady outlined Her Plan for America in the Our Lady of America Apparitions. Regarding these, His Eminence Cardinal +Burke wrote: "“What can be concluded canonically is that the devotion was both approved by Archbishop Leibold and, what is more, was actively promoted by him. In addition, over the years, other Bishops have approved the devotion and have participated in public devotion to the Mother of God, under the title of Our Lady of America.” https://www.ourladyofamerica.org/wordpress/approval/canonical-opinion/
Our Lady of America Warned Us
With the country grinding to a halt, it’s time to consider Our Lady of America’s words and take them to heart.
Our Lady of America
Our Lady of America (photo: Register Files)
April 4, 2020
Our Lady of Fatima cautioned us and gave remedies. So did Our Lady of Akita. So did Our Lady of America.
But instead, the heedless world has been in the hot pursuit of what Cardinal Arinze pointed out as the three major “P’s” — Pleasure, Power, Possessions. A lot of that has come to a halt in the last few weeks.
Most aren’t familiar with Our Lady of America and what she said. Beginning in late 1956, Our Lady came and identified herself as Our Lady of America to bring warnings and solutions. I desire that my children honor me, especially by the purity of their lives, she told Sister Mary Ephrem (Mildred Neuzil), a cloistered nun in Ohio. I desire to make the whole of America my shrine by making every heart accessible to the love of my Son.
Our Lady wished America to be the country dedicated to my purity. The wonders I will work will be the wonders of the Soul. They must have faith and believe firmly in my love for them. I desire that they be the children of my Pure Heart.
I desire, through my children of America, to further the cause of faith and purity among peoples and nations. Let them come to me with confidence and simplicity, and I, their Mother, will teach them to become pure like to my Heart that their own hearts may be more pleasing to the Heart of my Son.
Our Lady said she was coming to us children of America, as a last resort. I plead with you to listen to my voice. Cleanse your souls in the Precious Blood of My Son. Live in His Heart, and take me in that I may teach you to live in great purity of heart which is so pleasing to God.
Here’s a mother pleading with her wayward children to please listen and then do what she’s telling them. If they don’t? In January 1957, Our Lady did not mince words.
The hour grows late. My Son's patience will not last forever. Help me hold back His anger, which is about to descend on sinful and ungrateful men. Suffering and anguish, such as never before experienced, is about to overtake mankind. It is the darkest hour.
We know Jesus is merciful, more than we could imagine. Earlier he told St. Faustina “before I come as a just Judge, I first open wide the door of My mercy.” Again, “I never reject a contrite heart. Sooner would heaven and earth turn into nothingness than would My mercy not embrace a trusting soul.”
Our Lady told Faustina, “I am Mother to you all, thanks to the unfathomable mercy of God.” One of her titles proclaims her Mother of Mercy. She is that also — and refers back to Fatima too — as she appeared as Our Lady of America and continued: But if men will come to me, my Immaculate Heart will make it bright again with the mercy which my Son will rain down through my hands. Help me save those who will not save themselves. Help me bring once again the sunshine of God's peace upon the world.
There’s great hope because Our Lady said mercy is ready and waiting. Remember, this was back 63 years ago. When life was simpler, and on Sundays, churches were filled. Look at society’s downhill race since.
Next, Our Lady of America requested, Reform of life is what I ask as the sign and proof of my children's love for me. God looks at the heart, and if it resembles the Heart of His Divine Son, it is with the greatest pleasure He regards it…But to make your hearts grow more and more like to the Heart of the Son, you must go to the Mother, whose heart is most like His. From this Pure and Immaculate Heart you will learn all that will make you more pleasing to the Divine Heart of the Son of God.
Again, the message is similar to Fatima’s. Now 40 years later people still hadn’t listened enough. Our Mother was again trying to get our attention. Come to me, my children, come to me and learn. There is much I would teach you. It is for your own happiness and eternal salvation. Do not disregard the voice of your Mother. It is the voice of love trying to save you from eternal ruin.
She said her Immaculate Heart desires to see the kingdom of Jesus established in everyone’s heart. Now I have pleaded with my children to open their hearts to Him, but most are cold and indifferent.
Three months later Our Lady again warned: Unless my children reform their lives, they will suffer great persecution. If man himself will not take upon himself the penance necessary to atone for his sins and those of others, God in His justice will have to send upon him the punishment necessary to atone for his transgressions.
But her children were stopping their ears and hearts.
On Aug. 22 (the feast of the Queenship of Mary), she said, What am I to do…when my children turn from me? The false peace of this world lures them and in the end will destroy them. They think they have done enough in consecrating themselves to my Immaculate Heart. It is not enough. That which I ask for and is most important many have not given me. What I ask, have asked, and will continue to ask is reformation of life…I will work my miracles of grace only in those who ask for them and empty their souls of the love and attachment to sin and all that is displeasing to my Son.
Oh, what grief my children have caused me!
Another Message for America
Then on the feast of the Most Holy Rosary, Oct. 7, Our Lady, holding a rosary, gave a warning, and still another avenue of hope. [W]hat I am about to tell you concerns in a particular way my children in America. Unless they do penance by mortification and self-denial and thus reform their lives, God will visit them with punishments hitherto unknown to them.
My child, there will be peace, as has been promised, but not until my children are purified and cleansed from defilement, and clothed thus with the white garment of grace, are made ready to receive this peace, so long promised and so long held back because of the sins of men.
My dear children, either you will do as I desire and reform your lives, or God Himself will need to cleanse you in the fires of untold punishment. You must be prepared to receive His great gift of peace. If you will not prepare yourselves, God will Himself be forced to do so in His justice and mercy.
Let’s be honest. Look how in the last few decades the world has speeded up turning Genesis upside down — declaring as good something that was unheard of and would shock the people during that 1950’s message.
Oh, if you knew the punishments I am holding back from you by my pleading and intercession on your behalf! Will you do as I wish at last, my children? she continued.
Repent. Stop sinning. Live according to God’s commandments, not man’s. She taught,
Making the Rosary a family prayer is very pleasing to me. I ask that all families strive to do so. But be careful to say it with great devotion, meditating on each mystery and striving to imitate in your daily lives the virtues depicted therein. Live the mysteries of the Rosary as I lived them, and it will become a chain binding you to me forever. They who are found in the circle of my Rosary will never be lost. I myself will lead them at death to the throne of my Son, to be eternally united to Him.
Earlier the next year, Our Lady assured, My Immaculate Heart will win in the end, and the Spirit of Christ will dwell in the hearts of men. Those in whom this Spirit is not found will be condemned to eternal hell-fire.
She then reminded that because nothing is accomplished without pain there needed to be preparation to suffer much. She showed the sword she suffered in her own heart. It is also the sword of grief plunged therein by my children who refuse to let me teach them the true way. There is only one true way to the Father, my child, only one way to eternal union. That, she affirmed, is through her Son Jesus.
But my children will not heed; they will not listen. Every other way they will take, but not this one.
Did people finally listen and change? A year later, in 1959 Our Lady said, I come again to warn and to plead. Oh, penance, penance! How little my children understand it! They give me many words, but sacrifice themselves they will not. It is not me they love but themselves. Oh, what blindness, sweet child, what blindness! How it pierces my heart!
See, I weep, but my children show me no compassion. They behold the sword in my heart but will make no move to withdraw it. I give them love; they give me only ingratitude.
Weep, then, dear child, weep with your Mother over the sins of men. Intercede with me before the throne of mercy, for sin is overwhelming the world and punishment is not far away.”
At the time she also said she had a great interest in America’s young people, for them to become the next leaders of renewal.
Plans for the United States
Obviously, things didn’t get better. On the day after the feast of St. John the Baptist, June 25, 1967, Our Lady of America came once again because people didn’t change. Their sins cry to heaven for punishment. I hold out help, but they will not receive it…they only spurn the efforts of my love.
Then on Nov. 22, 1980, a Saturday, Our Lady came with a message specifically for the United States:
It is the United States that is to lead the world to peace, the peace of Christ, the peace that he brought with Him from heaven in His birth as a man in the little town of Bethlehem…
Unless the United States accepts and carries out faithfully the mandate given to it by heaven to lead the world to peace, there will come upon it and all nations a great havoc of war and incredible suffering. If, however, the United States is faithful to this mandate from heaven, and yet fails tin the pursuit of peace because the rest of the world will not accept or co-operate then the United States will not be burdened with the punishment about to fall.
The warning ramped up on Jan 23 (the old feast of the Espousal of Joseph and Mary).
The world was paying no attention to what Malachi (2:17) said — “You have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet you say, ‘How have we wearied him?’ By saying, ‘Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delights in them.’” — and what Isaiah (5:20) made clear — “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.”
Our Lady of America reminded us of this on Holy Saturday in 1981, saying, Evil is so insidious it often passes for good. The simple and pure of heart alone can detect the difference. Many good works and many a good person or persons are thwarted or destroyed by apparently good people who are manipulated by the powers of evil because they do not possess that finer sense of being able to detect a false spirit form a true one.
In the next two years she again repeated, O my children, you still aren’t listening. I see the destruction coming but you do not believe me…The Divine Spirit is there but you are continuing in your blindness and so blotting out the Divine Light and closing your ears to eternal truth. I beg of you to heed my voice or there will be no more time for you to turn back the Divine Wrath. I weep for you because I love you and wish, my dear children, to spare you this terrible suffering.
Hope Remains — A Chance Too
In 1984, on Jan. 3 (the Feast of the Holy Name of Jesus), Our Lady of America gave a Final Message:
If my warnings are taken seriously and enough of my children strive constantly and faithfully to renew and reform themselves in their inward and their outward lives, then there will be no nuclear war.
There must be much more good then evil prevailing in order to prevent the holocaust that is so near approaching.
Yet I tell you, my daughter, even should such a destruction happen because there were not enough souls who took my warning seriously, there will remain a remnant — untouched by the chaos who, having been faithful in following me and spreading my warnings, will gradually inhabit the earth again with their dedicated and holy lives.
These will renew the earth win the power and light of the Holy Spirit. These faithful ones of my children will be under my protection and that of the Holy Angels, and they will partake of the life of the Divine Trinity in a most remarkable way.
The choice is clear. Listen to Our Lady. Do what she says. Never lose hope. Pray."
Sister Lucia stated, "the United States will be economically destroyed by natural disasters." This was in response to a question as to whether the US would ever be conquered.
Is there a timetabe contained within the message of Fatima?
“To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of
Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation
on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be
converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors
throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the
Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much
to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate
Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia
to me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will
be granted to the world.
1. Russia will spread her errors
2. Wars and persecutions of the Church
3. Good will be martryed
4. Holy Father(s) much to suffer
5. Various nations annihilated
6. Consecration of Russia
There may not be WW3 but Russia is capable of annihilating nations -- number 5.
In the “Fourth Memoir” Sister Lucia adds: “In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc. ...”.
We are in Fatima end times given the problems the Church is facing in Germany and Belgium, & with the sinod on sinodality (God forgive me for the pun but that is how I see it).
My feeling is we are approaching serious events for war is a chastisement for sin -
I think the chastisement is conditioned on whether people will convert after the warning.
As for world war, the Freemasons want it, because after the war they will openly preach Luciferianism. Whether they get what they want is another thing.
If there were a fixed timeline what’s the point of prayer? The future will happen whether you pray or not.
Our Lady has said some things can be changed but others cannot , that it is now too late.
It is rather like driving a car down a road at high speed and find you are about to hit someone or something. You need time to come to a stop when you hit the brakes. I am afraid for many things hitting the brakes has come too late.
On the other hand Our Lady has said that at least one grave Chastisement has been avoided through Fasting and Prayer.
Actions have consequences. God gave us Free Will to choose between good and to choose evil. He will never , ever take that away from us, otherwise He would turn us all into robots.
The choices for good have consequences.
The choices for evil have consequences too.
We face a World War at the moment not because of choices God made. We face it because of choices we are ourselves made and continue to make. God does not have His finger on the Nuclear Button, we do.
If you wonder if there will be a war ask yourself one key question.
Is the World getting better, growing closer to God and Repenting of it's sins, or is it growing worse day by day?
I know how I would answer....
Job stood up, tore his robe in grief, and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground and worshiped. He said, “Naked I came from my mother, and naked I will return. The Lord has given, and the Lord has taken away! May the name of the Lord be praised.” Through all this Job did not sin or blame God for doing anything wrong.
If only we had a Good Holy , Wise, Pope we would have much more cause for hope.
I think the warning will come during a nuclear war or something like that. I don’t think the war is the chastisement. Have you ever heard of Lucis Trust? I think the antichrist might come and bring “peace” and “fraternity” by convincing people to brush religious differences aside and putting to death “terrorists” who refuse to be fraternal. I just don’t know which part is the conditional chastisement.