I may be mistaken Padraig but I think Sg has stated that she attends the Novus Ordo Mass out of necessity. I don't think her argument has anything to do with the validity of the Mass. As she keeps saying, read the Ottiviani Intervention Why was it so important? Why did it go unheeded? Why did Pope Paul Vl poll the Bishops about communion in the hand and have most against it but he allowed it anyway? There was some connections between Pope Paul the Vl and Bugnini having a big influence on him. What was the goals of the reformers and have those goals been met, why so many attending the Novus Ordo Mass treatment of Jesus in the Eucharist like something ordinary?