Why the Miracle of Garabandal is not till Apr. 2024 at earliest...

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by Xavier, Apr 25, 2020.

  1. SteveD

    SteveD Archangels

    People generally seem to try to link an individual Saint and his/her story in order to find someone who fits the 'profile' and the approximate feast date. However some nation's martyrs share a common feast day such as the English Martyrs - 4 May - and those from Korea - 20 Sep and Japan - 6 Feb. These nation's martyr's individual stories may be incomplete or unknown. There will be other nations also I think where their martyrs share a feast day one of whose individual saints might 'fit the bill'. (If indeed Our Lady did leave such complex and, to date, indecipherable clues which I must say that I do find troublesome.)
     
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  2. Sam

    Sam Powers



    Byron and I posted videos of Mari Loli stating this in posts 69 and 70 in this thread. As for moving a saint's feast day to match the prophecy, Conchita was told the date of the miracle by the Blessed Virgin and then looked at a calendar in 1963 and then said who the saint was. So I don't think moving saint's feast days around to fit a date works.
     
  3. Xavier

    Xavier "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph."

    The two Eucharistic Saints in April are St. Hermenegild, April 13th, and St. Stanislaus, April 11th. It has to be one of them imo. Both are also in the appropriate time frame, i.e. from 8th to 16th April

    It seems to me the next possible year for the Miracle is 2024 only. Because only in 2024 is April 11th on a Thursday. Notice the clues given can narrow it down significantly, although they are not meant to give us an absolutely certain date.

    We are meant to keep praying and sacrificing, offering the Masses we assist at, the Communions we receive, and our prayers and sacrifices, to save as many souls as possible.

    When the Warning finally comes, those Souls will be saved. It may be in the Billions, so it's something amazing to look forward to.

    But it's better for Gods time, otherwise billions who are meant to be saved may not be saved. Let's pray that Gods Perfect Will is done.
     
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  4. indaiatubano

    indaiatubano Principalities

    It can't be St. Stanislaus. He was 48 when he died, therefore not a young martyr of the Eucharist.
     
  5. Glenn

    Glenn Moderator


    With this Pope,anything is possible. As far as "who" the priest was,and how it came about, here's the whole story.
    Warning in an "Even Year".

    Here's how that came about. In the book, “Suddenly & Unexpectedly, The end of our Times” by Tom Fahy .pg .93 (Published November 11, 2012 )


    "We know that the Warning must precede the Miracle. I happen to know, as per Maria (Saracco ) that Mari Loli had at one point been questioned by a priest who was trying to extract the year of the Warning from her. She would not tell him. Finally, he asked if she could at least tell him if it was an even or odd year. She relented and told him that it would be an “ even year. "


    When I researched this many years ago, I found out that the priest in question was Fr. Gustavo Morelos that she said this to.
     
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  6. Glenn

    Glenn Moderator

    “MIRACLE DAY MARTYR” CRITERIA


    A young male martyr of the Eucharist.



    Because of the first statement, it is male , not female.



    Not being of Spanish heritage. (as per Conchita).



    The Miracle is in April, so must the feast day.



    Feast day must fall between the 8th-16th.



    His feast day will coincide with an Ecclesiastical event in the church.



    Since the " Miracle Saint" information came about in 1963, it would have to be the Traditional Latin Mass schedule. The Novus Ordo didn't start until 1965. ( It is possible that his name did not appear on the calendar in 1963,so that complicates things. Saints feast days do move)
     
  7. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Just the fact that Conchita described St Tarcisius as the young martyr should tell us he’s the one. We just don’t know when his feast day will be changed. I always felt that it was unlikely to change, but with God all is possible.
     
  8. Petr

    Petr New Member

    I believe we have a serious problem here.

    In case the name of the martyr did not appear on the calendar in 1963, as Glenn suggested above, how is then possible Conchita looked at her calendar and connected his name with miracle in April???

    For St. Tarcisius, his feast day is celebrated on 15 August. However, as that day is widely observed as the Feast of the Assumption of Our Lady, he is not mentioned in the General Roman Calendar, but only in the Roman Martyrology. This is confirmed in Spanish calendar from the year 1960, where his name is missing completely. How then could Conchita even know him by looking at her calendar???

    Calendário 1960 - 2.jpg

    Concerning St. Stanislaus, if you look at the Spanish calendar from 1960, you will find his feast day in beginning of May (according to my knowledge, his feast day was moved to 11 April only in 1969), so this is another reason he is probably not the one we are looking for.
     
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  9. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    You raise some very good points.

    It is possible that either one of those two accounts (the calendar story or the vision of St Tarcisius story) may have been misreported/misunderstood.

    Many little details about Garabandal are confusing (but don’t get me wrong: I believe Garabandal is one of the most extraordinary manifestations from heaven that ever happened in history).
     
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  10. Glenn

    Glenn Moderator


    I have alsofound his feast day being celebrated on April 26
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  11. Petr

    Petr New Member

    Yes, the first possible explanation would be that one (or both) of those accounts have been misinterpreted.

    The second explanation might be sentences told by Conchita mentioned by Glenn from the book She Went in Haste to the Mountain relate to a feast day of nowadays unknown martyr who will be proclaimed in the future by the Pope whose feast day would fall on 13 April, together with St. Hermenegild.
     
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  12. Daniel75

    Daniel75 New Member

    St. Tarcisius is the saint but the best we have is April 26 for his feast day. He was probably martyred on another day in April but the date April 26 was given for his feast day by the Church. Will never know the exact date if this is true until the Miracle does occur.

    Best estimates are April 11, 2024, April 9, 2026, or April 11, 2030 (during Passion Week(?)).

    For the years 2022 and 2028, the possible dates are during Holy Week.
     
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  13. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    That's one of the reasons why I think the unapproved apparitions of Garabandal are from below. It has people caught up in perpetual expectation that events are near. If you review Catholic forums over the last years, you will find that people ALWAYS think the "events" are about three years away. People get so hooked up living in the tomorrow, they forget to focus on today.
    We don't know the day and the hour, it is as simple as that. And when "apparitions" come up with ridiculous and complicated hints for a date (like a treasure hunt), they are almost certainly wrong. I can't understand why after the death of Joey L. people have changed their narrative and still are living enslaved to watching Garabandal events unfold. It seems like hypnosis to me. What will happen to the Catholic faith of Garabandal devotees when Conchita dies? I am worried about that, with charity. Please excuse my wording, I am German and that's how we address problems. Directly. Without beating around the bush. I certainly do not mean to offend anyone or to cause trouble. But Garabandal has me worried, it is so outlandish, reminiscent of Jehovah's Witnesses attempting to pick a date for the end of the world. Garabandal also reminds me of Irlmair, who, according to Adlmair, "saw" two 8s and one 9. So before 8 August 2009 I panicked and advised my family to stock water and food supplies! But with the help of our Lady, I was finally able to free myself from Irlmair and follow approved apparitions.
    All the while, WW III is actually going on all around us, and they (you know the culprits) certainly don't want to wait until 2024 to have us all vaccinated. Is this, today, not next year, the chastisement of the world where the living will envy the dead (Akita)?
     
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  14. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" Powers Staff Member


    Everyone is entitled to believe Michael ...you are on your own journey and they are on theirs, for instance you yourself quoted from an atheist author ? so you believed what he wrote over what a catholic wrote.. horses for courses my friend. I do believe however one should not get possessed with trying to work out dates etc if they do well then they are totally missing the entire message of Garabandal
     
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  15. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    yes of course everyone is entitled to believe whatever.
    When you say I quoted an atheist, that was Arthur Huebscher, who scientifically reviewed European pseudo-prophecy such as Irlmaier or the "blind youth of Prague" and found it all to be an ongoing European folk tale with different variations, and adjusted from time to time.
    But when you say I believe Huebscher instead of a certain Catholic, what Catholic person are you referring to?
    I agree, the obsession with dates is a grave danger. it certainly had me caught up from 2008 to 8 August 2009, based on Adlmair/Irlmair.
     
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  16. Glenn

    Glenn Moderator


    Michael lets talk about a few of your comments. First You say Garabandal is 'unapproved" certainly giving it a negative connotation, but in reality, since Conchita gave the actual Miracle date to the Vatican, ,and THEY NEVER dismissed it, it is actually truer to say the Garabandal is "AWAITING" approval, upon the Miracle date.

    You next say "we don't know the hour or the day", that has nothing to do with Garabandal prophecy, that is pertaining to the Second Coming of Christ, so you use that incorrectly because Mary herself gave us many clues to the Warning & the Miracle !

    I had several thoughts that came to my mind when Joey passed..
    “My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, So are My ways exalted above your ways, And My thoughts above your thoughts.” (Is. 55: 8-9)
    “Oh, the depth of the riches Of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are His judgments, And how unsearchable His ways.” (Rom. 11:33)



    *What did Mary say EXACTLY to Conchita to tell Joey?

    She said

    that you shall see on the very day of the Miracle. “ - Well this can also be interpreted many ways, but he will see the Miracle.


    Most people did not know that Joey suffered greatly the last two years of his life, and in addition to being blind, he became nearly deaf and was so weak from several heart attacks, he could not attend daily mass. So, Did Joey fulfill saying the prayers he was supposed to say each day , to fulfill the prophecy to regain his sight ?

    Mary said :

    "Joey do you want to see again?"
    "Yes."
    "Then you pray. Say 17 Hail Mary’s, 7 Acts of Contrition, 5 Our Father’s


    3 times a day. “

    I am wondering if Joey ( in the midst of all his sufferings) wasn’t able to complete those prayer conditions for his sight and that he privately changed his mind, and decided to remain blind by offering up the sacrifice to God for the salvation of souls, and to be taken to Heaven early ?


    On December 6, 1962, Conchita had a 90 minute ecstasy around 5:30 in the afternoon after which, she provided more pieces of information regarding the Miracle: “One day, before the Miracle, something will happen that will cause many people to stop believing in the apparitions of Garabandal. “

    Jesus comments on belief of Garabandal before the Miracle

    From Conchita, Dairy pg. 204, 1966: He [Jesus] replied..."I want to tell you, Conchita, that before the miracle occurs, you will suffer much, for few people will believe you. Your own family will believe that you have deceived them. I am the one who wants all this, as I have already told you, for your sanctification and so that the world may comply with the message. I wish to advise you that the remainder of your life will be a continual suffering. Do not be frieghtened. In your suffering you will find me and also Mary whom you love very much... I will be with whoever suffers for me."

    So in fact there are some viable explanations for his passing, but we must wait for the Miracle to find out why this prophecy was altered.


    I always return to one amazing FACT that you and ALL detractors never mention. The undisputable reputation of SAINT PADRE PIO, who told Joey to go to Garabandal and that is was true, and he met with Conchita ,and I'm sure read her soul, and NEVER uttered a negative word ,and only encouraged the world to listen to our Lady at Garabandal. So I will trust his spiritual judgment (in addition to the overwhelming miracles performed there for 4 years), over any one else.
     
  17. Daniel75

    Daniel75 New Member

    Michael, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. But as for me, even if Conchita were to die before the warning, so what? Does that change the fact that the children did not blink during their ecstasies even while being stuck with pins. Hardly. Many other so called apparitionists blink their eyes while they are in ecstasy proving they are frauds.

    O, Conchita is dead now so we can all go live degenerate lives. I don't think anyone here on this blog would ever think or say such a thing. Generally all of us blogging here know we are preaching to the choir not to unbelievers. You seem to be a hardened non believer. So what is your point of being here? You got burned with Alois Irlmaier's 8,8, and 9 vision/message? Sorry about that. All prophecy is conditional you know or you should know. You need to get used to that fact.
     
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  18. Emmanuel

    Emmanuel New Member

    My view, exactly. Similarly, that's also why we would never refer to King Alfred the Great, as an "English" monarch because England did not exist during his time.
     
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  19. Emmanuel

    Emmanuel New Member

    Indeed, as I have said before, St. Hermengild's feast day is probably the earliest that we can expect for the date of the Great Miracle. The notion that the Great Warning could occur in 2022, has been discussed numerous times that I'm aware of. Events in the world today seem to be moving oh so rapidly.
     
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  20. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    Padre Pios life has been documented quite well. I follow Kanal Pater Pio on YouTube. is there any evidence that Padre Pio spoke favorably of Garabandal? A few years ago, I enquired for the letters that Padre Pio had supposedly written to Garabandal. I was told they are lost. I didn't find that convincing.
    Are there any photographs for example that show Padre Pio in Garabandal?
     

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