Why are we still without mass in Ireland? Fr. Luke

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  1. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

    Why are we still without mass in Ireland?
    What do Ireland, Afganistan, and China have in common? What do Ireland and Nazi Germany have in common? How come Ireland is the only country in the EU that has had its GDP go up in 2020? Why is the closing of the churches unconstitutional?
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  2. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Good question. Our county schools have just cancelled the mask mandate. Only thing missing from church is the holy water and some of the people . . .
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  3. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    One of our major problems which handcuffs us seems to be our obsession with OBEDIENCE, whither it is good, bad or indifferent.

    We were taught as children the importance of obedience; but not at the expense of doing what is right. We were taught that if we are asked to do something that we know is wrong, we are not obliged to obey. It is wrong to disregard the Ten Commandments of God. And the Third Commandment requires us to Keep Holy the Sabbath Day. We have done this primarily by attending Holy Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation....until the lockdown.

    I would understand that a two week lock down to flatten the curve in the spread of an infectious disease might be acceptable in the sight of God, but not perpetual lock down which appears to have caused a lot more deaths through suicide, illness, failure to diagnose and treat deadly disease such as cancer. Has anyone stopped to consider how many cancers were too far gone to successfully treat because diagnosis was put on hold due to corona virus.

    All for the sake of a corona virus which has been doing the rounds for hundreds of years under the form of the common cold, and will no doubt continue into the future with constant variants. Oh! and a corona virus which has a 99% survival rate.

    Has anyone noticed the annual flu has disappeared this year and maybe last year, all for the sake of the corona virus. People wake up, you are being hood winked.

    Of course the corona virus takes a heavy toll on the vulnerable, all infections take a heavy toll on the vulnerable, always have. So we have to take sensible precautions if we are elderly or have other health issues which leave us at risk in the event of being exposed to virus. And if we are infected the recovery rate for corona virus is as good as for any virus, better than some it would appear.

    We should not neglect our duties and obligations to our God for the sake of a virus. IMHO
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  4. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

    And almost the entire Church - priests, Bishops, even the Holy Father, have rolled over to this idiotic mandate to close our Churches and deprive us of the sacraments, as you said, for the sake of a virus with a 99% recovery rate! Do they think Jesus is ok with this? I can see at the beginning, the two week "flatten the curve" when we did not know what we were dealing with (although I believe 'they' always knew it was just an exercise in control) but as the truth has come out for those of us who went searching for it have found out, it is BUNK but here we are over a year later with our Churches closed yet again in another lockdown that the authorities including the Church are still exercising.. Evil is rising fast.. Lord have mercy on us all..
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers


    Another Easter without Mass: What happened to Catholic Ireland?
    May the blood of the Irish martyrs serve to inspire the Church, so that the Irish clergy may once more fulfill their vocation to lead souls to God instead of away from Him, and may the underground Church continue to grow in size and fervor.


    DUBLIN, Ireland, April 2, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) –– For the second year running, the Irish government has brought about something which would have made the previous persecutors of Irish Catholics so very proud: The prohibition of public worship during Holy Week and Easter.

    Yet the blame cannot fall solely at the feet of political legislators, as this occurrence is something which is due also to the Catholic hierarchy in Ireland. And so, as churches will be empty once again for the most sacred time of the Church’s year, the question must be asked — what happened to Catholic Ireland?

    COVID and the Church in Ireland
    Ireland has a special place in Catholic history as the land of saints and scholars, the land to which St. Patrick famously came and from whence missionaries and monks left to convert the world. In parishes across the world, very often the stalwarts of daily Mass are Irish themselves, or of Irish families. The culture has for generations been steeped in the faith. Life revolved around the practice of Catholicism in a way that must have angered the increasingly secularist world.

    But for the past number of decades, this happy situation has no longer been reality. Catholicism in Ireland has become watered down to little more than a folk religion, where people attend Mass infrequently at best, the faith is rarely taught, and scandal after scandal is used to undermine any remnant of authority and respect which the Church used to command.

    Certainly, any church one passes will almost always be Catholic, but even this is not set to last. For many years, there has existed a faux Catholicism — an image of a Catholic country, but, in reality, one which is propped up merely on remnants of the past, and with little that is actually flourishing.

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    The arrival of COVID-related restrictions provided the long-awaited impetus for this projection to collapse and crumble.

    The government and the Irish bishops worked in tandem to close Catholic churches across the country, so that from March 13, 2020, public worship had ceased, and for the first time since the days of Catholic persecution, which began under Henry VIII, Catholics were once again prevented by the authorities form worshipping God.

    This time, there was no St. Patrick, none of the numerous priests and bishops who happily endured prison, torments, and death rather than bow to similar encroachments upon the rights of the Church as enforced by Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.

    One by one, bishop after bishop suspended public Mass, attempting to reassure their flock that they were not abandoning their duty since Mass would still be said in private, but that the people would be barred. Clergy interpreted the government advice, which banned indoor gatherings of more than 100 people, as the excuse to demonstrate their subservience to the state, in a manner which would have made ashamed their brother clergy from previous centuries who were martyred for the faith.

    As Archbishop Michael Neary of Tuam said: “I regret the disruption and inconvenience that this will cause to children, parents and priests, but I take this decision in the interests of public health and in the common good.”

  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    o also spoke Bishop Brendan Leahy of Limerick, who called the closure of churches “necessary” to “protect the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.” Sadly, Bishop Leahy did not follow the example of Hugh Lacy, bishop of Limerick, in 1578, who was driven out of his see and imprisoned twice for refusing to abandon his flock to persecution.

    Days later, a Catholic priest from Archbishop Neary’s diocese allowed a Muslim imam to deliver the Islamic call to prayer in the parish church. Catholic parishioners were kept out, by order of the hierarchy.

    Then, in August, the clergy abandoned the spiritual health of Irish Catholics once more, as Ireland’s national Marian shrine of Knock was closed for the feast of the Assumption, due to fears that people would flock there as in previous years. On a day that usually saw hourly Masses starting at 6am, for the 20,000 plus pilgrims, the shrine was closed, not on the order of the state, nor even in an act of Catholic persecution by officials, but by the clergy, whose duty it is to lead souls to heaven.

    Ireland, a nation once so devoted to the Mother of God, thus saw its priests turn their back upon Mary — something which Oliver Cromwell himself would have welcomed.

    Ireland saw its churches closed once more in October, as the government raised the alert level for the virus and ordered worship to take place online. In the spring, the bishops had demonstrated that they were willing to close the churches, and thus set the way for the state to do so a few months later.

    Weeks after, images of Catholic persecution returned once more, as a new law was passed (in direct violation of the Constitution), threatening imprisonment for priests who dared to say a public Mass. A €2,500 fine or 6 months in jail were the potential punishments for a member of the clergy exercising his vocation.

    It seems that at this point, the four archbishops in the country did begin to realize the dangerous precedent which was being set, and issued a half-hearted statement in an attempt to demonstrate action. They called for constructive engagement with the government in order to have access to the sacraments, but continued to “fully support the guidance of the public health authorities.”

    Renewed attack on the Church
    The country that once was so predominantly Catholic now appears utterly foreign to those of previous generations. While some faithful few made recent public demonstrations of piety, the state has ramped up its persecution of Catholics. In recent weeks, the attack against the Church and Catholics has rapidly gained pace, while both politicians and clergy (on the whole) avoid calling the situation as it is — namely, a persecution.

    Three men were arrested while praying and broadcasting Mass outside Waterford Cathedral. Police have been gathering information of people who are merely praying outside churches, and even set up check points around Fr. P.J. Hughes’s parish in order to prevent people from going to Mass.

    The brave priest welcomed what he described as “anti-Catholic and anti-Church” behavior: “In a way, I felt privileged to be persecuted by the guards because the story today in the gospel is about the Passion of Jesus Christ, how Jesus was crucified, mocked, scourged. I wasn’t scourged or mocked but I was probably insulted and persecuted by the guards.”

    On that same day, Palm Sunday, the government responded to questions about the current legal status about saying Mass, insisting that priests were committing an offense if they left home to celebrate a public Mass.

    Pockets of resistance
    Yet the faith is by no means completely dead. Priests, mindful of their primary duty to souls, have continued to offer the sacraments to their flock.

    Fr. Hughes said Mass, without turning away those parishioners who came, and was promptly threatened with prosecution by the police. In scenes directly from the 1600s, Hughes had been “reported.” Yet in scenes very different from the days of persecution, he was without the support of his bishop.

    There are certainly determined groups of faithful souls up and down the country, both lay and clerical, who are imitating their martyred predecessors in the faith, and going underground.

    They are, no doubt, drawing on the example of Catholics such as Sir John Burke, Fr. Patrick O’Derry, and Donough and John Olvin, all of whom were hung, drawn and quartered for their faith in the early 1600s.
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  7. sparrow

    sparrow Exitus ~ Reditus

  8. Luiflower

    Luiflower Archangels

    A look at some of the Easter traditions in Ireland, past and present.

    Before Easter

    Clean house thoroughly inside and out - whitewash applied.

    Get new clothes.

    On Good Friday

    Fast - this is the most serious day of fasting from the Lenten calendar. Some devoutly Catholic will not eat until midday and even then will only have a piece of bread and three sips of water, honoring the Holy Trinity.

    Cut your hair to prevent headaches during the year and trim your fingers and toenails.

    Take off your shoes when entering a Church.

    Remain quiet from noon until 3 pm.

    Visit holy wells and graveyards. All water from holy wells has curative properties on Good Friday.

    Plant a few crop seeds to bring a blessing to all your crops.

    A child born on Good Friday and baptized on Easter Sunday will have the gift of healing. It was thought that boys born and baptized on these days should enter the ministry. Those who die on Good Friday go straight to heaven.

    Chicken's eggs laid on Good Friday are marked with a cross. Each member of the household eats one Easter Sunday. And chicks hatched on Good Friday will be healthy.

    Easter Saturday

    You must have holy water blessed. Drink three sips of the water for good luck and sprinkle everything for good luck.

    Bring the cinders from the fire to be blessed.

    During Lent, Catholics would abstain from any red meat eating only fish. On Easter Saturday a tradition developed of having a mock funeral for a herring.Easter Sunday

    Gather your family and go to a hilltop to see the sunrise. Catholics believed that this is the Savior rising from his grave.

    Alternatively, view the reflection of the sun in a bucket of water and then move it so the sun appears to dance.

    Celebrate with eggs as a signifier of life. Either color them or give them as gifts.

    Have a Cludog / Cluideog. This is a ritual where children collect the eggs and cook them with other food in a structure at the edge of the farm. Essentially it's roasted eggs.

    Merrymakers dressed in brightly colored rags would go from place to place singing and dancing and demanding the eggs of Easter.

    Have a feast with your family. Traditionally, leek soup and roast lamb were served.

    Have a cake dance. The best dancer gets the prize of a cake.

    Source IrishCentral
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    Lovely. Thanks for sharing.
  10. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    A lot of those so called Irish traditions were not familiar to me, and I started my life on a farm in Ireland. Maybe some were traditions in certain places but not everywhere.

    However I do remember new summer clothes for Easter Sunday and an Easter Bonnet. The bonnets used to be made of straw or something that reminded me of straw. They were effectively just right for summer, and we would wear them to Mass on a Sunday. The weather back then seemed to pick up around Easter time, and be warmer for the summer months.

    I remember the lovely smell of spring and the new leaves on the trees, and the flowers beginning to appear in the hedgerows. A wonderful sense of newness and looking forward to another summer making hay and cutting turf, waiting for butterflies and bees and a nice long break from school. LOL

    How times have changed.
  11. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    My Irish Dad always said the sun danced on Easter morning and the animals could talk.
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