Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by padraig, Jun 20, 2015.
I once visited Phoenix/Scottsdale.
I live near the Our Lady of the Sierra, Hereford, AZ.
all nighters are tough....take care of yourself, Padraig
I have been there. I used to live in tuscon on Sabine canyon rd, several yrs ago. We come to tuscon sometimes. If the Lord leads it would be nice to meet you.
I was still trying to reply to Joe Croziers question on places of refuge and whereabouts in the world they might be.
I am slow but sure, I will get there.
But it seems to me before answering this Our Lady was pointing me first in the direction of the wider question of whether or not place of refuge really exist, of the bottom line being is it not better to trust in the Lord and remiaing were we are at our place and trusting in Him for support. Is fleeing to refuges not running away? Does it not show a lack of trust a kiind of loss of spiritual peace? An inner panic?
11 I know the plans I have in mind for you, declares the Lord; they are plans for peace, not disaster, to give you a future filled with hope.
I think the answer to these questions, prayerfully lie in three key episodes in the Life of the Mother of God.
1. The Flight into Egypt
13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.”
14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”
2. Mary's Flight from Jeruslaem to the House in Ephesus
Luke 23:27-31 “A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, ‘Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, “Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!” Then they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills “Cover us!” For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?’”
In 62 AD James was executed in Jerusalem by the Sanhedrin. It is not clear what led to this execution, but it must have had something to do with his belief in, and teaching of the Messiah Jesus. A few years later Paul is executed in Rome by Nero. Eusebius reports that he was beheaded, and though the exact date is uncertain, it must have been between 64-67 AD. It is also reported that Peter was executed around the same time, being crucified upside down. The traditions surrounding the persecution of Nero report that a huge fire erupted, burning nine days and destroying at least a quarter of the city. Tacticus reports that Nero blamed the Christians to divert attention away from himself. Blaming the Christians, and having the masses turn their rage on the Christians, was not difficult as this new religion was already being viewed with suspicion. The resulting persecution was brutal:
Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired...
- Annals XV.44
3 The Flight in Revelation.
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
The key teaching for us who are entering into the fullness of the Chastisement must surely be , if we are asked to flee we must flee and that we may indeed by asked to flee.
But we must tread carefully between two rocks. That of presumption by refusing to flee , thus recommiting the offense of Lot's wife who was turned in to a pillar of salt and the other rock that of lack of trust and getting ourselves into a blind panic.
2 Samuel 7:14
I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands.
It is also a grave risk that by staying when urged by the Spirit urges us to flee we might become Apostate.
Falcon Circle US Air Academy..worshipping False Gods
If I could ask just one question... It would be about the nature of the warning and miracle and whether enough people would convert and see the truth. Maybe it would prevent the Chastisement. But I'm afraid the world is too far gone into evil.
What do we do if we believe God is asking us to do something, but our spouse refuses to allow us to?
I can't even begin to imagine my spouse forbidding me to do something unless it was a huge financial undertaking. That being said I can only respond that the marriage vow is sacred and holy and obedience to one another takes precedence. God certainly knows your situation and I would tell God that if you want this then He'll have to open your spouses heart and mind to what He is asking you to do. Just like obedience to the Church comes first so does our spouse. I'll pray for you and your situation.
Bernadette's answer is perfect.
I have never married myself so many things are a mystery to me. Bit I often been touched by reading the posts of married people about situations in the married state, so much prayerful wisdom and experience. The Holy Spirit speaking.
I would suppose many, many married people will experience things like this as the Storm deepens.
The significance of the star of Bethlehem just created
Back to Joe's question about where in the world would be most safe during the Fullness of the Tribulation ? Where are these Refuges?
I guess the simplest and best answer is the safest and best place for us to be is the place were God leads us. I suspect that the people who will fail most will be the people who prepare the most. But that I mean , people who rely on their own abilities and resources.
If I was stuck and did not know where to go , though the first palce I would turn to would be a Marian Apparition site, the next a Catholic religious institution of place of pilgrimage.
However my sense of things is that God will fill our wings with Wind so we might fly.
Funny Miriam ,as soon as I read your question I recalled a story I heard about the young Jesuit saint John Berchmans. Apparently John was shooting pool with some of the other young Jesuits when one of them asked St John the question, 'If you were told , John that the world was to end tomorrow, what would you do?' To which John simply replied , 'I would carry on doing what I am doing now'.
This is a decpetively simple answer. I think what St John meant is, if we are doing what God wants us to do , we shouldn't neeed to change for anything.
So I think the simple answer as to how to prepare spiritually for the Storm is to continue to do what we should be doing now, in other words simply be good Catholics and do our duty. Like St John Berchmans we would continue to shoot pool.
Though you know St John is not the only saint to give such an answer. I must admit I would personally take a differing tack.
If someone were to tell me I were to die tomorrow I would head right away to pray in front of the Blessed Sacrament. I have always found such peace there , such an ocean of peace in such a stormy world. I have never ever gone to pray in fromt of the Blessed Sacrament and not come out ten times more happy and at peace than when I went in.
I was watching one of them end of the world Sci Fi films the other day and it showed the Faithful in their millions with the Pope in St Peter's Square whic is fine, but if I had a choice between that and just sitting in frnot of the Blessed Sacrament I would choose the Blessed Sacrament anytime.
Yes...be before the Blessed Sacrament ...not even a close call!
Yeah Beth, I think if I died in front of the Blessed Sacrament it would have to be with a smile on my face, for I would be in heaven already.
But imagine dying with the host actually on your lips like blessed Imelda.
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