Discussion in 'GARABANDAL LIBRARY' started by sponsa Christi, Dec 12, 2017.
Sponsa, I think we see communism now dominating the world, because communism boils down to atheism and to a set of rules made against the commandments of God and we see that with legalised abortion and same sex marriage becoming a worldwide phenomenon , although I believe it will get much worse.
Sponsa, the ideology of the Cultural Marxists progressives is what these girls are alluding as communism. And as Josephite states, it reflects a breakdown of God's Law and natural law. The acceptance of this evil is what Our Lady in 1917 at Fatima and the children of San Sebastian de Garabandal in the 1960's would rightly have described as communism. Communism is the political interpretation of the philosophy of Karl Marx, Marxism. What we have now in most countries is not the political view of communism, but its cultural interpretation, cultural Marxism. Where good is seen as evil, and evil is seen as good.
I'm also under the impression that the emergence of China as a global superpower could also indicate a domination of communism, specially if China is ever able to project their power globally.
Those are my two cents.
In other threads here some have tried to turn the prophesy into something that suits their personal interests and interpretations...
I am well aware that private revelations do not end up happening exactly as the visionary relates.
But to take the prophesy and conclude that it will not be 1. Sudden, 2 Led by Russia, 3 Communistic but rather an incremental, led by the USA and secular Capitalism, is a great stretch indeed. The problems of the west are not contrary to the prophesy about Russia. Remember at Fatima Our Lady said Russia would spread her errors. This does not preclude a sudden aggression led by Russia.
Let us remind ourselves of what the prophesy entailed as related by Mary Loli and outlined in this article of the Garabandal Jounal by perhaps the most respected Garabandal reporter, Barry Hanratty;
"A worldwide communist takeover led by Russia will appear to have succeeded and in the midst of this frightful aggression will be a harrowing persecution of the Church. Priests will have to go into hiding, the churches boarded up and it will become very difficult for the faithful to practice their religion. It will seem as though the Church had disappeared. The duration of this persecution is not known but it will take an act of God, the Warning, to stop it."
Remember that the Garabandal prophesy about the Russian led Communistic persecution happens "when Communism comes again". It should not be surprising then that for a period of time Russia would not be considered Communist. In addition Putin my well not be the Russian leader at the time of the persecution
what happened in Chile last year was a warning, see that the demonstrators on the left were setting churches on fire, imagine this happening in Europe? we would all think it is the time for the Warning, I think the pandemic could generate a financial crisis that will last for a few years and will be the trigger for the return of Communism
I pray that does not happen. May God have mercy.
Padraig put this video up on the thread remedies for the virus, its very good.
In the transcriptions of the interviews Mari Loli never states that Russia will be Communist again, because at the time of the apparitions Russia was still communist. For that reason, everyone assumed it would be Russia, because there was no other communist threat at the time. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be Russia. For it to be Russia, they will have to go back to communism first. If that happens then it will be the sign that the prophecy will be fulfilled in that sense.
Second, Mari Loli clearly states that she doesn't know if the communists will overrun Europe or the whole world, because for her Europe was the whole world (she states this explicitly).
Last, Jacinta says that she doesn't know if the communist threat is indeed an invasion. She says is "something that was a great evil in which communism played a great part". And later she admits that she confuses an invasion for a persecution. For that reason, we cannot know if it is actually an invasion.
Therefore, everything about this communist invasion is merely speculative. I tend to trust more on the words from the seers themselves rather than interpretations by scholars. God always chooses the lowly to deliver His messages, and he does that for a reason.
The transcriptions of the interviews can be found here:
I agree with you. There was a big financial crisis brewing before this virus. The European Central Bank was issuing bonds with negative interest rates while the US central bank was having to lower rates and fund the repo market (overnight lending) to the tune of tens of billions of dollars per day. So dollar liquidity, which keeps the whole world running, was evaporating. Emerging markets, especially China, were in a significant downturn already. This virus is a strangely coincident occurrence that allows for a greater power grab by all governments. There will be either a deep recession or depression (which was going to happen anyway) most likely accompanied by civil unrest which will permit something akin to martial law. Very evil times.
I sort of take a "que sara sara" attitude on some of this. Not being flippant, but ... what will be, will be.
While I do court some concerns, I also try to avoid "borrowing from trouble" (not implying anyone here is doing that).
Just doing a quick search:
Conchita's Aunt Antonia testified to having heard the visionaries say in ecstasy that "if we don't amend our ways, Russia will take possession of the whole world."
Mari Loli: "When Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world. God does not want this to happen so quickly. In any case the Warning will come when you will see that Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore; then it will be that the world will most need the intervention of God."
Garabandal Australia - Prophecy About Communism
Mari Loli later went on to say “Russia will suddenly & unexpectedly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world “.
Our Lady's Prophesies Garabandal
“When Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world. God does not want this to happen so quickly. In any case the Warning will come when you will see that Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore; then it will be that the world will most need the intevetnion of God”
Garabandal. Communism. Comes again
I think that it is very difficult to determine these things.
It is difficult to determine exactly what is going on right now in regard to this virus, right?
Was this Russia to the rescue? Many have said that they were of little help in Italy, idk but it reminds me a little bit of Venezuela when Russia and China "came to their rescue"...
Russia / Mideast
Intel: Why Moscow is dispatching its military to fight coronavirus in Syria, Italy
Maxim A. Suchkov March 25, 2020
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...ht-coronavirus-syria-italy.html#ixzz6ICP7zCpW
You are not being flippant. You are being sensible. It is a difficult task to refrain from borrowing trouble in the current milieu but it is possible. I am trying to do the very same thing.
It’s a delicate balance
Grounded in reality but trusting the Lord
“Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
While I have always believed the Garabandal visionaries. And the messages.
It was Divine Mercy where it was said a red cap would be the spark that started the preparation for Jesus to come and illuminate our consciences. Saint John Paul the Great fulfilled that prophesy.
At some point I remember reading to watch for the yellow race. Of course the yellow race is how Chinese are/were described. It would not have meant much all those years ago because China was not communist until the middle of the 20th Century. But oh how times have changed. Could this be it.
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I never mentioned Russia bringing communism back to the world. I was answering Luis' post in which he answered non sum dignus' post: "A worldwide communist takeover led by Russia will appear to have succeeded and in the midst of this frightful aggression will be a harrowing persecution of the Church. nsd's link did not work and the only quotes I know of the girls is that Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world.
This is Conchita's Aunt Antonia's testimony.
Blessed Elana Aiello, stigmatic and mystic...
FEAST OF THE IMMACULATE HEART - August 22, 1960
“If the people do not recognize in these scourges (of nature) the warnings of Divine Mercy, and do not return to God with truly Christian living, ANOTHER TERRIBLE WAR WILL COME FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. RUSSIA WITH HER SECRET ARMIES WILL BATTLE AMERICA; WILL OVERRUN EUROPE.
The river Rhine will be overflowing with corpses and blood. Italy, also, will be harassed by a great revolution, and the Pope will suffer terribly.”
Blessed Elana Aiello, stigmatic and mystic...
GOOD FRIDAY — 1961
The Sorrowful Madonna speaks: “People pay no attention to my motherly warnings, and thus the world is falling headlong evermore into an abyss of iniquity. Nations shall be convulsed by terrible disasters, causing destruction and death.
“Russia, spurred on by Satan, will seek to dominate the whole world and, by bloody revolutions, will propagate her false teachings throughout all the nations, especially in Italy. The Church will be persecuted and the Pope and the priests shall suffer much.”
Sister Elena Aiello speaks: “Oh, what a horrible vision I see! A great revolution is going on in Rome! They are entering the Vatican. The Pope is all alone; he s praying. They are holding the Pope. They take him by force. They knock him down to the floor. They are tying him. Oh, God! Oh God! They are kicking him. What a horrible scene! How dreadful!”