Vassula, who attacked St. JPII, praises Francis

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  1. BrianK

    BrianK MOG’s resident Rottweiler Staff Member

    I think it’s past time to stop promoting this fraud on MOG.

    Pope Francis Bashers ‘Get Out!’

    Vassula Rydén claimed Satan led Pope St. John Paul II astray

    by Jules Gomes • • May 20, 2020 37 Comments

    ROME ( - A controversial "mystic-led" movement which flouts Church law on intercommunion and is censured by the Vatican is threatening to expel followers "who have the temerity before Almighty God to openly criticize this Pope."

    Greek Orthodox Vassula Rydén, who claims to be a mystic, has written to Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant adherents of her True Life in Godmovement (TLIG) demanding, "All of those in our TLIG groups who are against Pope Francis who was chosen by Christ, I wish them to step down immediately and get out of TLIG!"

    Muslim imam speaking at TLIG 2019 pilgrimage in Athens

    On Friday, Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, a long-term defender of Rydén's "revelations," wrote to TLIG supporters reiterating that critics of Pope Francis "ought to leave TLIG."

    In his missive, Iannuzzi, author of A Theological Review of the Ecclesiastically Approved True Life in God Prophetic Revelations, attacked "the Church Militant website [which] has long been known for its anti-papal, anti-Medjugorge, anti-Ecumenical, anti-True Life in God, anti-Vatican II statements" as having "no ecclesial authorization."

    "The True Life in God messages that support Pope Francis have ecclesial authorization. End of story," Iannuzzi stated.

    However, a Rome-based canon lawyer said that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), had cautioned against Rydén's "alleged heavenly revelations."

    In a 1995 notification, then-Cdl. Joseph Ratzinger asked bishops to intervene so that "no opportunity may be provided in their Dioceses for the dissemination of her ideas" and invited "all the faithful not to regard Mrs. Vassula Rydén's writings and speeches as supernatural."

    The CDF noted that Rydén's messages had "positive aspects" but contained "a number of basic elements that must be considered negative in the light of Catholic doctrine."

    It pointed to "the suspect nature of the ways in which these alleged revelations have occurred" and underscored "several doctrinal errors they contain," noting among other concerns, that "the proximate arrival is foretold of a Church which would be a kind of pan-Christian community, contrary to Catholic doctrine."

    "The fact that the aforementioned errors no longer appear in Rydén's later writings is a sign that the alleged 'heavenly messages' are merely the result of private meditations," it ruled, adding:

    Moreover, by habitually sharing in the sacraments of the Catholic Church, even though she is Greek Orthodox, Mrs. Rydén is causing considerable surprise in various circles of the Catholic Church. She appears to be putting herself above all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and every canonical norm, and in effect, is creating an ecumenical disorder that irritates many authorities, ministers and faithful of her own Church, as she puts herself outside the ecclesiastical discipline of the latter.

    In 2007, CDF prefect Cdl. William Levada reiterated that "[t]he Notification of 1995 remains valid as a doctrinal judgment of the writings examined" and that "it remains inappropriate for Catholics to take part in prayer groups established by Mrs. Rydén."

    This reporter contacted Fr. Iannuzzi for his response to the allegations against Church Militant. "I am happy to retract my statement that Church Militant is against TLIG," he said.

    Concelebration at Mass includes ministers of other churches

    The "TLIG mission encourages constructive dialogue and fraternal correction ... but it does not advocate 'those public criticisms that are not open to nor have as their goal efforts of etablishing respectively a fraternal dialogue and correction with the Pope and/or his representatives on the issues to which they take exception,'" he clarified.

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  2. BrianK

    BrianK MOG’s resident Rottweiler Staff Member


    Questioning a cult-like uncritical attitude toward the pontiff, Catholic academic Dr. John Zmirak told Church Militant that "nothing was more scandalous than Catholics giving credibility to the Luther-era caricature that we consider the pope an oracle like the Sibyl, who utters new divine revelations that can contradict Scripture or Tradition."

    "That's the Mormon model, not ours. The pope is a steward like those of Gondor. Some would make of him instead a Saruman," Zmirak said.

    Church Militant asked Iannuzzi if TLIG expected uncritical loyalty even when the pontiff spoke on matters like globalization, climate change, immigration, ecological conversion, Islam, the Abu Dhabi declaration, etc.

    "When the Pope offers ambiguous expressions on ecology, Islam, immigration, globalization, etc., these ought to be read within the context of the teachings of his predecessors who also spoke on these themes," Iannuzzi responded, explaining:

    However, when the Pope's words appear to diverge from his predecessors teachings, I find it more advantageous for all not to straight-away openly defy the Pope, but first to seek to engage with him and/or those around him in a dialogue by petitioning for clarity, and the Pope should feel morally compelled to engage in said disucssions.

    In his bestselling book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism Dr. Zmirak writes:

    [T]he guarantee of papal infallibility applies only to teachings on faith and morals by limiting it to those instances "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he [the pope] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."

    "Everything else the pope and the bishops do and say is fair game for criticism," Zmirak stresses. "It is intrinsically impossible for the pope, as pope, to speak with authority on the details of climate science."

    "Nor is he better suited than you or I to evaluate the so-called 'consensus' of actual scientists," Zmirak adds. "He might as well be picking stocks or rewriting the scores of Broadway musicals, for which he has equal divine authority: none."

    In a Mic'd Up interview with Church Militant, Dr. Daniel Mahoney dismissed the idea of a "Francis magisterium," elaborating: "This is not the way we Catholics talk. Individual popes do not have their own magisterium. Our loyalty can't be to the will of a particular pope. That's a distortion of a proper understanding of the magisterium."

    Buddhist monk addressing the 2019 Athens pilgrimage

    For example, "the Koran, Pope Francis insists, is incompatible with 'every form of violence.' This is false, and everyone knows it," Mahoney writes in Pope Francis, Wayward Shepherd.

    But Rydén, in a November 2019 letter to TLIG followers, claims Jesus told her to "obey My Pope no matter what comes up." She asks critics of Francis to "get out" of TLIG "prayer groups, out of all our retreats and pilgrimages because you are like gangrene in the Body of Christ!"

    Critics like Fr. François-Marie Dermine note, though, that in Rydén's messages "the figure of the Pope is not at all intended as that safe and unshakable reference point willed by Christ and typical of the Catholic tradition."

    In a 50-page dossier, which includes photocopies of Rydén's supposedly divinely inspired "automatic writings," the Dominican priest points to the message of April 18, 1988, where Jesus through the "seer" tells then-Pope John Paul II: "Peter, take My Hand, Satan has digressed you from the truth!" A later redaction amends this to: "Satan has digressed many of you from the truth."

    Father Dermine reveals that Rydén's strategy is "to demonize her adversaries" and "this demonization is applied first of all to any kind of objection expressed inside the TLIG organizations."

    Critics also point to Rydén's promotion of intercommunion and concelebrated Eucharists between Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants.

    Copy of the "divinely dictated" message on Pope John Paul II

    A Catholic priest told Church Militant that these practices, prohibited by the canon law of both Catholic and Orthodox churches, started once TLIG began its pilgrimages over 15 years ago. He also revealed that a number of participants objected to the practices.

    Rydén claims that Jesus told her that the church had to gather "around One Altar."

    A number of participants at the Athens pilgrimage in 2019 expressed distress when a Buddhist monk went up to the altar to receive Holy Communion.

    Many pilgrims also walked out or refused to participate in sessions where Rydén had invited Muslim imams, Buddhist monks and a liberal Jewish rabbi to speak.

    Sources told Church Militant that a number of high-profile followers of TLIG who questioned inter-faith Rydén incursions at recent pilgrimages and elsewhere have also raised concerns about Pope Francis' pan-religious day of prayer for the pandemic.
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  3. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    BrianK, are you asking for an official change in policy? As in, cannot be mentioned anywhere?
  4. BrianK

    BrianK MOG’s resident Rottweiler Staff Member

    I think we can be adults and refrain from posting obviously fraudulent “visionaries.”
  5. Lepanto

    Lepanto New Member

    A couple of days ago, I was reading Heaven is real, but so is Hell, by Vassula Ryden.

    In it, she discusses something to the effect that Jesus has given her a mission to get Catholocism, Protestantism and Greek Orthodox to all "bend" to unify to some degree. Then yesterday I was reading the prophecies of Anne Catherine Emmerich and these quotes in particular reminded me of this unification and of the original post of this thread.

    “The Church is in great danger. We must pray so that the Pope may not leave Rome; countless evils would result if he did. They are now demanding something from him. The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere. I now see that in this place (Rome) the (Catholic) Church is being so cleverly undermined, that there hardly remain a hundred or so priests who have not been deceived. They all work for destruction, even the clergy. A great devastation is now near at hand.”

    "Then, I saw that everything that pertained to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of the destruction."

    I have a lot of respect for the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich after reading most of her revelations and found many of her prophecies listed at the link to be relative to many of the current topics going on around here.
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  6. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" Powers Staff Member

    Brian you have my outmost assurance from this moment forward that I will remove any future content relating to vassula from this forum... The first line of your first post was enough reading for me I needed not read any further... John Paul was lead astray... Enough end of discussion... Vassula is Toast on my watch......
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    I ended a significant friendship some years ago because of harsh things said about JPII. I felt exactly the same. This person became eventually a sedevacantist. Very sad to see. I miss the friendship but it had to be.
  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    These are really scary frightening times. It reminds of the words in the Book of the Apocalypse that go along the lines, 'If God did not act even the Righteous might be lost'.
    I never believed in this awful woman so that does not bother me, but what does is that so many people who I had a high respect for do believe in and support her. That really does scare me.

    Fr Joseph Iannuzzi for instance, a superbly educated Mystical Theologian of the highest repute. My jaw drops open to see him supporting her. Truly frightening.

    What terrible, terrible times we are going through. So sad.
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    You said it! When mystical theologians are taken in it is truly disturbing. The subtlety and deception of the enemy is staggering. That is why obedience to the magisterium is SO important. Why we must resist the thought that we know better. To place ourselves outside the authority of the Church's discernment is to enter in to the enemy's territory. Truly frightening.
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    This is a well-said post. We must resist the thought that we know better.
  11. BrianK

    BrianK MOG’s resident Rottweiler Staff Member

    Thanks Quis. I do have a certain intuition about these things, but if I act on them prematurely it can be seen as being heavy handed or censorious. So I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this subject as black or white.

    With your and @padraig’s permission I will do likewise.
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  12. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I've always considered discouragement as one of JoeJerk's most widely used tools. But having been a member here for many years, I also can see how the devil uses curiosity as a time consumer which can distract me from the pursuit of holiness. It is very tempting for me to latch onto the latest timetable or the latest visionary in order to be in the know.

    One's spiritual growth, or at least mine , proceeds at a snail's pace. But after all, the tortoise won the race. So I've concluded of late not to get too caught up in recent apparitions and locutions. I like how the apostle Peter summed it up:

    2 Pet 3: 9 The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! 13 But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 14 Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.

    Let us hasten the day through lives of holiness and godliness, and be at peace. Amen.
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  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I notice in the last Pedro Regis messages Our Lady spoke of being obedient to the TRUE Magisterium and spoke of Clericals being lost. So interesting. But it's true the Devil is hugely, hugely powerful.
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  14. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I think Our Lady said that at the last our final arm would be the rosary. I can see more and more how this could be true.
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  15. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    Well, during the Covid Lockdown of our churches, our rosaries was all we had. As long as we have our rosary, all is not lost.
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    I absolutely agree. I have suffered through this myself. It is why I have stood back from locutions and messages and apparitions. And time lines. It is curiosity. The Blessed Mother showed me this in prayer. I think it is also connected to a desire to control. At least for me. I have to continuously pull myself back to trust and surrender.
  17. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    This is very wise, thank you so much for posting.
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Msgr Charles Pope has published two blogs lately on this same topic.
    Well said.
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  19. Mario

    Mario Powers


    Yes, AED, it is a battle.
  20. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Since this remains the active thread, I just want you all to know my pastor invited my son, Danny, Geralyn and myself to Holy Mass in 30 minutes. You're in my prayers.

    Remember, Lord, your servants N. and N. and all gathered here, whose faith and devotion are known to you. For them, we offer you this sacrifice of praise or they offer it for themselves and all who are dear to them, for the redemption of their souls, in hope of health and well-being, and paying their homage to you, the eternal God, living and true.
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