Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by mothersuperior7, Oct 7, 2015.

  1. Tampa, Florida, 2013

    She speaks about Cardinal Razinger and Cardinal Burgoglio
    Excellent Town meeting!!

    Please don't tell me she is condemned. She is not. Please take the time to read her site or read what Peter B. and/or myself have written about her. The UNITY of the Church and the ONE DATE for Easter is her mission.

  2. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Really!! That would make the Church much larger.
    Pope Benedict saw the Church getting much smaller.
  3. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    Jesus also saw the church getting time....but if like me, you believe in Garabandal there will first be a time of great conversion after The Warning. How long the fervour of faith will last I do not know. Not long I fear. And then, The Chastisement.
  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Conchita does not talk of a great conversion. She expects the chastisement . Where does Conchita speak of a great conversion Joe?
  5. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    The Miracle is for the conversion of the whole world as far as I remember. I am ready for bed and very very tired so so don't hold me to this for now. I have to check.
    Garabandal News 203. From Jesus to Conchita. Also mentions Chastisement.
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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Only God knows when the reunification of all faithful Christians takes place. We know for sure it will take place immediately after the Warning if not before. I have a feeling, the Synod going on now, will have much to do with the Church becoming 'very small, but very holy' as Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) foretold. It could happen that the Orthodox join with the Catholics soon, but I don't see it till after the Warning.
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  7. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    Is not the true Church, the remant faithful, very small right now? Perhaps the Synod will make it even smaller. I was told years ago, "As the veil in the Temple was torn in two, so will My Church be.". Discernment needed.
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  8. I have been reading the True Life in God volumes by Vassula Ryden since 1994. I have read them so much that the covers have fallen off of most. We are all aware of the notification that she received from the CDF (the same as St Faustina) so I don't want to debate that as it serves no purpose. I only say for my part that the messages are close to my heart and profound.

    Jesus told Vassula that when the East and West unify the dates of Easter then he will do the rest. He just wants one act of brotherly love from them. He also said, "Who will lower their head first so that mine will be seen" speaking about the leaders of the Churches. Pope Francis already spoke about the need of unifying the dates of Easter earlier this year and said that he had no problem in being the first to "lower his head". I believe he is the Pope that will do this act of humbly.
  9. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    As MS7 has started this thread at this moment in time it seems appropriate to mention that Vassula will be reading out a new message from Jesus at the TLIG pilgrimage which begins in Rome on Saturday. Of this message, Vassula said the following back in June:
    "I have received a Message from Jesus Christ for the pilgrimage in Rome to be read out only there. I am thrilled with what Jesus says in His Message."

    I will post the message here as soon as I get it.
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  10. Your right. Maybe the schism will clear things up? interesting...
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  11. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    I just dont see messages lining up.
    Vassula does not line up with much.
    Charlie does not line up with Garabandal.
    Pope Benedict does not line up with the expected great springtime.
    I could go on and on...
    I guess I have my grumpy face on today:mad:
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  12. Bernadette

    Bernadette Archangels

    I think God is waiting for us (this forum) to waive the white flag and say "I surrender, and I get it now! I have to trust in You!" And only after everything has transformed will we fully understand.

    God Bless!
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  13. Joe Crozier

    Joe Crozier Guest

    God, I surrender and I get it now! I have to trust in You!
    (Mac will have to supply the waving white flag. I don't know how to post those clips.)
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  14. Jackie

    Jackie Archangels

    Who could ever forget this message? If all the world knew how Our Lord loves Mary most holy.
    One day. :)

    The Woman Adorned With The Sun

    March 20, 1996
    (This message was received from March 20-26, 1996. The Annunciation was on March 25, 1996.)

    I am your servant and I am here to serve You.
    Majesty, without You I am nothing.
    Pure contentment of my soul,
    I am listening.

    My beloved, come and learn: who has exalted Me most? I will tell you who exalted Me most: the New Eve has; yes! the Woman adorned with the sun, standing on the moon, with the twelve stars on Her Head for a crown; 1 for I who made heaven and all that is in it, and earth and all it bears and the sea and all it holds2 have placed Her above all these things; 3

    the Queen of heaven is always in the presence of the Most High's throne; no less than the height of heaven over earth is the greatness of Her Name; Her Name, wrapped in a robe of light; let the whole world bend their knee to Her who bears the Sacred Name:

    Mother of God;

    in her Immaculate womb She glorified Me by receiving Me, the unblemished Lamb, making a sanctuary for the Sanctuary; come and sing a new song in Her honour, let all who live on earth revere Her Immaculate Heart, the Altar in which I was conceived and became God-Man too; 4 no one glorified Me as much as the Woman adorned with the sun;

    yes! She is so superbly beautiful in Her perfect Love that the islands the mountains, the hills, the valleys and the springs all bow low when She passes by them; and today as yesterday, when Most Fair Love passes over the earth, escorted by My Angels whose eyes never cease admiring the Admirable, Holiest of all Virgins, marvelling at the Beauty of My Father's Masterpiece, when She passes over the earth, She lovingly intervenes, and answers your entreaties;

    let Me tell you: My Sacred Heart is your heaven; creation, My Sacred Heart, that so many of you deny and refuse, is your Heaven; your Paradise, your Kingdom; your Inheritance, your Place-of-Rest for Eternity; so approach this Heart that loves you so and I will pour out, from My Heart, in your heart countless blessings, to turn your soul as fair as springtime, to turn your soul into an ivory tower, a heaven for Myself alone; how can anyone doubt of My Love? ah, beloved, every time you doubt of My Love, the sun darkens in My distress ....

    today, I want to display, in My great Love, the Heart of My Mother, 5

    6 "O Masterpiece of My Father! O Sublime Masterpiece of Yahweh! Spouse to My Holy Spirit! My Radiant Tabernacle! Your Heart, Beloved of the Beloved, 7 is One with Ours! Your Heart is My enclosed garden, a sealed fountain; your Heart is a Fountain that makes the gardens fertile; your Heart, Adorable One, is My Throne, on which I have been honoured; Heart of the Heart, whom I crowned in Our presence and in the presence of all My celestial court, 8 how can any of My creatures deny Your Heart? 9 You, the Ark of power, all vested in virtues, My New Song, 10 My Harp, My Citadel, in whom the Maker of heaven and earth is ravished by Your magnificence, You who stand in Our Presence, stand ever so close to all who invoke You; yet, how has man fallen so low and taken a deceptive path to deny Your Heart?"

    have you not heard, creation, that I am the Heart of Her Heart? the Soul of Her Soul, the Spirit of Her Spirit? have you not heard that Our Two Hearts are united in One? consider My Redemptive Heart, consider Her Co-Redemptive Heart, consider the Delight of My Heart, rising like the dawn to brighten the earth in its darkness, consider the Queen's Heart that shines on mankind brighter in Her radiance than all the constellations put together; more resplendent than the sun; radiant as My Glory because of Her unique perfection; consider the Tabernacle of your God; consider and esteem highly as I esteem My Throne;

    do not ask: "how could it be that the Most High has assigned Her such a high throne in His Celestial Courts?" look, not only have I assigned Her as the Queen of My Angels and My creatures but I have assigned Her to be My Throne; the Queen of heaven and earth is the Throne of the King of kings, for I, the Lord of All, have placed Her as first in My Sacred Heart;

    born to be My Crown of Splendour, born to be the Vessel of the True Light who was made flesh from David's line, born to be My honour and My boast, the Spirit with Me and the Father said:

    "Mary full of grace, We are with you; We will hide none of the secrets from You, Our Breath will be your breath, pure emanation of Our Glory, Mary, Our image of Our Goodness, We give you Our Peace in Your Heart; in this perfect Heart I, the Son, shall triumph; Our Heart will be Your Heart, a burning furnace of divine love; Our Soul will be Your Soul, 11 an august treasure, a Paradise for Us; Our Spirit will be Your Spirit; yes, for anyone who is joined to Us is one spirit with Us;"

    this is the One whom We so highly favoured, the One whom so many reject and yet is the ointment of your eyes, the balm to your wounds, the merciful plea to the Eternal Father for your pleas; the intercessor and your advocate of your soul;

    feeble man .... the Spouse of My Holy Spirit is the Temple of the Temple, the promised land of the weak and the wretched, the reflection of My eternal Light; the consoler of Your Consoler is the comfort of your sorrows .... what has man to say? what can man say in his tent? how can he discover anything celestial in his perishable body when his soul is weighed down by sin, what the all-powerful Hand of My Father has done? you govern your mind, man, with no light, no sense;

    today, man, open your heart, then all the mysteries that appeared to you fathomless will be revealed to you by My Divine Light, thrice Holy, and you will understand who the Woman adorned with the sun is; then, your whole being will be lifted and your heart will be exulted and in rapture when your eyes will be unveiled to see the Blessed Heart of the blessed hearts, the Most Holy of saints, the Incomparable Heart, burning with unlimited love, a fire alight and so bright;

    then, My friend, you will understand what Virtue is, and how in this Virtuous Virginal Heart, I, God, became God-Man; you will see the Mother of your Saviour, Mother of the prophets, Mother of the disciples, Mother of charisms, Mother of Triumph, Mother of unlimited graces, Mother of unequalled Redemption; the Vineyard of the True Vine, the Path to the Path that leads everyone to Me, the Gate wide open to heaven for everyone to enter and have everlasting life;

    - have you not noticed how My Heart melts and favours always Her Heart? how can this Heart, who bore your King, be denied anything She asks from Me? all the faithful bless Her Heart for in blessing Her Heart you will be blessing Me;

    Queenly and adorable you will proclaim Her once you get to know Her; so lift your eyes, creation, at the sight of Her Heart and I promise you, you will never stop growing in radiance; your heart will be lifted in to the furnace of Her Heart, and, throbbing with delight and full, you will enter Her Heart as one entering an ocean of love, since the riches of Her Heart are as wide as the Sea that flows to you and you to this Sea; the Wealth of heaven and earth lie all in Her Heart and they can be all for you!

    though night still covers your mind and heart, arise! arise and lift your eyes at this radiant sight of Her Heart, that so many prophets wanted to see in their time, but had not seen It; arise and sing a new hymn to the Hymn of the Most Holy Trinity, sing and say: "brothers! sisters! come and be covered by the Mantle of Grace in Grace; come and be covered by the Queen's Light; come, let us be overshadowed by the One who was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit;" have you not heard how the nations will come to Her Light and that the kings will come to Her dawning brightness, when in the end Her Heart will triumph together with Mine? mystery for the rich in heart, but for the poor and lowly a Blessing so longed for ....

    O come! before the floods of sin overtake you! come in this Ark12 that can save you; do not be like your ancestors in the days of Noah, who did not listen; come into the Ark and you will be saved from the tempestuous waters of sin, and from perishing in the floods of sin; come and become the promised child of the Mediatrix as a result of the devotion you would have had for Her;

    in your devotion for Her you will be devoting yourself to Me; every devotion, honouring Her Heart, will amplify and ascend on Me since Our union is so perfect; in your devotion for Her Heart, all My decrees will be better understood in Her Light, because your steps will be guided by Her Heart since your hand will be taken by the Throne of Graces Herself; how blessed you will be to repeat your devotion to Her Heart!

    come to the One, so Blessed, who shows Her Motherly Love to Her children by showing them the way to heaven; come to the Co-Redemptress of your Redeemer whose Heart, burning with Love, was offered to be pierced too for your sake; come and honour this Heart, alight as a Lamp, shining within and without near My Heart;

    if you say: "we have no use for Her Heart", know that in reality you are saying: "we have no use for the Lord's Heart!" learn, feeble man, that My Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of your Mother are so united that in their perfect unity those Two Divine Hearts become One; I tell you solemnly: if you acknowledge Her Heart, not only will you be acknowledging My Heart but also the Father's; have I not said that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? if I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, My Heart, too, is in the Father and His Heart is in Mine; to say that We are not inseparable and One, is to deny My Word; do not be the slave of your spirit and do not be won by the arguments of the world; ....
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  15. I am always so moved by the Lord's words in these messages. I read all the Volumes. I absolutely believe them. Very profound and one could meditate on the messages day and night. I LOVE listening to the TLIG RADIO. Its a very good tool to spread the messages and they are on every continent now. I would love to open one of the Miriam Houses to feed the poor like she does. They are all over the world now. We are going to need them more and more. The love Vassula expresses BACK TO JESUS is one of the most beautiful exchanges I've ever read anywhere. ONLY from the depths of her soul could words come out that beautiful.
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Mac, or it could be that your outlook, overview or interpretation of things do not line up with what has been revealed. Time will tell, but there is only a few things I will tie down my understand to, as we have been surprised at how God does things that differ from what we thought and our timing.
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  17. andree

    andree Archangels

    That is a good interview, thank you for posting it MS7.

    I love Vassula's talks, she always speaks in plain and straightforward language, with humbling testimonies and simple honest answers. The world is so fortunate to have her, alive and telling her story today. Her experience with God through her mystical gifts and the TLIG messages are such a blessing given to us in our times. I can't think of any other work that allows you to follow God Himself raising a soul from the ashes to where she is now: from an apostised socialite with no interest in religion whatsoever to mystical prophet and God's tireless instrument, who still travels the world and witnesses to thousands annually at the age of 73.

    I was reminded in listening to her in that video that Father Laurentin once said he thinks she could be THE most attacked prophet of all time.

    God bless Vassula and True Life in God, our Father's Love Hymn.
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  18. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    7 out of 10 Catholics in North America don't attend Church. 9 out of 10 in Europe don't attend. The number is a bit higher in Africa and Asia, but overall the number of attendees is nowhere near the 1.2 billion Catholics that is often cited. That is only the number of people who were baptized. If you asked all of those who do attend services, do they believe all that the Church requires you to believe the number would be much lower. And these numbers are on a rocket ride down because the population of Church-goers in the Western World is skewed heavily to people who are senior citizens.
  19. Charlie Johnston

    Charlie Johnston Archangels

    Something I have been contemplating of late, Mac...sometimes we use different words to describe the same event. I know I use the term "Rescue" and "Triumph of the Immaculate Heart" interchangeably now. The Rescue is how it was always explained to me, but numerous people I regard highly told me it sounded like what I was describing was the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. I came to agree with them...though it has never been called that to me. What if the "Miracle" or the "Illumination of Conscience" was the same event? I think it is possible, maybe even likely.

    I know the traditional advocates of Garabandal say there will be visible signs. I say the same - though we describe it in different terms. I also note that before a definitive event happens, it often pleases God to send foreshadowings. Thus, Adam, Moses, Abraham and David were all images - imperfect, but images nonetheless - of the definitive Messiah to come. So could there be illuminations now foreshadowing the Illumination to come? Also, I have found that authentic prophecies often are not so we know a sequence with certainty, but that we contemplate it with greater depth and rigor.

    Please don't think I am trying to start an argument. You are a steadfast advocate of your point of view and I respect that. I actually would like to hear your thoughts on this line of examination though after you have pondered it.

    Also, I love the great candid photo you attached of yourself ;-)
  20. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I have studied prophecy in detail for 20 years.

    But I have given up trying to work things out (I mean really given up !!).

    God is Sovereign and has a predetermined plan that will come to fruition. Prophecy only makes sense "afterwards" when we look back! So I leave all in God's hands.

    One thing I have learnt - that the mercy of God is almost inexhaustible. But even God's patience must be wearing thin:whistle:

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