VACCINES

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Fede, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. andree

    andree Archangels

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  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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  3. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Would love to hear peoples opinions on what this priest is saying.

     
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  4. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Wow!
     
  5. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    I do not get a sense of peace from him at all.
    I think he is extremely fearful.
    I have my reservations about taking a vaccine that alters DNA but vaccines are not, in and of themselves, evil. They have saved millions of lives.

    BTW I believe he is a brother not a priest.
    I have also read that he is also perhaps not a brother...Not a member of a recognized religious community...Is he a schismatic?
    https://twitter.com/FrMatthewLC/status/1330291552745377795
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    His ( the brother in the video) perspective here... https://fromrome.info/2020/11/22/to-take-a-rna-vaccine-is-the-ultimate-act-of-rebellion-against-god/
    "If we alter or allow to be altered our DNA, then we are no longer the sons of Adam. And therefore, we can no longer obtain salvation in Christ Jesus."

    He has extreme views and everything seems to be conspiracy for him. He says the SSPX are Masons, the order that provides the Traditional Latin Mass for faithful Catholics. As you can read here... https://fromrome.info/2020/11/21/the-sspx-outs-itself-as-a-globalist-5th-column/

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    I believe he takes the argument too far. Therapies that alter genetic abnormalities in order to cure disease do not render a person not a person as explained here...
    https://www.usccb.org/about/pro-lif...05-rlp-pamphlet-Coors-Genetic-Enhancement.pdf

    "Pope John Paul II used the enhancement/therapy distinction to address the morality of genetic alterations long before it was scientifically plausible to effect such changes in the human genome. In 1983, he endorsed therapeutic interventions such as those affecting “chromosomal deficiencies” when the intervention promotes well-being, and does not harm the biological integrity of the human person or cause increased suffering.2 John Paul II also approved genetic enhancement when the intervention “aims at improving the human biological condition” with two provisos: the intervention must not interfere with the origin of human life in natural conception, and it must respect the dignity of the human person and the “common biological nature” that provides the basis of human liberty.

    Catholic teaching, as explained by John Paul II, thus defends a human essence that possesses inherent dignity and deserves respect and protection. John Paul expressed concern that genetic enhancement could result in changes that “provoke fresh marginalization” in the world by altering human traits so as to compromise the integrity of humans. He warned that genetic intervention must not “derive from a racist, materialist mentality aimed at human happiness which is really reductive. Man’s dignity transcends his biological condition.” That which is transcendent in the human being, our dignity and freedom, must be protected from technological assault.3 These comments reveal John Paul II’s concern that the power of genetics could reduce the human person to his or her genes, a kind of Genes-R-Us mentality that claims we are our genes and nothing more. Even at the purely biological/social levels, there is ample evidence to refute this mindset when we consider the astonishing accomplishments of persons with disabilities, who overcome life-limiting genetic conditions to perform well beyond what their DNA would seem to dictate."
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    For those interested in Pope John Paul's teaching on this here is a link...
    http://www.vatican.va/content/john-...f_jp-ii_spe_19831029_ass-medica-mondiale.html

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    For your consideration:
    National Catholic Bioethics Center...
    https://www.ncbcenter.org/making-sense-of-bioethics-cms/column-182-covid-19-vaccine-myths

    https://www.ncbcenter.org/making-se...-covid-19-vaccine-ethical-yg24z-2ajw5?rq=mRNA
     
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  6. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Pfizer's website explains this in detail as well.

    But, if anyone can find solid reliable information on nanotechnology being used in these vaccines related to government surveillance. Please share direct links on a separate thread. In my opinion, that is on par with fetal cells!!!

    Our cells all have RNA. Someone needs to spell out any real problems with mRNA with these vaccines.

    Truth is, my trip may only get off the ground if we are vaccinated, or all testing negative 48hrs prior to departure.
     
  7. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Thanks for the lengthy reply full of references, I do appreciate that. It did cross my mind as well that he has little peace, but a lot of what he said I have come to much the same conclusions as well lately.

    I did share the video here first because I was not completely sure about it. Especially what he said about the Knights of Columbanus.

    Thanks, I must go through those references now.
     
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  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    This is the hard-to-swallow truth about a future coronavirus vaccine (and yes, I'm a doctor)

    Upon examining Moderna’s non-peer reviewed press release, the actual data on the vaccine’s success is even more flimsy. According to the document, of the 45 patients who received the vaccine, the data on “neutralising antibody data are available only for the first four participants in each of the 25-microgram and 100-microgram dose level cohorts.” In other words, that means that when it comes to finding out whether the vaccine elicits an antibody response that could potentially fight the coronavirus, they only had data on eight patients. That’s not enough to do any type of statistical analysis and it also brings into question the status of the other 37 patients who also received the vaccine.

    Moreover, when it comes to determining whether the “neutralising antibodies” were clinically effective against the coronavirus, the only data Moderna alluded to were from mice. Not only are there huge differences between mice and men, but history also proves that success in animal models is often not replicated in human studies. This is especially the case for Moderna’s messenger RNA vaccine, which would be the world’s first to ever reach the market if it passes clinical trials.


    Many vaccines, like for influenza a.k.a flu, use an inactivated virus that is destroyed by heat or chemicals like formaldehyde so that it can elicit an immune response without infecting you. Others — like for measles, mumps, and rubella — use a live attenuated virus that is cultivated in such a way that it makes the virus weak and unable to hurt you but still able to train your immune system to fight it. Moderna’s messenger RNA vaccine, on the other hand, is completely new and revolutionary to say the least. It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus. In this case, Moderna’s mRNA-1273 is programmed to make your cells produce the coronavirus’ infamous spike protein that gives the virus its crown-like appearance (“corona” is crown in Latin) for which it is named.

    In many ways, the vaccine almost behaves like an RNA virus itself except that it hijacks your cells to produce the parts of the virus, like the spike protein, rather than the whole virus. Some messenger RNA vaccines are even self-amplifying. That means they encode not only the protein antigen of interest to elicit an immune response but also produce their own RNA dependent RNA polymerase, so that they can force the cell to replicate more copies of it. At that point, it will be hard to convince conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers that a self-amplifying messenger RNA vaccine is not an artificially created self-replicating virus. In fact, public acceptance of this new paradigm is not something to be easily dismissed nor taken for granted. There are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including the possibility that they generate strong type I interferon responses that could lead to inflammation and autoimmune conditions.

    The fact remains that messenger RNA vaccines have never before been brought to market for human patients. So the hype surrounding Moderna’s vaccine requires us to take not one but two leaps of faith — that it works for a never-before-seen virus and in a never-before-seen way.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...e-doctor-moderna-novavax-oxford-a9523091.html
     
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  9. MMM

    MMM Archangels

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr: ‘New COVID Vaccine Should Be Avoided At All Cost’
    November 21, 2020


    Robert F. Kennedy Jr
    Principa Scientific


    I would like to draw your attention urgently to important issues related to the next Covid-19 vaccination. For the first time in the history of vaccination, the so-called last generation mRNA vaccines intervene directly in the genetic material of the patient and therefore alter the individual genetic material, which represents the genetic manipulation, something that was already forbidden and until then considered criminal.

    This intervention can be compared to genetically manipulated food, which is also highly controversial. Even if the media and politicians currently trivialize the problem and even stupidly call for a new type of vaccine to return to normality, this vaccination is problematic in terms of health, morality and ethics, and also in terms of genetic damage that, unlike the damage caused by previous vaccines, will be irreversible and irreparable.

    Dear patients, after an unprecedented mRNA vaccine, you will no longer be able to treat the vaccine symptoms in a complementary way. They will have to live with the consequences, because they can no longer be cured simply by removing toxins from the human body, just as a person with a genetic defect like Down syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, genetic cardiac arrest, hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, Rett syndrome, etc.), because the genetic defect is forever!

    This means clearly: if a vaccination symptom develops after an mRNA vaccination, neither I nor any other therapist can help you, because the damage caused by the vaccination will be genetically irreversible. In my opinion, these new vaccines represent a crime against humanity that has never been committed in such a big way in history. As Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an experienced doctor, said: In fact, this “promising vaccine” for the vast majority of people should be FORBIDDEN, because it is genetic manipulation! ”

    The vaccine, developed and endorsed by Anthony Fauci and funded by Bill Gates, uses experimental mRNA technology. Three of the 15 human guinea pigs (20%) experienced a “serious adverse event”.

    Note: messenger RNA or mRNA is the ribonucleic acid that transfers the genetic code of the DNA of the cell nucleus to a ribosome in the cytoplasm, that is, the one that determines the order in which the amino acids of a protein bind and act as a mold or pattern for the synthesis of that protein.
     
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  10. garabandal

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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Brother Bugnolo was a Franciscan brother and he was let go by the order, I seem to recall. He seems schismatic to me. He is an independent "brother" if you can call him that. I believe he is way out and not really attached to the Church. That said, I have disliked his stance for a long time so there you have it from me. I would run the other way as fast as I could.
     
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  13. Fede

    Fede Archangels

    Robert F. Kennedy on the Vaccines..... basically these vaccines were designed to succeed...so they can't fail their testing process! On top if everything else of course ..

    Watch "The Problem With the COVID Vaccine | Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Explains to Theo Von" on YouTube
     
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  14. Fede

    Fede Archangels

    This is a good article to read from Spirit Daily on vaccines.
    I beg the question: do we want to choose life on earth at all costs? I think this a question we each have to ask ourselves. When I suggested to my son what he can do to protect himself from the virus he responded "if God wants to take me that won't work." (I wasn't suggesting vaccines) He really made me think about that.

    https://spiritdailyblog.com/mail/from-the-mail-about-vaccines
     
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  15. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Epoch Times excerpt regarding Quantas. Too clumsy to paste link on my phone.

    "Airlines and governments around the world are working on the extensive technology and logistics required to implement an electronic “vaccination passport” that will certify what vaccines a traveller has and if it’s acceptable to the country the person is travelling to. “The airlines and the governments are working on this as we speak,” Joyce said."
     
  16. Fede

    Fede Archangels

    Shortly a chip for sure will be coming...I hooe and now pray for the warning to come soon...
     
  17. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    My understanding is the Warning will be shortly Before the chip.
     
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  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Daniel Oconnor's blog, I believe, is spot on as it concerns the vaccine.
    https://dsdoconnor.com/2020/11/24/on-the-more-radical-covid-vaccine-theories/

    On the More Radical Covid Vaccine Theories

    I have a friendly, but strong, admonition for those who are now promoting certain radical theories regarding the forthcoming Covid vaccines. (Before presenting them, I will remind you that I am not advocating for getting the vaccine; it may well be dangerous, it may well be unethical. It may well be part of a terribly dark and nefarious international agenda. I do not yet know; if I am able to come to clearer conclusions on this I will let you know with a new post.). This is frankly not something I want to write about, but considering my position, I think I must. For, with respect to what I’ve been writing for the last 10+ years, I am one person whom no one could fairly castigate as being insufficiently sensitive to the Signs of the Times, the apocalyptic nature of our present age, and the warnings from Heaven in trustworthy private revelation.

    And yet I must say bluntly: You who promote these more radical theories are risking playing the role of the boy who cried wolf. For once your voice is actually needed in order to speak out, no one will believe you, for they will say “Ah, yes, that’s the same person who made all those utterly comical assertions about the Covid vaccine!”

    The more radical claims now circulating online regarding the vaccine (e.g. that it will drastically alter our DNA thus making us transhuman monsters, override our free wills and our minds, make us ineligible for God’s grace, damn us to hell, make us controllable via 5G, etc.) are so apocalyptic that they certainly constitute assertions that the vaccine is the Mark of the Beast itself. Have those Christians promoting these theories paused for even a moment to consider one simple fact? Namely, the fact that the Mark of the Beast cannot be given until the Beast himself has made his public entrance. The Beast (the Antichrist), however, has not yet made his public entrance. Dark indeed as these days have grown, we are still in the Infrastructure-Laying period of preparation for the Antichrist, not in the times of his explicit activities.

    Read the Book of Revelation Chapter 13. You will see clearly that all manner of things must happen before the Mark of the Beast is given — things we clearly have not seen yet. First, the Beast assumes worldwide dominion, and the peoples of the earth revere him. The Beast also works great apparent signs and wonders that the world marvels at; even making “fire come down from Heaven.” Then, and only then, (verses 16-18), the Mark of the Beast is instituted.

    Furthermore, we know from the prophetic consensus that the Antichrist does not publicly enter the scene and institute the Mark until after the Warning, which obviously has not happened yet.

    Speaking of private revelation: if Heaven’s messages these days are useful for anything at all, and indeed they are!, then they certainly will warn us — without any ambiguity, with a clear prophetic consensus, and with a superlative degree of urgency — against the Mark of the Beast when it comes. And yet, we do not have anything close to that in the messages we now see. We see warnings of what the nefarious elite want to do, for sure. We have warnings to be careful about vaccines, indeed. But we haven’t anything even remotely close to a prophetic consensus indicating that the Covid vaccine is the Mark of the Beast, or that any of the wild theories out there about it are true.

    So from both Scripture and private revelation, it is clear that the present Covid vaccines are not the Mark of the Beast. This fact also tells us that any individual claims about the vaccine that are so apocalyptic as to render it tantamount to the Mark, must themselves be claims that are to not be believed.

    But let us now also consider the claims themselves. I am certainly open to theories about the vaccine arguing it is unsafe, harmful to one’s health, unethical in its development, or a means of authoritarian control. I am even open to theories that argue the vaccine is part of a dark agenda to cull the human population or promote some other nefarious agenda. What I am not open to — and what you, dear reader, must not be open to — are claims about the vaccine that (even if bedecked in terms from Christian theology) contradict an orthodox Catholic philosophical anthropology (understanding of human nature) and an orthodox Catholic worldview in general. This is precisely what the more wild Covid vaccine claims do: in supposedly seeking to protect our Faith, they contradict our Faith.

    I will have to get specific and name some names here, contrary to my usual practice.

    My inbox has been inundated, since July of this year, with the videos of a certain Dr. Carrie Madej. First of all, we must understand that Dr. Madej is not a scientist. MDs are quite knowledgeable and usually very trustworthy, but they are not scientists and we mustn’t erroneously regard them as such; they are trained pragmatically to treat their patients, not to master the scientific theory at play nor to contribute scholarly scientific research. But I think it’s worth noting that Madej is not even an MD. She is an “O.D.” (a doctor of osteopathy). ODs do not focus on solidly research-based approaches as much as MDs do. I am not condemning osteopathic medicine (I do not know much about it), but we must admit that at least some of the practices that have been associated with it are related to themes that Catholic Teaching regards as new age and/or pseudoscientific . This doesn’t mean we should reject ODs; I just think it means we should be a bit more cautious with them than with MDs, when it comes to the question of whether something may be pseudoscientific, is all. Anyway, take all that as you will; they are not essential points I wish to make here, though I think they should be kept in mind as we consider Madej’s claims. I’m sure ODs are generally wonderful and trustworthy; perhaps even Madej herself is, outside of this particular issue.

    In her videos, Madej claims that this vaccine will turn us into Transhuman monsters by changing our DNA, and that this will also allow our minds to be controlled, our beliefs to be overridden, and on the list goes. These claims are absurd. Others have made similar claims (though very few if any serious, actual scientists who specialize in these fields have). A certain Croatian named Neven Peša has expounded upon such themes, employing terms from Catholic theology.

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  19. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Daniel Oconnor blog continued......


    I will not address the medical dimension of these claims — that is not my specialty. If you’re interested in that, please see, for example, this article. It was written by one who actually is a PhD scientist who has contributed authoritative scholarly research — and not only that, he is an orthodox Catholic priest who has defended Catholic orthodoxy on controversial issues.

    But the philosophy and theology (which is my speciality) of such claims, is utterly bankrupt, and possibly even heretical.

    First of all, your spiritual soul is untouchable. Your mind — your intellect, memory, and will — are not material things. They are spiritual powers of your spiritual soul. Sure, they have neurochemical phenomena that follow them and correspond to them, but the causal chain cannot be reversed. Considering your intellect itself, your memory itself, your will itself — while they can each have their abilities inhibited by material phenomena, they cannot be controlled by any theoretically possible material phenomena. No vaccine, no injection, no nano-robot, no nano-particle. Nothing. See my post from September for a more complete demonstration of this point.

    Secondly, you are not your DNA. You are your soul (which, though unified with the body, also subsists and operates distinctly from the body). Identical twins have identical DNA but are entirely different people. People born with even the worst genetic deformities are still people just as much as you are. Your DNA is degenerating — changing — as you age, yet you do not become a different person. Anyone who has ever had cancer has suffered from a condition that affects their DNA; yet they remain exactly the same person, no matter how advanced or pervasive the cancer.

    It would of course be tragic if your DNA were modified — we should oppose human genetic modification because we must not erroneously suppose that our ideas for human design are better than God’s ideas! But we should still remember that no matter what is done to your DNA, you will still be you. You will still be a human. God’s grace will still be available to you. So long as you exist within time and have not yet had your Particular Judgment, God’s grace will always be available to you. Always. No matter what. Period. I solemnly assure you of that. Don’t you dare ever doubt that. If you doubt that, then you will succumb to despair. And then, in superlative irony, your despair-driven damnation will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. What an utterly terrible thought. Perhaps Judas was only damned because the devil beguiled him into thinking that what he had done was permanent and unforgivable, changing his very nature into evil itself — rendering him no longer really human — a lie from the pit of hell.

    Contradicting these facts, Neven wrote, “RNA altering dehumanizes us genetically,” and he built most of his argument off of this erroneous premise. But the fact is that you are a human, and you cannot be “dehumanized.” Or rather, the only thing that can “dehumanize” you is good old fashioned death — the separation of your soul from your body. If something is done to you that “dehumanizes” you, then all that means is that your soul has departed your body and has been judged by Jesus Christ and gone on to either Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. Somebody or something left on earth may, then, be messing with your corpse. That’s surely unfortunate… but, at the end of the day, we must respond: “so what?” Your mortal remains left on earth after your death are not you and what is done to them cannot affect you.

    Neven goes on to write: “This is really about ontology and sacramental theology. If Grace builds on nature or perfects nature, then if the nature is not there or has been altered, then Grace cannot attach itself to it. Matter matters. The same reason you cannot confect Eucharist using banana bread is the reason why Grace cannot attach itself to a GMO entity.”

    It just so happens that the analogy he here chose perfectly refutes the point he himself is trying to make. Leaving aside for now the question of the merits or demerits of GMO foods, one fact remains: if a Eucharistic host is made from bread that itself was made from a GMO strain of wheat, that host will still be validly consecrated. The fact that “grace builds upon nature,” as indeed it does, does not mean that grace “cannot attach itself” to something that has had its DNA modified. That conclusion in no way follows from its premise. In this case, we know that wheat remains wheat, and thus remains valid matter for consecration, even if its DNA is toyed with. This is Church Teaching.

    Eucharistic matter made with genetically modified organisms can be considered valid matter [for consecration of the Eucharist] (cf. Letter to the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, 9 December 2013, Prot. N. 89/78 – 44897).

    — Cardinal Sarah. Congregation for Divine Worship. June 15, 2017

    This entire idea that “a thing’s essence is its DNA” is actually a fundamental tenet of the heresy of Scientism and it is precisely the premise that the atheists use to strive to argue against the immateriality of the human soul. As a philosopher, I have to deal with atheistic assertions like this all the time. But how sad it is to see the Faithful succumb to these very premises used to attack the Faith!

    I do not wish to malign the motives of Dr. Madej, Neven Pesa, or those who have made similar arguments (or promoted these arguments); they seem to be sincere Christians. But they are promoting dangerous errors here. Please keep your head screwed on straight in these times of unprecedented confusion. In my next post, I will be giving more advice on how to do just that. The Diabolical “quantum leap” that the Antichrist and his minions will seek to foist upon us will require not just Faith, but also reason, to avoid. We must take both seriously.
     
  20. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Fatima, I could Hug you for this bold reminder!!

    At Mass tonight, I received a much needed answer/reassurance. The need to let go where I need & be quite choosy in my battles. I immediately started praying for that wisdom. Show me where to let go and which battles I do need to fight!

    I have little doubt I will need a vaccine for my group trip.
     

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