Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Fede, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:41 PM.

  1. andree

    andree Archangels

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  2. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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  3. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Would love to hear peoples opinions on what this priest is saying.

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  4. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

  5. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    I do not get a sense of peace from him at all.
    I think he is extremely fearful.
    I have my reservations about taking a vaccine that alters DNA but vaccines are not, in and of themselves, evil. They have saved millions of lives.

    BTW I believe he is a brother not a priest.
    I have also read that he is also perhaps not a brother...Not a member of a recognized religious community...Is he a schismatic?
    His ( the brother in the video) perspective here...
    "If we alter or allow to be altered our DNA, then we are no longer the sons of Adam. And therefore, we can no longer obtain salvation in Christ Jesus."

    He has extreme views and everything seems to be conspiracy for him. He says the SSPX are Masons, the order that provides the Traditional Latin Mass for faithful Catholics. As you can read here...

    I believe he takes the argument too far. Therapies that alter genetic abnormalities in order to cure disease do not render a person not a person as explained here...

    "Pope John Paul II used the enhancement/therapy distinction to address the morality of genetic alterations long before it was scientifically plausible to effect such changes in the human genome. In 1983, he endorsed therapeutic interventions such as those affecting “chromosomal deficiencies” when the intervention promotes well-being, and does not harm the biological integrity of the human person or cause increased suffering.2 John Paul II also approved genetic enhancement when the intervention “aims at improving the human biological condition” with two provisos: the intervention must not interfere with the origin of human life in natural conception, and it must respect the dignity of the human person and the “common biological nature” that provides the basis of human liberty.

    Catholic teaching, as explained by John Paul II, thus defends a human essence that possesses inherent dignity and deserves respect and protection. John Paul expressed concern that genetic enhancement could result in changes that “provoke fresh marginalization” in the world by altering human traits so as to compromise the integrity of humans. He warned that genetic intervention must not “derive from a racist, materialist mentality aimed at human happiness which is really reductive. Man’s dignity transcends his biological condition.” That which is transcendent in the human being, our dignity and freedom, must be protected from technological assault.3 These comments reveal John Paul II’s concern that the power of genetics could reduce the human person to his or her genes, a kind of Genes-R-Us mentality that claims we are our genes and nothing more. Even at the purely biological/social levels, there is ample evidence to refute this mindset when we consider the astonishing accomplishments of persons with disabilities, who overcome life-limiting genetic conditions to perform well beyond what their DNA would seem to dictate."

    For those interested in Pope John Paul's teaching on this here is a link...

    For your consideration:
    National Catholic Bioethics Center...
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  6. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Pfizer's website explains this in detail as well.

    But, if anyone can find solid reliable information on nanotechnology being used in these vaccines related to government surveillance. Please share direct links on a separate thread. In my opinion, that is on par with fetal cells!!!

    Our cells all have RNA. Someone needs to spell out any real problems with mRNA with these vaccines.

    Truth is, my trip may only get off the ground if we are vaccinated, or all testing negative 48hrs prior to departure.
  7. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Thanks for the lengthy reply full of references, I do appreciate that. It did cross my mind as well that he has little peace, but a lot of what he said I have come to much the same conclusions as well lately.

    I did share the video here first because I was not completely sure about it. Especially what he said about the Knights of Columbanus.

    Thanks, I must go through those references now.
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  8. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    This is the hard-to-swallow truth about a future coronavirus vaccine (and yes, I'm a doctor)

    Upon examining Moderna’s non-peer reviewed press release, the actual data on the vaccine’s success is even more flimsy. According to the document, of the 45 patients who received the vaccine, the data on “neutralising antibody data are available only for the first four participants in each of the 25-microgram and 100-microgram dose level cohorts.” In other words, that means that when it comes to finding out whether the vaccine elicits an antibody response that could potentially fight the coronavirus, they only had data on eight patients. That’s not enough to do any type of statistical analysis and it also brings into question the status of the other 37 patients who also received the vaccine.

    Moreover, when it comes to determining whether the “neutralising antibodies” were clinically effective against the coronavirus, the only data Moderna alluded to were from mice. Not only are there huge differences between mice and men, but history also proves that success in animal models is often not replicated in human studies. This is especially the case for Moderna’s messenger RNA vaccine, which would be the world’s first to ever reach the market if it passes clinical trials.

    Many vaccines, like for influenza a.k.a flu, use an inactivated virus that is destroyed by heat or chemicals like formaldehyde so that it can elicit an immune response without infecting you. Others — like for measles, mumps, and rubella — use a live attenuated virus that is cultivated in such a way that it makes the virus weak and unable to hurt you but still able to train your immune system to fight it. Moderna’s messenger RNA vaccine, on the other hand, is completely new and revolutionary to say the least. It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus. In this case, Moderna’s mRNA-1273 is programmed to make your cells produce the coronavirus’ infamous spike protein that gives the virus its crown-like appearance (“corona” is crown in Latin) for which it is named.

    In many ways, the vaccine almost behaves like an RNA virus itself except that it hijacks your cells to produce the parts of the virus, like the spike protein, rather than the whole virus. Some messenger RNA vaccines are even self-amplifying. That means they encode not only the protein antigen of interest to elicit an immune response but also produce their own RNA dependent RNA polymerase, so that they can force the cell to replicate more copies of it. At that point, it will be hard to convince conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers that a self-amplifying messenger RNA vaccine is not an artificially created self-replicating virus. In fact, public acceptance of this new paradigm is not something to be easily dismissed nor taken for granted. There are unique and unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines, including the possibility that they generate strong type I interferon responses that could lead to inflammation and autoimmune conditions.

    The fact remains that messenger RNA vaccines have never before been brought to market for human patients. So the hype surrounding Moderna’s vaccine requires us to take not one but two leaps of faith — that it works for a never-before-seen virus and in a never-before-seen way.
  9. MMM

    MMM Archangels

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr: ‘New COVID Vaccine Should Be Avoided At All Cost’
    November 21, 2020

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr
    Principa Scientific

    I would like to draw your attention urgently to important issues related to the next Covid-19 vaccination. For the first time in the history of vaccination, the so-called last generation mRNA vaccines intervene directly in the genetic material of the patient and therefore alter the individual genetic material, which represents the genetic manipulation, something that was already forbidden and until then considered criminal.

    This intervention can be compared to genetically manipulated food, which is also highly controversial. Even if the media and politicians currently trivialize the problem and even stupidly call for a new type of vaccine to return to normality, this vaccination is problematic in terms of health, morality and ethics, and also in terms of genetic damage that, unlike the damage caused by previous vaccines, will be irreversible and irreparable.

    Dear patients, after an unprecedented mRNA vaccine, you will no longer be able to treat the vaccine symptoms in a complementary way. They will have to live with the consequences, because they can no longer be cured simply by removing toxins from the human body, just as a person with a genetic defect like Down syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, genetic cardiac arrest, hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, Rett syndrome, etc.), because the genetic defect is forever!

    This means clearly: if a vaccination symptom develops after an mRNA vaccination, neither I nor any other therapist can help you, because the damage caused by the vaccination will be genetically irreversible. In my opinion, these new vaccines represent a crime against humanity that has never been committed in such a big way in history. As Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an experienced doctor, said: In fact, this “promising vaccine” for the vast majority of people should be FORBIDDEN, because it is genetic manipulation! ”

    The vaccine, developed and endorsed by Anthony Fauci and funded by Bill Gates, uses experimental mRNA technology. Three of the 15 human guinea pigs (20%) experienced a “serious adverse event”.

    Note: messenger RNA or mRNA is the ribonucleic acid that transfers the genetic code of the DNA of the cell nucleus to a ribosome in the cytoplasm, that is, the one that determines the order in which the amino acids of a protein bind and act as a mold or pattern for the synthesis of that protein.
  10. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

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    garabandal Powers

  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Brother Bugnolo was a Franciscan brother and he was let go by the order, I seem to recall. He seems schismatic to me. He is an independent "brother" if you can call him that. I believe he is way out and not really attached to the Church. That said, I have disliked his stance for a long time so there you have it from me. I would run the other way as fast as I could.
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