*TIME SENSITIVE* - Info Needed on Denial of Communion on Tongue

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  1. Franciscan

    Franciscan Angels

    Father Zuelsdorf is requesting people post/re-post this to help a canonist who is collecting information about the denial of Holy Communion on the Tongue.

  2. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Thank you Franciscan,
    I have replied to Father Z request for information,
    as our bishop of my diocese in Australia, has denied reception of Holy communion on the tongue to all faithful, since our churches reopened; reason given is.... 'because of covid 19'
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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    If we had trustworthy people in charge in Rome collecting evidence would be fine .

    But we don't, so what's the use? I doubt very much if many of them actually believe it really is the actual body of Christ.

    Perhaps I am being very cynical but the evidence appears that way.
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  4. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Thank you.
    I have replied.

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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Gratefully, our Bishop Lucia, Diocese of Syracuse, allows Holy Communion on the tongue, but requests we come up only after those who receive on the hand, do so first.

    God bless Bishop Lucia!
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    That’s fair.
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  7. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member

    At the Traditional Latin Masses I attend, and any other location of the TLM of which I am aware, communion is solely distributed on the tongue while kneeling.
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  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Because that is the rubric
  9. AED

    AED Powers

    That is what we are doing at our Eucharistic chapel.
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  10. BrianK

    BrianK Proud2bRC Staff Member

    That is also the rubric for the NO. Communion in the hand and communion standing are indults that can be rescinded at any time. And the sooner, the better. By canon law they CANNOT be required, only permitted.

    Requiring communion in the hand is a gross violation of canon law that, in normal times, would be accompanied by severe sanctions.

    Lex malla, lex nulla.
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  11. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    07/07/07 – 13th Anniversary of Summorum Pontificum – Fr. Z rants.
    Posted on 7 July 2020 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf


    Today is the 13th Anniversary of the release of the of Benedict XVI’s Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum. The text was released on 7 July 2007 – 7/7/7

    Just for fun, this blog’s page on that day: HERE

    It is good to take stock of the fruits of the Motu Proprio.

    Firstly, one could argue that Summorum Pontificum was the most important thing that Benedict XVI gave to the Church. It will have the longest and most profound consequences.

    Why? Because of the knock on effect created when priests learn to say the Traditional Mass. It changes the priest and how he sees himself and understands his role at the altar and in the Church. That produces a ripple through those whom he serves.

    Why? Because lay people begin to experience our sacred liturgical worship on a new, deeper level. There’s more “sustenance”. This has its own knock on effect in their sphere of life.

    Why? Because “WE ARE OUR RITES!”

    We are facing huge changes in the Church. We had to face them anyway, but COVID-19 has accelerated the process. A demographic sink hole is going to open up under the Church in these USA and swathes of “Catholics” will disappear. Those left will be of a traditional leaning together with converts from Evangelical backgrounds and well-rooted charismatics who are enthusiastic about their Faith. There will be some frictions, but these groups will find each other out of need. The result, I predict, will be amazing.

    The Traditional Latin Mass is the key to the future. It must become widespread and frequent and beautifully executed. Only after a significant period of stability with the traditional forms will the real “mutual enrichment”, as Benedict XVI called it, or “gravitational pull” as I have called it, will manifest its effects. Until then, avoiding any impatient tinkering, we must have an increase in celebrations of our traditional worship, which means more than just Holy Mass. We need all the devotions and other rites as well.


    They shape us from the outside in and the inside out. They inform us and give us our identity. In order to have an impact on the world, which is our Christian duty, we have to know who we are. Hence, we need solid CULT, CODE and CREED. Worship, Catechism, and Law. Every good initiative we have as a Church must begin in and return to sacred liturgical worship. This is clear because of the necessity of the virtue of Religion, which must order our lives, orient us.

    That’s enough for this rant.

    Here is something I have written in the past:


    I call the Motu Proprio “The Emancipation Proclamation”.

    Summorum Pontificum was a hugely important gift to the entire Church. It was perhaps the most important thing that Benedict XVI did in his pontificate.

    I’ve called this important Motu Proprio a key element of Benedict’s “Marshall Plan“. Summorum Pontificum was a key element of Benedict’s vision of revitalizing the Church by jump starting, as it were, the organic development of liturgical worship, so critical to our Catholic identity. Benedict hoped to rebuild the Church in the wake of post-Conciliar devastation and against the onslaught of the dictatorship of relativism.

    No initiative we undertake in the Church can succeed without it being rooted in our sacred liturgical worship. However, our collective sacred liturgical worship is presently in a state of cataclysmic disorder. I believe with all my heart and mind that we, collectively, cannot in this present state fulfill properly our obligation to God according to the virtue of religion, that virtue which directs us to give to God what is His due. Hence, according to the hierarchy of goods which we all must embrace, we are, collectively, disordered. Nothing we can do as a Church will succeed in this state of affairs. We have to see to our worship of God.

    The use of the TLM will help us to correct our downward trajectory. The knock-on effect that learning the TLM has on priests is remarkable. That knock-on effect ripples beyond the sanctuary to congregations.

    So much more has to be done. An alarmed Enemy is fighting back and fighting hard.

    The revitalization for the Church through a restoration of our Catholic identity will require nearly heroic courage from priests.

    Priests will need to work hard to acquire tools that they were systematically cheated out of in their formation. They will be intimidated. They will fear that they can’t do it. They can do it, but it will take hard work and support from others. Graces will be given in this undertaking, because the connection of the priest and the altar is fundamental to the Church’s life. No other thing that the priest does is more important. Priests must also be willing to suffer attacks from libs, many of whom are not malicious but who are blinkered and nearly brainwashed.

    Next, it is going to require nearly heroic courage and spirit of sacrifice from lay people who must support their priests and encourage them in projects that they will be reluctant to undertake. Lay people must also be ready to engage in their parishes on a new level.

    Remember, friends, that we are our rites. As the Church prays, so do we believe and live.

    Everything that we are and do as a Church flows from and returns to sacred liturgical worship. We are our rites.

    Summorum Pontificum is a great gift. Pray for Benedict XVI and thank God for this gift.

    Finally, a nostalgic image from back in the days of the “Sabine Farm”.


    And with a little help from a one-time reader… “Vincenzo”.


    Please share this post!

    (emphases in red are mine - SgC)
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  12. Franciscan

    Franciscan Angels

    Despite the rubric, the bishop of Fargo has not even allowed in the Extraordinary form.
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    So awful! :cry:

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