This might be the real prophet

Discussion in 'The Saints' started by fallen saint, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. AidanK

    AidanK A great sinner

    "Pompous garb",unchanging,worn by faithful priests for many centuriesalong with the beautiful statuary and other artwork within churches is to give glory to and remind us of the magnificence and greatness of heaven. Re ceremony, ceremonies that remained unchanged for centuries during famine, pestilence , war, revolution, and plague why did they require decimation in the latter half of twentieth century?
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  2. AidanK

    AidanK A great sinner

    The spirituality of holy tradition draws from the deposit of faith ,of saints and Mystics over the centuries, informs us as to how we might live today as faithful Christians. After all nothing in the world today is new. Political and social systems within which we find ourselves today have all been experienced by the saints of bygone ages
  3. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Lol...i knew i would get a rise from some of you. Yes, I like garb every now and then. Just pushing your buttons :)
  4. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I would never call myself a, 'Traditionalist', because it is a label, a Camp , a Label. ..and has St Paul warns us:

    1 Corinthians 3:4

    God's Fellow Workers
    …3for you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man? 4For when one of you says, “I follow Paul, and another, “I follow Apollos, are you not mere men? 5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, as the Lord has assigned to each his role.…

    Whereas on the other hand the word, 'Catholic', means Universal. The Universal to be a follower of Christ. Also if you buy into a particular label you buy into a particular narrative and I am not quite sure of being tied down in this.

    If it wasn't for the virus I would have been perfectly happy to keep on attending the Novus Ordo as well as the Traditional as my hospital shifts vary and attending both mass times would be a big help. But the , 'security' at the Novus Ordo Churches is horrendous and makes me cringe, chasing me away. At mass today in the Traditional Church I spotted just one mask. In my local Novus Ordo Parish you have to wear a mask right through mass and sit in a particular place and are herded about from A to B and to C. Horrendous.
    As to Archbishop Vigano being a Prophet...well....I don't quite know how people can this. What do we really know about him? I mean really. He comes from a very,very wealthy family in Milan. That's about it.

    Saying someone is a Prophet is a very,very big deal. I am not sure how folks know enough about the man to say such a thing.

    One thing I found about the Traditional Mass a few weeks ago. Our Local Priest went back home to Canada on holiday and I was very surprised how much I missed him about the place. He is a very holy and saintly man indeed. So it made me realise that a great deal of my enthusiasm about this Church was not just the Traditional Rite (which I adore) but the holiness of a particular Pastor.
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  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I would be a little careful too of the constant, constant negative comment about our Pastors on the internet. I am not saying a lot of it is not true, but this constant bang, bang, banging on about the negative is maybe not too good. St Paul in Scripture advises us to concentrate on the positive.

    I have a neighbour from up the street who is a great student of dog poo. The last time he went round the Park he counted 8 instances of dog dropping left unattended. He knows of a Polish guy from round the corner who lets his dog go to the toilet in the early hours in our street every morning and on and on and on. Even his face looks negative as it floats past my window.:)

    He has a sour puss.

    Its not good being negative all the time. When we are negative all the time we turn into a negative.

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  6. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

  7. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Isn’t that the truth!
  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    In the article at the link, the wording used is “almost prophetically.”
    A careful reading at the link is advised before we jump to conclusions.
  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Some history. McCarrick was the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Washington, ADW, from 2001 to 2006. His successor was Donald Wuerl, 2006 to 2018.
    Archbishop Vigano was appointed by PEB as Papal Nuncio to the US from 2011 to 2016. He was stationed in Washington, DC, during that time. We can look back and see that Cdl. Wuerl probably knew about the sodomite goings-on and turned a blind eye to it. He resigned in 2018 because of it. He has been accused of mishandling sex abuse cases.
    Okay, that's the history.
    So we now can see that Abp Vigano was no doubt able to discern all of these goings-on firsthand.
  11. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I see Cardinal Becchui sent $800,000 of our Church money to Australia to make sure Cardinal Pell went to jail

    I see also Cardinal Becchui's lawyer has had to delete instagram photos of himself in suggestive homosexualist poses.

    'Iai, apparently a recreational body-builder, posted a series of photographs of himself in revealing swimwear on different social media sites, including Instagram and Twitter. In the photos, Iai appears in seaside settings, and strikes a number of attitudes and poses, including arching backwards across a rock and sporting playfully in the surf.'

    You couldn't make this stuff up. It's like Dick Dastardly.

    I was actually surprised to read recently that there are several holy, hard working Cardinals in the Vatican. Amazing.

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  12. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Cardinal Becchui's, ' lawyer' and Amateur Body Builder, Senor Ivano Iai.

    Shades of Cardinal Tobin and his male model in the Presbytery. What percentage of top Cardinals are perverts I wonder?

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  13. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    What a disgusting portrayal of a human being. Puke :sick:
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  14. AED

    AED Powers

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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Poor Blessed Mother. These are her priest-sons.
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  16. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

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  17. padraig

    padraig New Member

    It doesn't so much worry me that such things are going on. It worries me more that such things are going on and I suspect the entire Vatican from the gardeners , to the Swiss Guard to the Holy Father himself knows they are going on and yet this evil is permitted to go on. For of course those who permit evil to exist are just as guilty as those who perpetuate it.

    Ephesians 5:11-12

    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.

    Psalm 94:16

    Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand for me against those who practice iniquity?

    Titus 1:10-13

    For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons. This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.

  18. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    If you protect evil, you are evil!

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  19. Christy1983

    Christy1983 Archangels

    I found this article on a website that I'm not very familiar with. It is about Archbishop Vigano's relationship to the Church. I am no expert on this, but am posting it for the purpose of discussion ONLY...

    It is worrisome to me, because I agreed with the Archbishop on many of the issues he has written about. [Edited to add] I don't consider myself either a progressive or a traditional Catholic, but rather a vanilla JPII Catholic.

    Is Archbishop Viganò in Schism?
    by Robert Fastiggi · Published June 13, 2020 · Updated June 13, 2020

    Is Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò in schism? This is a serious question, and it’s not one to be taken lightly. The 1983 Code of Canon Law [CIC] defines schism as “the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him” (canon 751), and the Catechism of the Catholic Church cites this same definition (CCC 2089). I raise the question of Archbishop Viganò in light of some extreme accusations he has made against Pope Francis since last November. The language used by Viganò against Pope Francis—and more recently against Vatican II and the post-conciliar Catholic Church—suggests that the former papal nuncio to the USA is refusing submission to the Roman Pontiff. Some examples bear this out.

    On November 19, 2019, Viganò published a letter reacting to the announcement of the construction of the Abrahamic Family House in which a church, a synagogue, and a mosque would share the same foundation in a plaza in Abu Dhabi. The Abraham Family House, designed by the architect, Sr. David Adjaye, is intended to embody the commitment to peace expressed in the Human Fraternity Document signed on February 4, 2019 by Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, Ahmed el-Tayeb.

    In Viganò’s November 19 letter—originally published in Italian on the website of Aldo Valli—the former nuncio says “the building of the House of the Abrahamic Family appears as a Babel-like enterprise, concocted by the enemies of God.” The Archbishop goes on to offer this assessment of the building project:

    In the garden of Abu Dhabi the temple of the world syncretistic Neo-Religion is about to rise with its anti-Christian dogmas. Not even the most hopeful of the Freemasons would have imagined so much! Pope Bergoglio thus proceeds to further implement the apostasy of Abu Dhabi, the fruit of pantheistic and agnostic neo-modernism that tyrannizes the Roman Church, germinated by the conciliar document Nostra Aetate. We are compelled to recognize it: the poisoned fruits of the “Conciliar springtime” are before the eyes of anyone who does not allow himself to be blinded by the dominant Lie.

    Terms like “anti-Christian,” “apostasy,” and “syncretic Neo-Religion” suggest that Archbishop Viganò believes Pope Francis is an apostate, i.e. someone who has totally repudiated the Christian faith. If the Archbishop really believes this, then it’s difficult to understand how he could be in submission to Pope Francis as the Roman Pontiff.

    In his treatise, De Summo Pontifice, St. Robert Bellarmine (1542–1621) discusses the hypothetical case of a pope being a manifest heretic:

    The fifth true opinion, therefore, is that a Pope who is a manifest heretic per se ceases to be Pope and Head, since per se he ceases to be a Christian and member of the body of the Church (De Summo Pontifice Book II, Chapter XXX).

    In this passage, Bellarmine seems to equate heresy with apostasy since the heresy he has in mind is the type which makes one cease to be a Christian. If a pope were to cease being Christian, he would cease being pope. For Bellarmine, though, this is a purely hypothetical scenario because he does not believe it can ever happen. In Book IV, chapter III of De Summo Pontifice, he states that the Lord provides a special privilege to St. Peter and his successors so that “in his chair there would never be found someone who would teach contrary to the true faith.” Vatican I would later confirm this conviction of Bellarmine by giving assurance that “in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been preserved immaculate and sacred doctrine honored” (Denz.-H, 3066) and the “See of St. Peter always remains untainted by any error” (Denz.-H, 3070).

    If Viganò believes that Pope Francis is seeking to implement “apostasy” and promote a “syncretic Neo-Religion” as well as “pantheistic and agnostic neo-modernism,” then it follows that he does not consider Pope Francis to be a Christian. Following Bellarmine’s hypothetical scenario, this would mean Viganò no longer considers Francis to be the pope or at least a pope to whom he can offer submission. But the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff is the canonical definition of schism. This would imply that Viganò is in schism because it’s difficult to understand how the Archbishop could be in submission to a Pontiff who is promoting apostasy and a “syncretic Neo-Religion...”

    The rest of the article is at the website.
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I appreciate that you posted this article. I have my own serious questions and doubts about Abp Vigano. I am praying for him. And us.
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