The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Francis is washing his hands like Pilate in the condemnation of Christ.
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  2. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    There's been a de facto downward ongoing schism for c.50 years now..

    As for the Pope.. -- Sept. 10, 2019 ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE —

    Faced with sustained opposition from Catholic conservatives in the United States
    Pope Francis said on Tuesday that he hopes it doesn’t come to that, but isn’t frightened of it either.
    “I pray there are no schisms,” Francis said in a lengthy news conference aboard the papal plane as he returned from a six-day trip to Africa. “But I’m not scared.”
    This pope has alienated some conservatives — especially in the United States — who say he is promoting an anti-American, anticapitalist agenda and drifting from the core teachings of the Church.
    John Paul II, now made a saint, was a favorite of church conservatives.


    This pope? Is on board with the Great Reset Globalists? Isn't he?

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  3. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    Alliance of Rothschild and Vatican of Francis --

    The most globalist and interventionist Pope since the Crusades of the 12th century
    has formalised an alliance with the largest figures in global finance led by none other than that noble banking family, Rothschild.

    The new alliance is a joint venture they call
    ‘Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican.’

    The venture connects with Davos WEF guru and Henry Kissinger protégé, Klaus Schwab,
    who began to promote the great reset of the world capitalist order.
    What and is behind this so-called Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican?

    Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican


    Coalition Council for Inclusive Capitalism › vatic...


    The Council for Inclusive Capitalism is a global movement
    of leaders doing business in ways that benefit people, our communities, and the planet.


    Main WebPage - Council for Inclusive Capitalism
  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It looks like Pope Francis is getting all set to dump the Church's Teaching on Artificial Contraception for the same reasons he dumped the previous Teaching on the Death Penalty, that things are , 'Changing' and 'Developing'.

    Ephesians 4:14
    14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

    'Let us dwell on only two points. The first is the journey towards “the maturity of Christ.” … More precisely, in accordance with the Greek text, we should speak of the “measure of the fullness of Christ” that we are called to attain if we are to be true adults in the faith. We must not remain children in faith, in the condition of minors. And what does it mean to be children in faith? St. Paul answers: it means being “tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine” (Eph 4: 14). This description is very timely!How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves—flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St. Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true.Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be “tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine” seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s own ego and desires.We, however, have a different goal: the Son of God, the true man. He is the measure of true humanism. An “adult” faith is not a faith that follows the trends of fashion and the latest novelty; a mature adult faith is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ. It is this friendship that opens us up to all that is good and gives us a criterion by which to distinguish the true from the false, and deceit from truth.We must develop this adult faith; we must guide the flock of Christ to this faith. And it is this faith — only faith — that creates unity and is fulfilled in love …Make truth in love. Truth and love coincide in Christ. To the extent that we draw close to Christ, in our own lives too, truth and love are blended …Our redemption is brought about in this communion of wills: being friends of Jesus, to become friends of God. The more we love Jesus, the more we know him, the more our true freedom develops and our joy in being redeemed flourishes. Thank you, Jesus, for your friendship! …We must be enlivened by a holy restlessness: a restlessness to bring to everyone the gift of faith, of friendship with Christ. Truly, the love and friendship of God was given to us so that it might also be shared with others …So let us go and pray to the Lord to help us bear fruit that endures. Only in this way will the earth be changed from a valley of tears to a garden of God.'

    Pope Benedict.

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  5. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels


    And Perhaps with nudgings from his apparently very close buddy Jim Martin JESUIT (whom sometimes I wonder if he's Francis' "handler"),
    St. Pope John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI - were driven into the background a few years ago..

    As for Francis' Leadership?
    After a fashion of seeing the Vatican decline over the course of time, Nowadays, I usually don't pay too much time to anything that he, and Martin JESUIT, and any of the other usual suspects have to say..

    We must never forget to Pray and even Bless those whom we consider our enemies!
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    My best guess would be that after Artificial Contraception Teaching gets dumped then the Churches Teaching on Homosexuality gets dumped. The Holy Grail being to dump the Churches Teachings on the Sanctity of Marriage/ The Family.

    Sr Lucia said this to Cardinal Ferrara of Bologna. That Satan's Endgame is to attack the family. All this simply leads up to this; doing away with the family. When you murder the family you've won the whole deal.
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  7. Lois

    Lois Principalities

    "TheHoly Grail being to dump theChurches Teachings on the Sanctity of Marriage/ The Family."

    And where do good and holy priestly/religious vocations come from?(for the most part) It's been a slow degradation of two "marital" vocations, if you will. One leads to the other.
  8. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    The rapidly spiraling downward numbers of priestly and religious vocations began about 50 years ago,
    when many seminaries and novitiates began choosing potential candidates
    who accepted the notion of challenging the pope and doctrine along with being very liberal with respect to homosexuality

    50 years ago! Is it any wonder that most bishops are way left of center.. ?

    Satan's minions aka unholy priests/bishops and nuns - seeded the cancer which has now spread all throughout the Vatican..

  9. Lois

    Lois Principalities

    If I had to guess, I would say 50 yrs ago is being conservative. For example, if you look at the family situation of some of these men, like the now laicized former Cardinal of Washington, you notice his father died at the age of three. His mother worked a factory job. An unnamed "family friend" swooped in to help. One wonders if this is a case of "the abused" becoming "the abuser".
    (see the wikipedia entry)
    I've looked a little bit around family histories of some, and in some cases, this is a question ~ did "the abused" become "the abuser"? Imho, the real evil behind this greatest of travesties is still hidden...
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  10. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    50 - 60 years ago represent a Flowering of seeds already planted by human minions of the Enemy of God.
    One can review the Encyclicals of latter 19th Century and early 20th century popes so as to see the varying dangers which they warned us about and which have subsequently activated; coming into their own.
    One can go back centuries and see the hands of enemies of Jesus/God operating against God's Church/
    One can go back to those who sentenced our Lord to death - almost 2,000 years ago.
    One can go all the way back to Satan in the garden,
    whom made Eve and Adam disobey God's command
    to not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
    thus blocking Man from the Tree of Life and forcing Satan to crawl bellywise and more..
    MeanWhile via Hope borne of strong Faith in the Son of God, I look forward to the Return of our Lord Jesus - who'll annihilate, destroy utterly, obliterate -> AntiChrist, Evil, Death -> during the end of this Age..
    God gives the Tree of Eternal Life to all whom follow his Son, Jesus! :)
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's hard to believe all this is really happening.

    It's like a long nightmare.

    The silence of our Bishops and Cardinals is bone chilling.
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  12. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    "I only know one of the worst enemies against unity in the church is -- ideology'
    Pope Francis in Canada

    So says the most ideological Pope in History.

    He is actually cocooned within peronist ideology and this is reflected in many of his statements and explains his double-speak.

    The lack of self-awareness, his inability to see that he himself is an ideologue is staggering.

    We believers do not follow an ideology we follow a person - the Logos, the Word Incarnate, Jesus Christ, Who IS the Way, the Truth and the Light, the second-person of the Blessed Trinity.

    I think this is lost on the present incumbent on the chair of Peter - the Pachamama Pope.

    I serve Jesus Christ, resurrected, real and living not some barren idol.
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  13. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    Yes.. It is v.depressing to many/all when one comes to see our current situation within the visible Church..
    It begs of us to Prayerfully Ask God for this (and others) Gift of His Holy Spirit - FORTITUDE.. To Strengthen Us.. .
    We are called to help others who are going through this same 'Darkness'
    While also recalling How the Light JESUS always shines through the darkness.

    Based upon Scriptures and more, the CCC speaks of our current (and future) reality..

    675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

    574 Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12.
    575 Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20.
  14. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Pro-LGBT cardinal: Pope Francis agrees with my stance

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  15. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

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  16. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Chinese bishop pushing clergy into 'Patriotic Association'
    Bishop Francis An Shuxin has threatened to withhold the Eucharist from clergy who fail to register with state-sanctioned CCPA

    Bishop Francis An Shuxin of Baoding Diocese, China. (File photo)

    By UCA News reporter

    Published: August 05, 2022 10:34 AM GMT

    An international Christian group has condemned a Catholic bishop in China for threatening to withhold the Sacrament of Eucharist for clergy if they do not register with the state-sanctioned Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (CCPA).

    Bishop Francis An Shuxin of the Diocese of Baoding in Hebei province in northern China issued a pastoral letter July 15 stating that all Catholic clergy are required to register with the CCPA immediately or face punitive measures.

    The prelate said he would not share the Eucharist with the priests who are not registered and warned local Catholics that if they refuse to accept priests who are registered with the CCPA they would face the same fate.

    In a statement on Aug. 3, US-based International Christian Concern (ICC), said Bishop An’s letter was “a manipulation” of two major agreements signed by the Vatican.

    Firstly, the Sino-Vatican Agreement of 2018 over the appointment of bishops in China, the ICC says.

    The secretive deal was signed initially for two years and was renewed in 2020. It allows the CCP to have a say in the appointment of Catholic bishops in China, while the Vatican seeks to unify millions of Chinese Catholics split between state-run and Vatican-aligned churches.

    Secondly, the Vatican issued a statement in 2019 that encouraged Catholics to register with the state, but warned against any attempt at forcible registration. It urged the Chinese government to respect the “conscientious objectors” to the Vatican-China deal who refuse to join the state-run church.

    "At the same time, the Holy See understands and respects the choice of those who, in conscience, decide that they are unable to register under the current conditions," the Vatican said.

    The ICC says Bishop An has manipulated the 2019 Vatican statement.

    “In his letter, Bishop An manipulated the 2019 statement to make it seem as though the Vatican was commanding all clergy to register with the government in order to force the priests in his diocese to register,” the ICC said.

    It reported that some clergy have resented the bishop’s letter exploiting the Vatican statement at the behest of the government.

    Francis An Shuxin was consecrated by Bishop Peter Liu Guandong on May 2, 1993, as the Auxiliary Bishop of the Baoding diocese.

    He was arrested in 1996 and was released after spending 10 years in prison as a member of the “underground” Church. He was appointed Coadjutor Bishop in 2007, when Bishop James Su Zhimin, the ordinary of the Diocese, was still in jail.

    Bishop An Shuxin joined the government-sanctioned Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, which split the diocese further between the underground and open communities. With the consent of the government, Bishop An was installed as the head of the Diocese of Baoding in 2010, leading the “Open” community.

    He was installed as the Bishop of the Diocese of Baoding on August 7, 2010.

    Communist China recognizes five religions – Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism. However, it has extended state mechanisms to strictly monitor and control religious groups and their activities.

    Shortly after the Communist takeover in 1949, China severed diplomatic ties with the Vatican and established the CCPA to exert control over Catholics in the country.

    China has an estimated 12 million Catholics, divided between patriotic and independent churches. For years, China and the Vatican have been embroiled in pulling ropes over the appointment of bishops that apparently came to an end with the 2018 deal.

    Since the signing of the deal, the Vatican appointed six new bishops and recognized seven ‘illicit’ bishops appointed earlier by China without papal mandates.

    Rights groups have documented a renewed crackdown on Catholics in China since the CCP adopted the repressive new regulations of religious affairs in 2018, the same year the Sino-Vatican deal was inked.
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  17. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    IS China involved with The Council for Inclusive Capitalism (which also involves the Vatican)?
  18. AED

    AED Powers

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  19. Frankly

    Frankly Archangels

    Dangerous alliance of Rothschild and Vatican of Francis
    How Globalism can the Vatican Get?

    We're talking of the behind the scenes Major Movers and Shakers of Earth!

    THE Rothschild venture with the Vatican at this point, in addition to co-founder Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, includes hand-picked money moguls and their select foundations who pompously call themselves the ‘guardians.’ That’s a term sounding more like a south side Chicago gang or some kind of mafia overlords. They call themselves the moral guardians, together now with their new friends at the Vatican, for reform of capitalism.

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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Strange bedfellows, indeed.

    The small businessmen on the peripheries, who are too small to be global leaders, are completely ignored, I presume.
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