Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by padraig, Mar 31, 2022.
To be revealed at the height of the Russian War?
Could someone tell me what the video is basically about? since I can't understand the audio in english
Wow is right. I m going to watch this again and again and again and pray and pray and pray about it.
It appears to give a timeline for the immediate future and was made in 2012. Remarkable.
Padraig could it be the Warning? Is the 4th part of the secret not revealed about the Warning?
Byron, I know that you ask Padraig and I hope that he doesn't mind that I am answering your question but the 4th secret refers to the text that goes with the vision of the 3rd secret. If you watch this video below that I posted the other day the priest (I believe, Father Wolfe) explains this. He explains that when Our Lady of Fatima showed the vision of a pope being assassinated etc she told the seers Lucia and Jacinta that they could only tell the words to Francisco at that time since Francisco never heard Our Lady speak he only saw the visions. So, iow, if there was no text included what words could Our Lady have been referring to.
I do understand your question about the Warning though because it is difficult to believe that people will be brought to their knees when this text is revealed but when the Warning occurs this is absolutely what we expect to occur.
I just had an after thought, that maybe after the Warning occurs the pope is prompted to read the 4th secret (the text to the 3rd secret) to sort of explain what will happen if the world does not convert and to explain what the purpose of the Warning is to people who never heard of it.
The other thing that I found very interesting and I don't believe I have ever heard this before is that the priest states that Sister Lucia originally stated that Saint JP II's 1984 consecration of Russia was not accepted by Heaven but because of the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 she felt pressured and changed her statement to the consecration was accepted by Heaven. The video is long but it is very good since it is packed with lots of information.
After watching John Henry Westen's video above I noted that the stigmatist that they were talking about seems to have never stated that we would have a new pope before the death of Pope Benedict. It would have been extremely interesting if he had mentioned something to that effect, this is what many people now believe could be what the seers were referring to when then saw a mirror image of another pope.
Well, I will be praying about that video also and especially for Pope Benedict.+
I will have to listen again at least once. There is so much information.
I will love to see what present day Fatima experts make of it...
Its amazing to think this video was made so many years ago...
Here is a much better audio of the video of the original conference:
I think the Fathers got a little confused here. They speak of the Secret as though it, itself, is the Warning. I believe what they meant was that the Secret refers to the Warning, describes it. But I think they meant that the Warning and Consecration of Russia will not take place until the Secret is revealed. Interestingly they appear to suggest that a Pope who is an Anti Pope (not really a Pope but a false Pope, someone who pretends to be Pope) could not do the Consecration. It would be invalid. But that the next true Pope after Pope Benedict will carry out the Consecration. They also say the Consecration will not work unless the full Secret is revealed.
That a Great War with Russia and a Calamity (Nuclear explosion(s)?) will force the then Pope's hand.
They also suggest that Pope Benedict is the Pope described at Fatima as the one who goes into hiding and is killed. They suggest this will follow a Russian invasion of Europe.
How You Will Know When the Consecration Is Done Properly
Father David Nix
Imagine you had a 12 year old son who punched your 10 year old daughter in the face. Let’s say that son was very stubborn and you knew getting an apology out of him was going to be difficult. You bring your son and crying daughter into the same room and make him apologize. You know this will be difficult so you give him the exact words: “Say to your sister, ‘I am sorry for punching you in the face.'” You know you need to give him those nineexact words because of past subterfuge this stubborn son will play with word games.
Your son initially says to his sister who he punched, “I’m sorry… not!” You stare him down because you know this is defiance when you have given him such easy words. He softens a little bit and then he says, “Ok, I’m sorry…that you feel that way about our argument.” Of course, you still do not let him off the hook since apologizing for another’s feelings does not constitute an actual apology. The whole situation becomes a Mexican-standoff on who has the stronger will. You have given your stubborn son only nine simple words to say: I am sorry for punching you in the face. However, he keeps adding words to it and so you have to wait there for hours on your disobedient son.
That is what Mary has been doing with the Popes of the Catholic Church in asking them to publicly consecrate Russia alone to her Immaculate Heart. But the games and the stubbornness on changing her words continue not for hours but for over 100 years. I mean, we are now seeing that extremely, extremely simply instructions can not be followed. And that is our indication at a deeper level of doctrine and liturgy that everythingis in a state of disobedience in the Catholic Church at this point.
Besides the fact I think what happened last week is a totally different ball of wax from the past 100 years (for reasons I can’t get into here) I do want to write briefly on all the Popes of the past 100 years who had admittedly failed at the Fatima consecration by the very fact it keeps getting “re-done”: Mary gave the Popes of the past 100 years just nine words to say to fulfill her exact request at Fatima: I consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. (And maybe add on another simple sentence regarding reparation and first Saturdays.) When you hear those nine words, that is how you will know that the consecration is done properly. Only then will we have peace. Of course, war with Russia will not constitute world peace. The real consecration will certainly not come from someone who said Mary “wanted” to call the Angel Gabriel a “liar.” (God forgive me for even hyperlinking such horrible blasphemy against Our Lady.)
But the very fact we are even debating this 100 years into it all is the only proof you need that heaven’s disobedient son is still “in the corner.” Yes, you will know the consecration is done when there is no more games, no more subterfuge, no more failed-attempts at an expanded Petrine ministry, no more legalistic loopholes on someone following these extremely, extremely simple rules. Yes, I believe we will have relative world peace when a valid Pope of the Catholic Church orders all bishops of the world to be with him and says the requested words of consecration. These will not be 1104 words that read like washed-up old-hippy environmental-poetry. It will be nine simple words (and—again perhaps—a single sentence or two on reparation and/or first Saturdays) demanded by God Himself through the Holy Theotokos of His own Vicar on earth:
I consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
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"when some major catastrophic event will strike Iran, that the third world war is very near."
Amazing. I am inclined to think that what they said is true. It ties in so well with what we are seeing at the moment in the World and what we know of other Catholic Prophesies.
So much to take in.
I agree. Also, I believe in Fr Rodrigue’s statement, that Pope Francis will try to amend what he’s done, but it will be too late. His recent Consecration won’t change the outcome. Just like the seers in Garabandal prophesied, the Warning will come when the world will need it most.
I want to add the following to the above post. I have watched a lot of videos about Fatima over the past few days so forgive me if I point you to the wrong one but I believe that when I watched the interview of Bishop Schneider by Timothy Gordon (or it could have been Taylor Marshall's) the good bishop explains that if we question whether or not the Vatican has released the whole thing (the entire 3rd secret, 4th secret whatever you want to call it) then we would be calling Pope Benedict a liar but when I watched the above Sensus Fidelium video, Father Wolfe actually addresses this near the beginning of the video by stating that Pope Benedict said that we could conjecture about the meaning of the vision (the 3rd secret). This priest also states that he believes that the Vatican can say that did release the whole thing because they released the whole vision and the seers description of the vision. Iow, this how they can justify saying that they released the whole thing.
Ok, so here is the part that I really want to mention which Father Wolfe speaks about in the above video and by using other apparitions he explains how this apostasy reaches the highest level(s) in the Church. Bishop Schneider also briefly discussed this in that interview saying that we don't need the 4th secret because we are now witnessing this apostasy. I don't remember him specifically talking about the level in the Church it has reached though.
So to continue answering Byron's question, many believe that the 4th secret discusses the apostasy in the Church to what level we don't know but we know that since it was supposed to have been released in 1960 and was not, Our Lady allegedly appeared in San Sebastian de Garabandal beginning in 1961 to give us two main messages. The second message includes this phrase, "Many Cardinals, Bishops and priests are following the road to perdition, and with them they are taking many more souls."
From this link http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/fatima34a.htm we have (this is also discussed by Father Wolfe in that video above),
Apostasy Will Invade the Church
We can do no better than to quote Father Alonso’s judicious commentary here: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved": The phrase most clearly implies a critical state of Faith, which other nations will suffer, that is to say, a crisis of Faith; whereas Portugal will preserve its Faith.7
Father Alonso writes again: In the period preceding the great triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, terrible things are to happen. These form the content of the third part of the Secret. What are they?
If “in Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved,” . . . it can be clearly deduced from this that in other parts of the Church these dogmas are going to become obscure or even lost altogether.8
Thus it is quite possible that in this intermediate period which is in question (after 1960 and before the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary), the text makes concrete references to the crisis of the Faith of the Church and to the negligence of the pastors themselves.9
One conclusion does indeed seem to be beyond question: the content of the unpublished part of the Secret does not refer to new wars or political upheavals, but to happenings of a religious and intra-Church character, which of their nature are still more grave.10
In 1968, Father Roger Rebut was more explicit: This statement of the Blessed Virgin suggests, by opposition to the word always, that in other places it will not be the same. These words recall Our Lady’s words pronounced at La Salette and Pellevoisin regarding the Church.12
[Please continue reading at the link above if you would like to.]
I also recently watched and posted an interview of Chris Ferrara by Taylor Marshall which was made 2 years ago. In it they talk about this also and they specifically discuss that if this phrase about Portugal and the dogma of the Faith is the beginning of the 4th secret then it might be related to the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima specifically because they express how the Church in Portugal has embraced modernism like most of the Church. (This is from memory, not verbatim.)
So, if this theory about the 4th secret is correct it helps explain why the Church would not release this text to the public.
So, my final after thought is what could possibly make a pope release this text. After thinking about it some more, I don't think that the anticipation of a World War would do it if that was the case then Pope Francis would have released this text over the past few weeks, maybe he will do so soon but I am wondering if the Warning will occur just at the right time to prevent WWIII and also prompt Pope Francis to release the secret after he witnesses his own failings.
Padraig, Yes, it is. You are probably referring to the LifeSiteNews video but I want to mention that Father Wolfe (Sensus Fidelium) made another video which follows the one above which reviews a lot of things that Pope Francis has done since he has been in office up until some time in 2016 when the video was made. I wonder what this priest thinks of the support that the Vatican gave to shuttering churches during the Covid-19 lock downs. Taylor Marshall and Chris Ferrara spoke about this in that other video that I mentioned. Who would have ever thought that Churches would be deemed non-essential.
Jason, Do you have any ideas on what catastrophic event strikes Iran? They seem to state that this is known from prophecy, do they mean private or public prophecy? If private, which one(s)? Thank you.
I am pretty certain that many people believe that Iran is involved in the Gog-Mog war which is described in scripture but I can't recall private revelation that speaks of Iran.
There is one thing I might disagree with concerning their statements and that concerns Pope Benedict.
I am not quite sure if he is the Pope of Fatima. Maybe he is. But he is so old now. I would love to know on what they base this. I must listen and re listen to the video.
The Fathers had studied Fatima their entire lives and had very good sources. They are well worth listening too.
It's really so interesting.
I have so much to study up on and learn.
On St Patrick's Day I got a Word from the Lord in prayer. About the time having come. I did not know what He meant. I am beginning to understand.