Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Blue Horizon, Aug 4, 2015.

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  1. Basto

    Basto Guest

    1. Kasperisme is pornography theological and is not even new…

    2. The practice of kasperisme is a mortal sin.

    3. To defend kasperisme is heresy.

    4. To promote kasperisme is apostasy.

    5. To believe in kasperisme is a grave sin against the Holy Spirit and refusal of the God’s true mercy.

    6. Failure to condemn kasperism is sinning by omission.

    I am sorry for going against the status quo of the forum but there is a war out there between Our Lady and Satan and we are all, in one way or another, contributing for the victory of one of the sides. We can’t just wash our hands like Pontius Pilate while they crucify the Truth, which is Jesus Christ Himself.

    This is not a matter of opinion, this is the everlasting true Doctrine of the Holy Catholic Church established by the tradition and revelation and by the blood of the holy martyrs. How can we pray for the Synod Fathers if we are not yet sure about this? Be careful in what you're asking to God, He might give you what you want as a punishment for your pride.

    Salvador Dali, 1962, The Vision of Hell - inspired in Fatima
    The Hell as persistence of memory.
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  2. Basto

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  3. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Basto, what I am about to suggest has nothing to do with your personal view above which you are entitled to.
    Rather its about the somewhat obsessed and "trollish" way you publicly present them on MOG.

    For myself I feel it would be a sin of omission if concerned, respectful members on MOG aided and abetted your lapse by keeping silence.

    To guage common cause with my personal view ... may I suggest you take a voluntary rest from MOG for a few days please.

    All those in favour press the "Like" button :).
  4. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)


    This is what the Cardinals debate all the time...and im sure the word heresy is mentioned. I am in agreement with Basto 70 % of the time. Which is way more then when i am in agreement with you. But suggesting someone to take a break is strange at best. And trying to get others to join your cause is kinda humorous. Your arguments have a place in this forum but to negate debates that are proposed by a little hard to accept. The problem with intellectuals is that they do not allow faith as their starting point. Therefore, intellectual arguments, become almost meaningless because faith is missing. You are a good guy but sometimes you over do it. Brilliance is a gift...a greater gift is how you use it.

    Brother al
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  5. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    You go right on posting Basto. There are a whole lot of people out there who agree with you. I agree that Cardinal Kaspers proposal is theological pornography. Your condemnation is stronger than what I would have said, but then again I don't have the fire in the belly that you have.

    We are in the final throes of battle to defend Christs teachings on marriage. Cardinal Kaspers ideas for admitting people to the reception of Holy Communion who neither repent for their mortal sins of adultery nor intend to stop them is poison. The Church teachings on this could not be more clear. Even the people who are proposing it do not dispute the fact that the first marriage was valid. So in effect they are saying having sex with another person who is not your spouse is sinful, but you can receive Our Lord in Holy Communion. It is incompatible with what the Church has always taught and anyone who believes in that line of thinking is on the wrong road.
  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    This is the height of hypocrisy Blue. Only 1 page back in this very thread you just chastised me for saying that you shouldn't be posting things. You said it is an open forum where everyone should be able to discuss openly. Now you are trying to tell someone they shouldn't post because you disagree with them? Come on, you're better than that.
  7. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Why not wait until the Synod is over , then cast stones if you must? easier said than done I guess!!!
  8. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Ya its just everyone already has their stone in hand...

    Brother al
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  9. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    P did you see "Basto, what I am about to suggest has nothing to do with your personal view above which you are entitled to."

    Surely its about discussing a topic, a teaching , not attacking a particular Prelate or any other member.

    Its the personally disrespectful way and over the top belittling of a Cardinal in good standing in the Catholic Church I personally see as crossing a line. If this is acceptable, regardless of one's views on a given topic, then we all lose our dignity.

    This is my view and I am simply asking other members to indicate whether they agree with me.
    If not then maybe I am being over sensitive.

    Fair enough?
  10. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    No, not fair at all.

    You are the one who needs a break from posting at MOG. There's no room for those who promote such obvious heterodoxy at this late date.

    If you won't do it willingly it should be imposed. Again.
  11. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    A polite and respectfully put view thanks FS.
    Unlike, I believe, Basto who is similarly opposed to what he (rightly or wrongly) understands of Card Kasper's views - yet manages to appallingly disrespect the good Cardinal's office and thus himself and us also.

    Similar to the fellow who called Pres Obama a Muslim (a religion he obviously detests) when speaking with Trump.
  12. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Brian, lighten up a bit... please
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  13. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Obama if hes not Muslim, he sure does cater to them and bashes the Christians like the Crusades are still going on. My belief, Obama is Godless, every US president in recent history. The media on Sunday would show the First Family going to a Church service....hav'nt seen one Sunday news clip yet on the Obamas going to a news junkie so if it happened???? I don't count
  14. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    IJP I am not an American - why do people think he is pro Muslim over Christians?
    I wasn't aware he doesn't go to Church!
  15. Infant Jesus of Prague

    Infant Jesus of Prague The More you Honor Me The More I will Bless Thee

    Hes missed the National prayer breakfast a few times. This last one in the Spring, he said Chhristians need to get off there High hoarse. That caused an uproar in the US Clergy!!!! He went on a rant about the crusades and how Christians persecuted/killed muslims. Basically he equated ISIS or ISIL as he says( and thats not by mistake) with the Crusades against islam in past centuries. BH, personally I believe Obama was Muslim at one point. He has sentimental memories of growing up in Indonesia with Muslim children, but now he has a heart of stone. Especially with the advent of the new planned parenthood videos showing them selling baby parts...No action by our so called leader....hes on the golf cart as the World burns!!!!
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  16. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    That's interesting. What denomination is he a nominal member of?
  17. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    The problem with 'liking' this particular post, BH, is that to do so would encourage the thing you are wanting to avoid - personalizing these things.

    I found Basto's post appalling. It illustrates the very strong feelings of the traditionalists and their 'certainty' of the rightness of their position. Unfortunately, they are quite mistaken in their views. Nothing said on this forum will change their views as Mark Mallett expressed well some time ago.

    I will support BH again here because he shows an intellectual honesty missing from many. These discussions/arguments do not often change the minds of the active posters but I do believe they can be very helpful for the much larger number of people who read these posts without being members of the forum.
  18. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

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  19. Blue Horizon

    Blue Horizon Guest

    Thanks for the honest feedback. Feedback is really what I was seeking for both myself and Basto, though my strategy, as you say, was probably personally threatening to Basto which wasn't really what I intended.
  20. Aviso

    Aviso Guest

    Don’t be afraid, because anyone who works for the sanctity of marriage and the family will always be fought and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. A However, Our Lady has already crushed its head.

    Sister Lucia.

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