The Revelation 12 Sign - WCWTS

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Carol55, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. St. Albert the Great, doctor of the Church, did studies on the relationship of the star placements with the earth's ordering. I read elsewhere that he thought there was usefulness in studying such personal influences, not for prediction sake or passivity or fate, but for helping individuals to overcome tendencies within personalities that could enhance or hinder their ongoing search for God.

    Albertus wrote a complete treatise on astrology and astronomy, considered at the time to be a single unified system, in his Speculum Astronomiae, "The Mirror of Astronomy". Albertus says of astrology, which explains the effects of the stars and planets on earthly affairs, that it provides a connection between natural philosophy, which treats of the material world and metaphysics, which treats of the Divine World. That the inferiors of the material world are so obedient to the unchanging cycles of the Celestial World, says Albertus, is a great proof of the primacy of God. "No human science attains this ordering of the universe as perfectly as the science of the judgement of the stars does." Speculum Astronomiae Chapter 3.

    Albertus is careful to explain the differences between licit and illict use of the knowledge of astrology, particularly in the problematic area of astrological talismans. In this extract from the Speculum AstronomiaeAlbertus discusses various astrological talismans and which are evil and demonic and which are the product of natural magic and the natural powers of the Heavens.

    Albertus also provides a voluminous discussion of the talismans of various Zodiacal and extra Zodiacal constellations from his treatise De Mineralibus, "On Minerals". Both of these extracts are a fascinating look at the state of the art thinking in medieval scholasticism, a radical departure from earlier medieval thought. Albertus' acceptance of the licit nature of some astrological talismans was quite influential on later Renaissance mages like Cornelius Agrippa and Marsilio Ficino.

    Albert made this a central component of his philosophical system, arguing that an understanding of the celestial influences affecting us could help us to live our lives more in accord with Christian precepts.[24] The most comprehensive statement of his astrological beliefs is to be found in a work he authored around 1260, now known as the Speculum astronomiae.
  2. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    I want to bring hope to all those, who waited for 23/9/2017. Everything goes exactly as planned.

    And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

    Remember the connection with "Coatlaxopeuh" (known as Guadalupe, "She Who Has Dominion over Dragon"). This period is therefore limited between 23/9/2017 and 12/12/2017. (The date 12/12/2018 can be excluded due to time of pregnancy.)
    And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon.
    According to astronomers, this stellar configuration will occur on 13/12/2017.
    And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.
    According to hebrew calendar (now is even-numbered year), the 13/12/2017 is 25. kislev, the feast of Light, when Jesus Christ was born.

    And now a little question. Why a dragon will not be able to devour the Child? Because...
    Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon.
    Everybody could translate this sentence, who can see the connection between st. Michael and the ... :)
    (Remember, why St. Michael is mentioned in 3th Fatima Secret, in Garabandal, in the book of prophet Daniel, in revelations to don Gobbi, in the book of Revelation.)
    And after this Event the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down.

    But the dragon did not give up and he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. Woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.
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  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Just WOW.
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  4. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Now We can see, that Revelation 12 was a key to End of the Times. I return to the year 18BC (see Medjugorje 5th August 1984). The plan of salvations begins. The Immaculata, Woman, Mary, was conceived. 1BC - The Child, Christ, Jesus was born. After cca 42 weeks (see Valtorta's Poem) the Woman and the Child fly to the desert in Egypt, behind the river. After the proto-Antichrist dies in the 4AD and the situation in Israel becomes secure, what is exactly 42 months (1260 days) of their stay in Egypt, they return to the Israel.

    In the Revelation 12 the same story is visible as in Gospel parallel. By the year 2000 (see don Gobbi) the Victory of the Immaculate Heart is conceived. After 17 years, the sing of the birth of the Child comes, but not only the sign, but the Kingdom of the Child will be born. If the born Kingdom in the hearts will bee strong enough, after 42 weeks (synod 2018), the Woman (Church) will fly in the spiritual desert, because Sacrifice will be removed for 42 months. After times, time and half time, the remnant Church will join to the Haevenly Israel.
  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I watched Pastor Steve C.'s latest video a few days ago. I think that it is pretty good. As a reminder, Pastor Steve is Protestant and he mentions the rapture but as Catholics we don't share this view.

    He also mentions Emmett O'Regan near the end of the video and I thought that you might be interested. I pray that Emmett's predictions (and the other's predictions) are wrong but I am posting the video mainly because I like the comparison that he is making between the Star of Bethlehem and the birth of Jesus with the Revelation 12 Sign. Basically, he is comparing the "scoffers" of both of these periods of time.

    We already know that something did happen on September 23/24 but from a secular point of view Pastor Steve is mocking the mockers...nothing happened?

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    This was the first time that I have seen someone notice the "sign" of the first initial of the names of the hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria (Mary) spelling HIM.
    Pastor Steve discusses in the video how the scoffers will simply attribute the hurricanes to climate change.​

    I call to your attention that the video is a parody which mocks the mockers of the past and the present.

    Pastor Steve is 100% believer in the miracle of Our Blessed Virgin Mary giving birth to Our Savior, Jesus Christ. I pray that at some time in the near future that he will come into the Church.
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  6. theflyingnun

    theflyingnun Archangels

    Hello Carol55,

    I really appreciate all the wonderful research that you do! I was wondering if you could give me the links where you found that someone said that the the birth of Jupiter actually appeared to have occurred on 9/9/17, instead of on 9/23/17. This is the first time where I have ever seen this view.
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  7. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    this sign of 12/13/17 could represent the apparition of the Antichrist?
  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    theflyingnun, Thank you! I appreciate all questions especially those that I can answer. (y) Plus, this is a really good question and I think it may help others.:)

    It took me a little while to find the following video, sorry about that. I think the video is great because you will see that it is made by someone just like myself, not super experienced in Stellarium but he shows what has happened.;)

    You are welcome to view the whole video but what you are looking for occurs around the 10 min. mark.

    The process of Jupiter entering around 11/20/17, then Jupiter exiting around 9/9/17 and the sign finally completing on 9/23/17 occurs from the 7 min. mark to the 13 min. mark. The date/time stamp is at the bottom of the image and you can watch it advance in time from the dates the creator of the video has selected to begin and end on. Also, I think that you will want to view the video in Full Screen mode by clicking on that icon on the lower right-hand corner of the screen so you can read the dates on the bottom of the screen.

    PS- I forgot what was significant about 12/13/17 which LittleVoice and Luan were discussing but during my search for this video I think I may found another discussion about this. :LOL:
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  9. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria


    Can you post more information about you stated in relation to the date of December 12/13, 2017. I thought that I saw more info on this but I was wrong.

    President Trump just "gave the U.S. Congress 60 days to decide whether to re-impose economic sanctions on Tehran that were lifted under the pact." This brings us to December 12th or 13th depending on whether or not today is counted.

    Thank you.


    This is the original video which I started this thread with and at the 29min mark they begin a discussion on the dragon of Revelation,
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  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I think I found the connection with 12/13/17 and Revelation 12. I am not certain that this is what LittleVoice was referring to but it is pretty interesting especially considering that we now have a connection to this date with a decision on the Iran Nuclear Deal.

    At the 29 min. mark in the video above, they discuss the possible appearance of the Dragon from Revelation 12. I think their ideas on how the Dragon is depicted in the heavens is pretty interesting, IMHO.

    After the WCWTS sign completed on 9/23/17, Mercury catches up with Saturn (Satan), goes into retrograde (appears to stop and return in the direction that it came from) and at the 31:45 mark, you can see that Mercury is in conjunction with the Sun on 12/13/17. In addition, Saturn (Satan) moves into the constellation of Sagittarius which is associated with the Anti-Christ and on 1/13/18 Mercury is in conjunction with Saturn (Satan) once again. Also, it appears that Venus and the Sun remain in conjunction from around 1/5/18 through 1/13/18 (?).


    I also found a video that I posted last December which I think is excellent and it is the opinion of the author of this video that
    the dragon of Revelation 12 is "complete" exactly on the date of 12/13/17.

    He refers to two dates possibly being associated with the Two Witnesses,
    • 4/14-15/14 -
      • the date of the first blood moon of the 2014/2015 blood moon tetrad
      • the appearance of the 2 of the largest known asteroids, Ceres and Vesta just above Virgo
      • 1260 days later is 9/23-24/17 the completion of the WCWTS sign (filial correction)
    • 7/3/14 -
      • 2 of the largest known asteroids, Ceres and Vesta move through Virgo as if "birthed"
      • 1260 days later is 12/13/17 the completion of the sign of the Dragon (deadline for decision on Iran Nuclear Deal)
      • first full day of Hanukkah 2017, Mercury is in conjunction with the Sun
    I have yet to figure out how these two dates relate to Two Witnesses in the real world but I'm working on that. It could have been something that occurred behind the scenes, maybe in relation to the 2015 synod on the family.(?)

    The following link provides a list of conjunctions occurring between planets in 2017 and 2018 which also may have some significance, .
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  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I came across yet another video which might interest some members. This is a pretty detailed video in which the author attempts to tie in various signs in the heavens and events in the world with scripture. It is very well done, IMO, but he does speak of the rapture a few times which is not a Catholic belief. I still think that you may find the video interesting.

    In addition, I want to explain/demonstrate why I gave the date of April 14/15, 2014 for the first blood moon in the 2014/2015 blood moon tetrad by including the following link,

    In this video you will also see why the WCWTS sign is associated with both 9/23/17 and 9/24/17. I am not certain about when the anti-Christ appears no one really knows but the video eludes to the possible timing which I was very weary of a few pages ago in this thread, IOW, a possible misinterpretation of 1260 days. IDK.

  12. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    If first your date doesn’t succeed try, try again. The astronomy event this year was a one of a kind. If THAT was nothing, then nothing in the stars is.
  13. dcana

    dcana Principalities

    Who said it was nothing?

    Signs portend things. Just because something didn't "happen" on that day doesn't mean it wasn't a true sign. Only time will tell.
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  14. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    Then anything can be a sign. My fish dies, if there is a natural disaster tomorrow can I say it was a sign?
  15. sterph

    sterph Archangels

    You know, sometimes dates and numbers frustrate people. But for some of us, that is not true. I wait and watch, pray and hope with my numbers and dates. It does not matter if they are wrong, we know something is happening. Dates and numbers give all that praying and hoping a framework.
  16. dcana

    dcana Principalities

    No, what happened on 9/23 corresponds to the sign St. John saw and then wrote about in Revelation chapter 12. Your fish dying (God forbid) would clearly be of lesser importance. No offense toward you or your fish intended. :) Also, fish die all the time. The events are unremarkable. Signs tend to be more unique. But still, only time will tell the significance of some "sign" or other. And most signs aren't world-wide "theophanies". I think God sends each of us little signs from time to time, for His good purpose and for our benefit.

    Jesus said to the multitudes, "When you see a cloud rising in the west, you say at once, 'A shower is coming'; and so it happens. And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, 'There will be scorching heat'; and it happens. You hypocrites! [not you :) ] You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky; but why do you not know how to interpret the present time?" -- Luke 12

    I am no prophet or prognosticator. I have no real ability to read the "signs of the times". I just find these matters interesting. These are "weird, wild" times in which we live, as well as utterly evil and apostate.

    I ran into a quote by St. Vincent Ferrer a while ago from a sermon he gave on the Last Judgment for the 2nd Sunday of Advent. I find it instructive. Here it is:

    By study of Holy Scripture and by factual experience we know that when any great and heavy affliction is about to come on the world, often some warning sign is shown in the sky. And this happens by the mercy of God, so that people, forewarned of impending tribulation by means of these signs, may obtain in the tribunal of mercy, through prayer and good works, a reversal of the sentence passed against them by God. Or, at least by penance and amendment of life, may prepare themselves against the impending affliction.

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  17. Dean

    Dean Archangels

    dcana, i agree with you. Here is my issues. My issues is all the youtube videos, they were everywhere, told of the end of something, something big coming on 9/23 because of this sign in the sky. now there are new videos all over the place about new signs in the stars. What I am trying to say is these youtube video makers, all making their money off clicks can take anything and make a sign out of it. i could tell them my fish died and if they needed clicks could come up with a story and headline.

    Good news, no fish :)
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  18. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I had never expected fireworks in the sky because of the event in the sky at 23rd September 2017.

    What I was hoping to do was look more closely at what the Book of Revelation speaks about following on from the WCWTS by St John.

    And I wonder if the media and the filth they spew out especially about the Faith, and the ministers of God who have fallen into apostasy might be explained by the water spewed out by the dragon to destroy the Child of the Woman in Revelation. Of course we know He was taken up to Heaven in Revelation. Now the Woman flees to the desert. I wonder if the desert is the hearts of the remnant, where she will be protected until the time God comes to the Rescue. To me the media is like a river of filth, and it floods us every day. Just wondering.

    Wondering if it is time to look more closely at Revelation 13 now.
  19. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

    Maybe the future is not written in stars. St. John could see the real Apparition of Woman during the Miracle in Garabandal. And dragon will want to kill souls of people - who should be reborn in Christ by the Miracle. Therefore archangel Michael will fight with the dragon before this event in the Warning, because before the Miracle the dragon should be bound. This could be the message of Revelation 12.

    But the stars are creations directed by God. They could show to us somothing... eg. that from September 23 to December 13 we should wait for the Warning.
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  20. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    SIGNS have been blinkin' brighter that Las Vega Neon ..... including the Las Vegas Terror Event that seems to become more strange every day. :confused:
    Dates and Date Setters, historically, have a poor "Track-Record". Jesus told us only The Father knows but to watch for the list of signs He laid out. Those SIGNS are abundant now ....... as they were in 454, 1453, 1789, 1848, 1860, 1914, 1938, 1968 ...... but! ... I'm betting that "These-Days" portend a Big-One!!! For any number of Civic, Social, Religious, Fiscal, Environmental, Celestial, Demographic, Electronic, Scientific, ........................ reasons!!


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