The New Babylon

Discussion in 'Books, movies, links, websites.' started by Rey Urena, Oct 19, 2016.


As we are in serious times, where is the New Babylon.

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  1. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    According to Sacred Tradition, the Antichrist will be Jewish, of the Tribe of Dan, and will be a military commander and secular leader in the mold of Nero and Antiochus Epiphanes. These requirements rule out many candidates.
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  2. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Just wondering and please excuse my lack of knowledge.

    Which sacred tradition do you mean?
    Who are the tribe of Dan? Do you mean Scots / Irish, Danish or others?

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  3. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Dan is one of the original twelve tribes of Israel.
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  4. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Thanks Mario, really I was wondering which race is assumed to be the tribe of Dan today?
  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    There are certain theories concerning the "Lost (10) Tribes" of Israel that were for the most part deported to Assyria after the fall of the Northern Kingdom in the 8th c. BC. One example is the position of the Mormons who say the tribes migrated to the New World. The most logical proposition is that once uprooted from their roots in the Promised Land, the tribes were assimilated through intermarriage into surrounding cultures. However, I believe it is possible using modern day genetic technology to determine from what tribe a person of Jewish extraction descends.

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  6. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    The thing that can't be questioned is that St. Pope John Paul had Maria Valtorta's books at his bed side according to his long time secretary/priest wrote this in his book he did on him. It was also St. Mother Teresa's companion book, along with the bible in her travels.
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  7. Byron

    Byron Powers

    It is just such a Catholic interpretation. Catholic teaching is filled with such spiritual symbolism. I could see why Valtorta’s analysis may be the truth.
  8. Byron

    Byron Powers

    And the numbers 666 mean man. So your assessment makes sense. The body is the temple of God. It all points out to mankind‘s actions and thoughts. Babylon today may mean just that. God vs man’s secular intellect.
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  9. Gary david

    Gary david Archangels

    I don't know where it is for sure. Seems to be all over the world now. I can't run, I can't hide, but I can keep praying with my eyes on Jesus. God bless... Gary
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  10. "Quis ut Deus"

    "Quis ut Deus" ADMIN Staff Member

    Irish mythology tells us that the tribe of Dan moved to ireland
    "Tuatha de Danaan"
    You know when Dan was born Jacob referred to him as being a snake that would bite at horses heels
    I wonder when St Patrick chased the snakes from Ireland was it the tribe of Dan?
  11. Indy

    Indy Praying

    Yes, I always believed the Tuatha de Danaan referred to the tribe of dan, and that is was a lot more than just a made up legend. I also read that Denmark is where the tribe moved to afterwards.
  12. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    REVELATION 16:12-21

    12" The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come forth from the mouth of the dragon, from the mouth of the beast, and from the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 These are demonic spirits with the power to work miracles. They were sent to the kings of the entire world to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.

    15 “Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes close by so that he will not have to go naked and be exposed to shame.” 16 These spirits then assembled the kings at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

    17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there followed flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a violent earthquake—so violent that there has never been one like it since the human race has inhabited the earth.

    19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed in ruin. Babylon the Great was also remembered by God, as he made her drink the cup filled with the wine of his fury and wrath. 20 Every island vanished, and no mountains were to be found. 21 Huge hailstones, each weighing about one hundred pounds, fell from the sky on the people, and they cursed God on account of the plague of hail that turned out to be so terrible."

    Someone noticed a significant detail in this biblical passage?. The new Babylon will only be destroyed after a great global earthquake.
    Any city that is destroyed before that would not be the mysterious city in the book.
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  13. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Babylon is coming back to life, with its famed Ishtar Gate to be restored by this summer
    A new World Monuments Fund project in conjunction with the US embassy in Baghdad aims to repair Iraqi cultural heritage as part of the Future of Babylon project
    Hadani Ditmars
    24 March 2022

    The World Monuments Fund assisted in the conservation of the famous Lion of BabylonPhoto: Hadani Ditmars

    A new World Monuments Fund (WMF) project in Babylon, funded as part of a $3m donation by the US embassy in Baghdad first bestowed in 2018, aims to repair and restore the famed Ishtar Gate by this summer.

    As soaring melodies from a concert at the amphitheatre built by Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, on the ruins of a third-century BC foundation, drifted over from the newly revived Babylon festival, the WMF programme director Jeff Allen toldThe Art Newspaper: “The project will help usher in new tourism initiatives designed to enhance the visitor experience and help the local economy. It will also train and employ local Iraqis in heritage conservation techniques.”

    The Babylon festival was revived last year and the 2022 edition is taking place this month and features the famous Iraqi singer Ali JasimPhoto: Hadani Ditmars

    The new initiative is part of the WMF’s 15-year commitment to conservation efforts as part of its Future of Babylon project, initiated in 2008. Collaborating with the Iraqi State Board of Antiquities and Heritage (SBAH) until 2015, the WMF performed extensive surveys and documentation and developed conservation plans. The organisation also assisted with a Unesco World Heritage nomination for Babylon that culminated in its inscription in July 2019 and helped with the conservation and stabilisation of the Lion of Babylon. The projects at the Ishtar Gate and Ninmakh Temple, launched in 2016 and 2019 respectively, will be the beneficiaries of the US embassy funding.

    Babylon was once the pet project of Saddam Hussein, who envisioned himself as a neo-Nebuchadnezzar, and often referred to a Quranic passage linking the ruler of the Babylonian Empire to the liberation of Palestine. To his credit, his budget for upkeep was much higher than the one currently managed by the Iraqi government, but his labour of love and self-aggrandisement—he had stones inscribed with his name as in other ancient sites—also involved much heavy-handed reconstruction in the 1980s and 90s, often using cement bricks and other inappropriate building materials.

    Hussein’s interventions, neglect resulting from 12 years of draconian UN sanctions that bankrupted the country, and subsequent damage by military vehicles in the wake of the 2003 invasion all contributed to Babylon’s demise.

    Ninmakh Temple at Babylon is undergoing urgent repairsPhoto: Hadani Ditmars

    Construction, too, has taken a toll over the years. In 1927, the British ran a railway line through the site, and in the 1980s Hussein built a highway through part of it, along with a palace for himself, complete with a helipad. There are still three existing but non-functioning oil pipelines, two of which were built in the 1970s and 80s and the third of which is more recent—work on it was blocked after the SBAH filed a lawsuit in 2012.

    But today, with renewed internal and foreign tourism and funding from the US embassy and other international donors, Babylon is coming back to life. Its still-eerie, grandiose Hussein-era palaces and guesthouses are filled with international artists invited for the Babylon festival, and thousands of Iraqis flock here every month for parties, weddings and musical boat rides along the Euphrates river.

    The current WMF work at the Ishtar Gate—the eighth and most elaborate gate to the inner city of Babylon, whose north facade was reconstructed and displayed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin in 1930—is addressing issues around changing groundwater levels and its impact on masonry humidity.

    The north façade of the Ishtar Gate, similar to the one pictured here in Babylon, was smuggled out of Iraq and is now housed in the Pergamon Museum in BerlinPhoto: Hadani Ditmars

    According to the SBAH archaeologist Ammar Altaee, although Hussein-era interventions did use some mud and straw-baked bricks, which allowed for proper drainage, the concrete bricks they used that absorb but can’t expel moisture have caused significant damage. Current plans, detailed in conceptual drawings, will address drainage issues with façades of metal netting and local stones. The delicate repair job unfolds brick by brick, with layers from interventions in 1958, when King Faisal was in power, joining Hussein-era concrete and mud bricks, being replaced where possible by newly made baked and fired mud bricks, produced in local workshops in nearby Borsippa. The production of the new bricks, sized and coloured to match the original Babylonian ones (the Hussein-era ones were too small and not the right shade) is simultaneously reviving traditional masonry and training new practitioners.

    Brick reliefs of bulls and dragons, referencing Marduk the supreme god of Babylon and facing incoming visitors to protect the city from evils, look on as repairs to a dangerous staircase make the area a safer experience for tourists.

    Meanwhile at the temple of Ninmakh—the Sumerian goddess said to have created man from a mixture of mud and the blood of a murdered god—urgent repairs are underway to secure damaged walls before the next winter rains cause them to collapse. The mud-brick walls were weakened by a Hussein-era concrete roof that they could not support, which collapsed in 1999, and a second mud roof that replaced it, which was damaged by post-invasion military occupation.

    Gazing out at an ancient well that local legend says is the abode of the mischievous angels Harut and Marut—hung there for eternity by God for teaching magic to mortals—the WMF project manager Osama Hisham notes: “This is only one of many temples that need urgent repair.”
  14. indaiatubano

    indaiatubano Archangels

    The Novel that Predicted the Francis Pontificate
    Fr. Elijah

    I only read this book last week

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  15. AED

    AED Powers

    A classic now. I reread it from time to time.
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Honestly---this troubles my spirit.
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  17. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    there are theologians who think that ancient Babylon will be rebuilt literally rebuilt at the end of time; I do not discard this thesis because when Saint John calls the city the mother of the abominations of the earth, it reminds me that sin was literally born there with the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden (Eden was supposedly located on the banks of the Tiger and euphrates) while in Jerusalem our redemption on the Cross was born. The first pagan civilizations were born in this place like Sumer, Assyria and the Nimrod's Empire itself with its tower of babel.
  18. PurpleFlower

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