The Lady of the Roses

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by LittleVoice, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE

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  2. Harper

    Harper Guest

    This was condemned by the Catholic Church many years ago. The formal statement of the bishop (below) remains in effect:

    November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop Francis Mugavero of Brooklyn

    In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called
    "Bayside Movement" concerning the official position of the Diocese of
    Brooklyn on the alleged "apparitions" of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and
    other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Vernica Lueken.

    Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs.
    Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify
    their activities on behalf of the "Movement." These have taken the form of
    statements in their publications that "since Articles 1399 and 2218 of
    (the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no
    ecclesiastical permission is required, neither can anyone incure censure,
    for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with
    revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or

    As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ's
    faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled "vigils" held at
    Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature
    on this matter.

    I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the
    legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the
    constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation
    revealed that the alleged "visions of Bayside" completely lacked

    Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of
    messages and other literature by this "Movement," I consider it my
    obligation to offer Christ's faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith
    be endangered by "messages" and "teachings" relayed by "visionaries,"
    which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.

    Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the
    Faith, I hereby declare that:

    1. No credibility can be given to the so-called "apparitions" reported by
    Veronica Lueken and her followers.

    2. The "messages" and other related propaganda contain statements which,
    among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church,
    undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill
    doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for
    years, an "imposter (sic) Pope" governed the Catholic Church in place of
    Paul VI.

    3. Those who persistently maintain that "no ecclesiastical permission is
    required for the publication or dissemination" of information concerning
    "revelations, visions or miracles," are erroneously interpreting the
    directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of
    the propaganda literature on the "Bayside Messages."

    In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the "visions of
    Bayside," the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed
    that the principles governing the publication of such religious material
    still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of
    faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58,

    As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature
    are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.

    4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ's
    faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the "vigils"
    and from disseminating any propaganda related to the "Bayside
    apparitions." They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.

    5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in
    the "vigils," organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the
    literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being
    created in the faith of God's people, as well as encouraging them to act
    against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this
    particular Church (c.212, para. 1).

    It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and
    energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms
    which have been approved by the Catholic Church.

    +Bishop Francis Mugavero
    Bishop of Brooklyn
  3. LittleVoice

    LittleVoice WOE WOE WOE
    Desolation of Church started according to the prophecies in 1972.

    Maybe it is the Desolation mentioned in Daniel 8. Then 2300 evenings-mornings could be 2300 sundays, since according to Numeri, Leviticus and Chronicles evenings-mornings are connected with sacrifice.
    2300 weeks = 16100 days=44,1 years
    The last sunday of 1972 was in December 31. Therefore deadline for cleaning of curia by the Warning should be January 29 2017

    But if they were condemned, so my calculations are wrong.
  4. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    The fact that they are condemned is a sure sign that you are not qualified to work out anything. Give it up for pitys sake.
    josephite likes this.

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