The Conclave

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by BrianK, Apr 28, 2025.

  1. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I think they will never see eye to eye on everything and nor should they. But both of them likely have very good hearts, I don't think Prevost would have been chosen otherwise. Now the Pope has some really good allies and support. I expect to see good things.
     
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  2. Pax Prima

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    I don't think the church can look more fake and artificial than it does now. Also the democrat party is in the process of cannibalizing itself. Their ratings are absolutely abysmal and are only going down further each day. Funny thing about Trump, a few days ago he seemed to be promoting Dolan. My guess is that the Cardinals were allowed to choose an American cardinal, but not Dolan. It would have given it away. Wonder why Dolan was not allowed to be considered for Pope.
     
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  3. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    I don’t think C Dolan has dual citizenship. Pope Leo IV carries two continents. Lots more people.

     
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  4. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    We agreed to disagree on this point. When Francis was in power, my faith in the Church was never shaken, and I always saw a prophetic fulfillment of the Third Secret during his pontificate. Bergoglio, through his actions, indirectly served to confirm my faith—especially since I had already seen that famous final interview Malachi Martin gave to Art Bell about the "heretical pope." The sequence of events—Pachamama, COVID, and the closure of churches—only further confirmed for me the prophetic and supernatural aspect of it all.

    The problem arises when the pope of restoration might be linked to a political mandate—especially since Trump himself frequently claims that the 2020 election was rigged and that he had the popular vote but was blocked from taking office.
     
  5. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    The main news program in Brazil aired a report a few minutes ago claiming that Parolin allegedly took revenge on the Italians who abandoned his candidacy by endorsing Cardinal Prevost's bid. Considering that Parolin supported closer ties between the Church and China—which is hardly a priority on Trump's agenda—this gives me hope that these rumors are nothing more than pure speculation.
     
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  6. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    I have not seen or heard this mentioned anywhere.
     
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  7. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    How do you restore the church when it is infested to the point it is? The amount of rumors that swirled around the legitimacy of the election of Pope Francis is absurd, lavender mafia and all. I also do not think this conclave went down without the support of good Cardinals. I think they welcomed the help.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/great-joy-cardinals-burke-sarah-welcome-pope-leo-xiv

    I personally believe 2020 was rigged, I think 2024 was rigged too but the turn out was too big to contain.
     
  8. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I'm not criticizing our friend @Katfalls posts themselves, but rather discussing the implications of a possible coercion by Trump to achieve a result favorable to" his agenda" — unless I misunderstood the Portuguese translation of the post I read.
     
  9. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    The problem, as I mentioned earlier, is when the very idea of restoration could be tied to a very short timeframe—such as a four-year term of the Republican Party—through a financial aid link aimed at saving the Vatican from bankruptcy. However, as I said, the media in Brazil reported that Parolin allegedly took revenge on the Italians who abandoned his candidacy by endorsing Prevost’s candidacy instead, which completely contradicts the theory of a possible agreement with Trump, who is toughening the U.S. stance toward China. I’ll take that as a sign that it’s best not to trust any speculation about external interference in this conclave.
     
  10. Pax Prima

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  11. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Well, I just read that Bannon, Trump’s political strategist, reportedly predicted a few days ago that Prevost would be elected, and that this would be a bad thing because he is progressive and anti-Trump. As bad as that may seem, it would actually mean that any restoration of the Church would have a miraculous character, rather than being the result of a political bias. Prevost affirmed the divinity of Christ and that Our Lord is the only way during his inaugural homily today—something that would certainly not be said by a prototype of the False Prophet, who will try to turn Christ into a thing of the past. A bit of relief for my mind tonight.
     
  12. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Are you implying that Trump saving the Church from the cabal couldn't be miraculous? That Trump would be using the church to nefarious ends if he did? That Trump wouldn't allow a true man of Christ to lead the church? That Bannon somehow knew exactly what was going to be the outcome of conclave in advance?

    I honestly do not see how Trump rescuing the church and it's restoration being miraculous are mutually exclusive. I remember the bullets flying past Trump's head, nothing short of miraculous.
     
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  13. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Yes, God did this. I was so pleased by his homily, so clearly stating that Christ is the Way. None of that word salad going on about God willing a plurality of religions!
     
  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's lovely having a new Pope and I wish him all the very best. I was saying the rosary and offering up Mass for him last night and will continue to do so. I could not help thinking of him alone in the Apostolic Palace last night with the weight of the entire World on his shoulders. My heart goes out to him. Who could envy him? So many challenges on every side, so may big issues and concerns on every side. On the other hand I hear like so many Americans he is a very,very hard worker so hopefully getting stuck into things will distract him a little. Anyway I am sure he is in our hearts and prayers. He does seem to be a good and holy man. I always promised myself that whoever was Pope just to trust he was a good and holy man and let him get on with it for a good long while without comment. So that is fine.

    On the other hand after all the really terrible things that went on the last few years under the abominable Papa Frankie it is natural to have a certain guardedness and watchfulness. To not take our eyes of the ball, so to speak. The fact that we want this to be a Holy and wonderful Pontificate with all our hearts does not necessarily mean that it will be so. Sometimes we want something to be so so much that it can cloud us from gazing clear eyed at things.

    Anyway many prayers for our Holy Father, Pope Leo. He does seem at first to look a Good, Holy and Wise man and please God this is so. He is very much in all our prayers.

    We will see what we will see.

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  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Of one thing can we be certain. God is in charge.
     
  16. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I'm not insinuating anything—if I think something, I say it clearly here for everyone to see. I'm simply stating all the theories I've heard in the Brazilian media about why Prevost was elected. And what I posted about Bannon actually goes against any theory that Trump influenced the conclave. In fact, if Trump had influenced the conclave through some financial support to the bankrupt Holy See, to me that would be far from a miracle. After all, the entire restoration of the Church would then be tied to a specific period, a government, and possibly a political agenda, which would be reversed once the Democratic Party returned to power.

    Trump has shown himself to be quite unstable in his Christian stance, especially when he distanced himself from the pro-life cause several times during his last presidential campaign—although he did have an excellent first term. So, I simply follow the commandment not to trust in the princes of this world but to believe that the restoration of the Church will come from above and won’t be subject to renewal every four years.

    Finally, Prevost has made an excellent start to his pontificate. He doesn't need Bannon, Trump, or any politician—only the Holy Spirit, who transformed liberals like Ratzinger and Pius IX at the beginning of their pontificates into great popes.
     
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  17. Because it's not time yet.
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I agree.
     
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  19. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    What Bannon posted doesn't mean anything, doesn't prove anything. You also sometimes have to take certain positions in politics to make advances later. It's clear you don't like Trump and certainly cannot entertain the idea that he cleaned out the Vatican. Even though history is rife with examples of royalty helping out the Vatican in times of need.

    Looks like the war in Palestine is about to end.
    https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1921037209995464746

    Here's the deal. If all of this is merely coincidence then the status quo will continue. If it isn't then you're going to see a lot of positive changes not only inside the church but also outside the church from here on out. Recognizing Palestine seems like a pretty big positive event.

    Looks like a ceasefire between India and Pakistan just happened as well.
    https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1921174163848401313
     
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  20. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    This is exactly it. No one can say that if it happened one way or another it is then only political, but if it happened the way I think it should have then and only then it is miraculous. Everyone is in this fight right now and God uses who He wills how He wills.
     
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