St. Margaret Clitherow

Discussion in 'The Saints' started by DesertStar7, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 Guest

    :)

    I'll agree.

    I've done quite a bit of online book-buying in recent years. Familiar postal exchange towns are Lexington, Kentucky...Dallas...Phoenix...Glendale Heights, Illinois...

    Never York, Pennsylvania.

    I also don't recall ever having known of that town.

    It'll make receiving and reading this book all the more special. (y)
     
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  2. Mario

    Mario Powers

    DS7,

    I have read that marvelous biography; very inspiring! One of the fascinating insights of the story is how the Protestants in England, especially under Elizabeth, chose a path of incrementalism in their goal of crushing Catholicism. Think of the small, gradual steps our country took to try and wipe out cigarette smoking. You'll see the same process in the English assault on the true Faith. And unfortunately, we see the same with the modernists in our Church now, though they have sped up the process of late.:( May we stand firm as Margaret did who even embraced a horrible method of execution out of love for her children!

    St. Margaret Clitherow, pray for us!
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Margaret was known as the, 'Pearl of York'. Lovely name.

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Basto

    Basto Archangels

    Today, August 30th is celebrated the three canonised women martyrs of the English Reformation: St Margaret Clitherow (1556-1586), St Anne Line (1567-1601), and St Margaret Ward (+1588).


    St Margaret pray for us!
     
  5. Basto

    Basto Archangels

    A few years ago I randomly ended up at the Shrine of St Margaret Clitherow whilst walking along the Shambles on a visit to the beautiful city of York.
     
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  6. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I may be of Irish descent, but on the whole, the English martyrs under Queen Bess are the ones I keep coming back to: a readiness to defend and die for the Faith, from Margaret Clitherow, to Edmund Campion,
    to Nicholas Owen (the priest hole maker). Many more...
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    St Margaret had the most shocking, horrible death. It makes me wonder what on Earth was going through the minds of the people, Protestants and Catholics who did such things to others? How could people who regarded themselves as Christians do such things? For instance the Spanish Inquisition? Where was their conscience?

    St Thomas Moore , when he was Chancellor wrote a pamphlet rejoicing in the burning to death of some poor Protestants in the Hague in the Netherlands. Of course roo under his watch other poor Protestants were slaughtered. It was only when poor St Thomas was put in prison himself that his heart opened.
    St Teresa of Avila wrote that she wished she were a man so she could take up a sword to fight Protestants in the Low countries .

    It reminds me of how we can, as Christuans be blinded by the Spirit of our times.

     
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  8. Mario

    Mario Powers

    How do we live out our Faith in the world, in a changing world, in a world at odds with the Gospel. My wife and I decided to homeschool our children. In the mid-1980s we became involved in a prayer group of Catholic families who would gather on Sunday afternoons after we all had attended Holy Mass at our respective parishes. In a true sense, we were trying to protect our children from a culture no longer rooted in Christian Faith. If we had a chance to do it over, would we hold onto that us-against-the-world attitude? The below is a challenging and insightful clip that reveals the fragmenting affects of the Industrial Revolution and the Catholic speaker's contention that isolation and the resulting compartmentalization are not always the best reaction. To raise children to engage others and "throw love bombs" toward others should not be forgotten.

    There is always a balance to be sought.



    St Therese, teach me on engaging my neighbors in love and inviting them to Church (my initial response to the above).
     
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  9. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers


    I think we can get caught up more in our identities than the actual teaching of the Good News.
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    During the Protestant revolt there seems to have been two approaches to our Protestant sisters and brothers. One school of thought was basically to growl

    The other school of thought , best exemplified by St Francis De Sales was as you suggest to love bomb. St Francis famously said that you win more people with a spoonful of honey than a barrel of vinegar.

    What did Jesus do? I think the answer is it depends who he dealing with. He loved bombed Mary Magdalen and the Samritan woman at the well but nuked the Pharisees , Saducees and lawyers .

    There was no one coat fits all
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I suspect with Jesus when He saw that people would not listen and had no intention of listening He went nuclear.

    If on the other hand He saw a door half opened He gave a gentle push rather than an angry kick.
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There is a Catholic historical propaganda just as there is a Protestant one. Neither have anything to do with truth . The first victim of War is always the truth.
     
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  13. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Exactly, and normally it was the upper class (royalty, nobility) who benefited from using the church as a political arm. Then there are those like St. Francis who lived and breathed the Gospel and changed everything by doing so.
     
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  14. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Insightful conclusion!:D(y)
     

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