'Sister Earth'..Having a, 'Fit' ; Pope Francis

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  1. padraig

    padraig New Member


    WATCH: Pope Francis blames coronavirus on nature ‘having a fit’ over environmental damage
    The Pope told a Spanish journalist Sunday that the coronavirus pandemic is nature throwing a tantrum 'so that we will take care of nature'
    Tue Mar 24, 2020 - 11:15 am EST


    Pope Francis attends the Pachamama ritual in the Vatican Gardens where a pagan 'sacred tree' planting ceremony took place, Oct. 4, 2019, Rome

    March 24, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis told a Spanish journalist on Sunday that he believes that the coronavirus pandemic is nature “having a fit” in response to environmental pollution.

    Stating that “curiously the planet hasn’t been very clean for a long time,” the interviewer asked, “Is it possible that this is nature’s hour of reckoning with us?”

    Pope Francis answered: “There’s a saying that you surely know: God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, [but] nature never forgives.”

    “Fires, earthquakes . . . that is, nature is having a fit, so that we will take care of nature.”

    The expression “having a fit” is a translation of the Spanish word used by Francis, “patalear,” which means to kick or stomp one’s feet, and is often used to refer to outbursts of rage or frustration, sometimes by children having a tantrum.

    Pope Francis’ comments were made during an internet video interview with the Spanish journalist and comedian Jordi Évole on the coronavirus pandemic, in which Pope Francis made scant references to God, except to admit that he has sometimes doubted the existence of God in the past. (However, the video is edited, and parts may have been removed.)

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    “Pardon the question, but in a situation like this one, is it possible to have a crisis of faith?” asked Évole. “Can even a pope doubt the existence of God?”

    “Clearly so,” responded Francis. “No one is exempt from existential temptations.”

    “You have doubted the existence of God?” asked Évole.

    “During my life, yes,” responded Francis. “At this moment no, but during my life, yes, a few times. I recall that in my life I have had my doubts regarding the faith, my crises of faith, but they have been resolved by the grace of God.”

    However, Francis added cryptically: “No one is saved from the common path of the people, which is the best road, the most sure, concrete. And that makes everyone well.”

    Francis declined the offer to make a statement to those who are suffering the loss of loved ones, instead saying he wants them to feel his “closeness.”

    “These days there have been many people that are suffering, especially the people who are losing their loved ones. What would you tell them?” he was asked.

    “The last thing I would do is tell them something,” the pontiff responded. “What I try to do is help them to feel my closeness. Today what is more important is the language of gestures than words. It’s necessary to tell them something, but closeness, gestures, saying hello . . .” His voice trailed off, and Évole continued with another question.

    Asked if he was an “optimist” regarding the situation, Francis answered that he had “hope” in people.

    “I have hope in humanity, in men and women, I have hope in the nations. I have much hope. Nations are going to be taught by this crisis to re-think their lives. We are going to come out better – fewer, of course. Many remain on the road and it is hard. But I have faith that we are going to come out better.”

    The full interview can be found behind a paywall here.

    Pope’s words echo recent statements by ‘liberation theologian’
    The pope’s attribution of the coronavirus pandemic to environmental damage is in keeping with the strongly environmentalist “eco-theology” he has been promoting during his pontificate since the publication of his encyclical “Laudato si” in 2015, and particularly at the recent Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon Region, which tended to displace spiritual concerns with environmental ones.

    Last November, the Pope said that he hoped to add the “‘ecological sin’ against our common home” to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. "We have to introduce―we are thinking about it―to the Catechism of the Catholic Church the sin against ecology, the 'ecological sin' against our common home, because a duty is at stake," the Pope said.

    The Pope has called on Catholics to have an “ecological conversion,” urging them, at one point, to go to confession for sins of not being respectful of creation, giving examples of examination of conscience such as “avoiding the use of plastic and paper,” “separating refuse” and “turning off unnecessary lights.”

    Last October, the Pope published a book titled “Our Mother Earth” which consisted of a collection of his addresses, messages, and homilies where he stresses the protection of the environment. “I sincerely hope for growth in awareness and true repentance on the part of us all, men and women of the 21st century, believers or not, and on the part of our societies, for allowing ourselves to be carried away by logics that divide, create hunger, isolate and condemn. It would be good to ask the poor [and] the excluded for forgiveness. Then we could repent sincerely, including for the harm done to the earth, the sea, the air, the animals," the Pope stated in an extract of one of his messaged included in the book.

    The Pope’s opinion of the origin of natural disasters as nature lashing out against man’s environmental sins is echoed by Leonardo Boff, a dissenting “liberation” theologian who abandoned the Franciscan order and entered into a union with a woman after being censured by the Vatican for attacks on Catholic doctrine. Boff is a strong supporter of Pope Francis and has known him since the 1970s.

    In a recent article for a Brazilian magazine, Boff opined that the coronavirus pandemic is the revenge of “Gaia,” a personified planet earth who has become outraged over environmental offenses, and which he also calls the “Great Mother.”

    “Not without reason did James Lovelock, who formulated the theory of the Earth as a living, self-regulating superorganism, Gaia, write a book (called) Gaia's Revenge (Intrínseca, 2006),” wrote Boff in his article “The Origins of Coronavirus”.

    “I believe that current diseases such as dengue, chikungunya, zika virus, SARS, ebola, measles, the current coronavirus, and the widespread degradation of human relations, marked by deep inequality/social injustice and a lack of minimal solidarity, are a reprisal for Gaia for the offenses we inflict on her without interruption,” he added.

    “It is not without reason that the virus has erupted there where there is most pollution,” wrote Boff, adding: “I would not say, like J. Lovelock, that it is ‘Gaia's revenge’ because she, as the Great Mother, does not take revenge, but gives us severe signs that she is ill (typhoons, melting of the polar ice caps, droughts and floods, etc.) and, finally, because we do not learn the lesson, she makes a reprisal against us like the diseases mentioned,” he wrote, adding “It is a reaction to violent human action.”
  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    He never fails to appall.

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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    ..so its not about the mass murder of unborn children, its not about idol worship in the Vatican, its not about mass pornography, its not about mass apostasy and heresy at the highest levels of the Church, its not about clerical child abuse and its cover up to the very highest levels in the Church (up to including the Papacy), its not about hundreds of millions of Catholics deserting the Church world wide.

    No, according to Pope Francis its down to Global Warming and it's Sister Earth throwing a Tantrum rather than a Chastisement from God.

    But not to worry Sister Earth is merely fixing herself by righting the current CO2 levels.

    Thanks a bunch Holy Father.

    Thanks a whole bunch for nothing.
  4. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Forget about him, Padraig. I posted that link on another thread. Then I watched the Mass online from Caterham. One good thing about this time of safe, legal and rare Masses is that we can tune into Masses being offered in churches we never heard of. Don't let the Pope's weird ramblings take the good out of the feast of the Annunciation - the day that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Find a nice church online and unite with the Mass being offered there. Here's a link to the church in Caterham, England where I "assisted" at their 6 a.m. Mass: https://www.churchservices.tv/caterham They will be offering the TLM at 10 a.m.
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  5. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I am going up now to Church , Dolores and with a little but of help form God will get communion. Also sit in front of the Blessed Sacrament for an hour. I am afraid online masses are a big switch off for me. It is as though I asked for a steak dinner and someone handed me a bit of cardboard. I am a little bit bitter that we are being fobbed off with such stuff and handed a pig in the poke.
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  6. padraig

    padraig New Member

    As to Pope Francis if we were to close our eyes for a second and imagine the Grand Master of a Masonic Lodge were making a speech. Would anything he said be any different from what the Holy Father says?

    I doubt that there is a Freemason on the entire planet that would disagree with a single word he uttered. They would all be sitting there , nodding their heads and then giving him enthusiastic applause at the end.

    It is pure Mason Speak.

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  7. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Be grateful that you can go to Church even if you can't get Communion. They have been reducing the opening times of our parish church ever since they began saying Mass behind closed doors. It was reduced to two hours yesterday before the Government announced the lockdown. I'll be very surprised if our church is opened today.

    And yes, the Masons are in the ascendancy now both inside and outside the Church. But don't forget who is the Alpha and the Omega.
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  8. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I have a Traditional Latin Mass Parish. It has been doing huge things. :)
  9. padraig

    padraig New Member

    “No one is saved from the common path of the people, which is the best road, the most sure, concrete. And that makes everyone well.”

    Pope Francis

    What on earth does this mean? Does anyone know? Do you? Does he?

    Test these words with Scripture. Try and find a passage of Scripture that confirms this. Go ahead, I dare you.

    It's utter and complete goobledegook, that's what it is.:):)
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  10. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    You know that old saying "If you can't blind them with science, dazzle them with BS". Lots of people are dazzled by Pope Francis.
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  12. An Guilbneach

    An Guilbneach Mane Nobiscum Domine

    Dolours I know you live in the Dublin area. You might like to know that Holy Mass will be offered tonight at 7pm in Inchicore Dublin 8 at the Oblates, Church of the Immaculate Conception Tyrconnell road. I am going to Mass at 10am this morning I will offer it up for all on Mother of God forum. Tonight's Mass is the last one. Sadly Holy Communion is only given in the hand so I don't receive.
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  13. padraig

    padraig New Member

    This virus had him flummoxed. Now the devil has him back on an even keel.

    It's Sister earth, stupid. Place a Pachamama Statue in your window; things will be fine.
  14. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

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  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I agree Padraig - he is like a rabbit in the headlights frozen unable to comprehend the dangers ahead.
  16. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Our poor Holy Father must have grown up in the city. City people don't realise how much farmers rely on God to take care of the climate so their efforts are not in vain. I wonder if Holy Father realises milk comes from cows. Remember that wooden packamama breastfeeding a goat or something. :rolleyes:

    Nature is rebelling against man, because man is rebelling against God Holy Father. And you are in the most responsible position to restore the Faith of our fathers and call all souls to turn back to God, give up sinful living and give God a reason to come to our aid.
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  17. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Double like -

    These are the times when we see who are the true leaders - ones who lead from the front giving direction -- who inspire confidence in the midst of tribulation --

    On the other hand -- there are those who haven't got a clue -
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  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    It is quite clear to me that mother earth is not at odds with mankind, because of how we treat her, but how some hierarchy have turned to worship it and not it's creator. Pure pantheism is why mother earth is spewing! It doesn't sound like a exorcism for the earth worshiping in the Vatican by our pope and hierarchy is forthcoming, but if it did, mother earth would calm down, for it is subject to its creator who alone should be worshiped.
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    AED Powers

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  20. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Maranatha


    This is the Canticle from the Book of Daniel used as the canticle of thanksgiving by the Church. It is used in Week 1 Sunday Morning Prayer of the Divine Office, and repeated for each solemnity and other high feast days.


    Canticle — Daniel 3:57-88, 56

    Bless the Lord, all you works of the Lord.
    Praise and exalt him above all forever.
    Angels of the Lord, bless the Lord.
    You heavens, bless the Lord.
    All you waters above the heavens, bless the Lord.
    All you hosts of the Lord, bless the Lord.
    Sun and moon, bless the Lord.
    Stars of heaven, bless the Lord.

    Every shower and dew, bless the Lord.
    All you winds, bless the Lord.
    Fire and heat, bless the Lord.
    Cold and chill, bless the Lord.
    Dew and rain, bless the Lord.
    Frost and chill, bless the Lord.
    Ice and snow, bless the Lord.
    Nights and days, bless the Lord.
    Light and darkness, bless the Lord.
    Lightnings and clouds, bless the Lord.

    Let the earth bless the Lord.
    Praise and exalt him above all forever.
    Mountains and hills, bless the Lord.
    Everything growing from the earth, bless the Lord.
    You springs, bless the Lord.
    Seas and rivers, bless the Lord.
    You dolphins and all water creatures, bless the Lord.
    All you birds of the air, bless the Lord.
    All you beasts, wild and tame, bless the Lord.
    You sons of men, bless the Lord.

    O Israel, bless the Lord.
    Praise and exalt him above all forever.
    Priests of the Lord, bless the Lord.
    Servants of the Lord, bless the Lord.
    Spirits and souls of the just, bless the Lord.
    Holy men of humble heart, bless the Lord.
    Hananiah, Azariah, Mishael, bless the Lord.
    Praise and exalt him above all forever.

    Let us bless the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
    Let us praise and exalt him above all forever.
    Blessed are you, Lord, in the firmament of heaven.
    Praiseworthy and glorious and exalted above all forever.


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