Russia Implodes-Check Mate

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by little me, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    That's exactly what's happening.

    Putin, imperfect though he may be, is a Christian and not ashamed of it in public. Putin is not a Freemason and therefore can't be bought and controlled. I don't think God is going to stand with the Freemason-controlled West in a war with Russia. Russia is not the aggressor in this current conflict. The 1984 Consecration changed the equation and now Satan (via Freemasons in the West) seeks to wage war against Russia - a nation that now has the favor of the Woman.
     
  2. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Russia today is vengefully returning to international politics after temporarily receding after the collapse of the Soviet empire. Moscow is lashing out with tenacious diplomatic and military support for the brutal regime in Syria that has butchered more than one hundred thousand Syrians to crush a civil war. Moscow too is militarily dismembering neighboring Ukraine by occupying Crimea and sponsoring an insurgency in the eastern part of the besieged country that had longed to integrate into Western civilization. Moscow’s aggression has cowed the United States and European states, while states closer to Russia’s borders fear that they will soon be politically, militarily, and economically coerced by President Vladimir Putin.

    These rapidly unfolding and tragic events should jar the memories of faithful Catholics of the promise our Blessed Mother made at her apparitions in Fatima, Portugal at the turn of the last century. According to William Thomas Walsh’s beautiful book Our Lady of Fatima, the Blessed Mother told three children at Fatima on 13 July 1917: “I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays. If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.” The series of Fatima apparitions concluded with the famous “dancing of the sun” on 13 October 1917, which was witnessed by tens of thousands of pilgrims.

    Two of Fatima’s seers, Jacita and Francisco, died in childhood, but Lucia lived a long life in anonymous seclusion. Lucia fled the public attention and controversy that surrounded the Fatima apparitions, the likes of which have been all too typical of authentic Marian apparitions throughout the two thousand years of Church history, for life as a cloistered nun.

    The Fatima apparitions have been marked by a nearly one hundred year controversy over whether or not the Church has consecrated Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart as Our Lady requested. Sister Lucia, in a 1946 interview with author Walsh, “made it plain that Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world to her Immaculate Heart. What she demanded specifically was the consecration of Russia. She did not comment, of course, on the fact that Pope Pius XII had consecrated the world, not Russia, to the Immaculate Heart in 1942.”

    Sister Lucia’s understanding of Fatima was enriched by a deep prayer life filled with private revelations. Our Lady appeared to Lucia often until she died on 13 February 2005 at the age of ninety-seven, report Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone with Giuseppe De Carli in their 2008 book The Last Secret of Fatima. As Lucia elaborated to Walsh, apparently drawing on a private revelation she had in 1927, “What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, she will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.”

    Popes over the subsequent decades have consecrated the world writ large but not specifically Russia and not in unity with all the Church’s bishops of the world. Saint John Paul II in St. Peter’s Square on 25 March 1984, for example, consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. More recently, Pope Frances in October 2013 consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in front of some 150,000 pilgrims in Rome, according to the National Catholic Register.

    Nevertheless, many observers argue that these consecrations of the world fulfilled the request of Our Lady of Fatima. Most notably one the Church’s highest officials, Cardinal Bertone, who served as both secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and later as the Vatican’s secretary of state, in The Last Secret of Fatimashared details of his 17 November 2001 interview of Sister Lucia in her convent. By Bertone’s account, Sister Lucia said, “the consecration Our Lady wished for was performed in 1984, and that is was accepted by Heaven.”

    The Catholic Church no doubt has been reluctant to specifically consecrate Russia to avoid offending the Russian Orthodox Church. As Bertone and De Carli explain, “The consecration of Russia obviously posed a very tricky religio-political problem for Pope John Paul II. The pope, not wishing to offend the sensibilities of our ‘special brethren,’ the Orthodox, remained cautious. An explicit consecration would have been received by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Alexi II, as a declaration of war.”

    But would a Catholic consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary justifiably be seen by the Russian Orthodox Church as “an act of war”? If the Russian Orthodox Church consecrated the Roman Catholic Church to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, would Rome be offended? Or would Rome be justifiably grateful and extend its brotherly thanks to Moscow recognizing that in this gravely troubled world both east and west desperately need any and all help from our Blessed Mother. Moreover, we Catholics call ourselves members of the “universal” church. Why then should the universal church make a hard stop at Russia’s political borders? Do we fear a Russian Orthodox politically motivated backlash? Are we not told repeatedly to “fear not” in the Holy Bible? Catholics therefore should have no fear and ignore political borders, especially in this time of new evangelization, to do service for our Blessed Mother and the world.

    The Russian Orthodox Church, moreover, often acts more as a political instrument for President Putin than as an ethical check on his power. It appears not to be rendering onto the Russian Caesar what is his, but instead seems to be doing Putin’s bidding as an extension of Russia state power. Russian Orthodox Church Patriarch Kirill once famously likened Putin’s reign to “a miracle of God” and the Orthodox Church has financially benefited from close ties to political-economic oligarchy that controls Russia to build or restore about 25,000 churches in the past 25 years, according to Reutersreporter Gabriela Baczynska.

    Despite his intentions, Cardinal Bertone’s book has not settled the stirring and persistent controversy as to whether or not Our Lady of Fatima’s consecration request has been fulfilled. Indeed, the long running controversy in the ears of Church laymen often has an annoying “he said, she said” ring to it with those saying the promise has been fulfilled trading barbs against those who say it has not.

    Instead of chasing down that rabbit hole, perhaps a more constructive and informative contribution to the debate would take a step back and ask central and critically important questions. Does Russia today look and act like it has been converted as Our Lady of Fatima promised would be the case if it were consecrated to her? Or one might put the same question into more theological terms. Do we see the spiritual “fruits” of Russia’s conversion?

    The answer to both of these questions is a resounding no. After the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union without the resort to war, hopes were raised that the various consecrations of the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart were starting to bear spiritual “fruits.” But these hopes have been dashed as Russia rested, recouped, and returned with a new version of its militant nationalism to wreak havoc at home and abroad.

    Russia’s alleged return to Christianity after atheistic communist days, like so much of what is Russia, is a Potemkin village. Expert Pew polling shows that there has been an upswing in affiliation with the Russian Orthodox Church as the share of Russian adults identifying themselves as Orthodox increased from 31 percent to 72 percent between 1991 and 2008. Despite the increase in religious identification, no more than about one in ten Russians say they attend religious services at least once per month. One out of ten Russians going to church once a month is hardly the massive surge in religious conversion as one might expect from Our Lady’s Fatima promise.

    Russia’s demographic crisis that includes the breakdown of nuclear families and widespread abortion also shows it has not been converted. As political economist Nicholas Eberstadt assesses in the Foreign Affairs magazine, “The country’s population is shrinking, its morality levels are nothing short of catastrophic, and its human resources appear to be dangerously eroding. Indeed, the troubles caused by Russia’s population trends—in health, education, family formation, and other spheres—represent a previously unprecedented phenomenon for an urbanized, literate society not at war.” Jonathan V. Last in his book What to Expect When No One’s Expectingpaints a grim picture of Russia’s demographic disaster with Russia having the world’s highest divorce rate and abortion so rampant that 13 abortions are performed in Russia today for every 10 live births...http://catholicexchange.com/russia-consecrated-mary
     
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  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Our Lady , as I recall, mentioned in one of her messages that, 'Your leaders are demons incarnate'.

    I see what she means.
     
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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    And so must radical extremist groups like the Taliban and ISIS.
     
  5. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Archangels

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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

  7. Bonaventure

    Bonaventure Guest

  8. Bonaventure

    Bonaventure Guest

    Sr Lucia said Heaven accepted the Consecration and it was done. St John Paul II said he DID the consecration....I don't tend to question saints....I will mention the First Five Saturdays....is everybody doing them? If not, maybe that's part of the problem?
     
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  9. Scolaire Bocht

    Scolaire Bocht Archangels

    Yep and in general I think we could compare the situation to the buildup to WWII.

    You see if you were around then I wonder if you might agree a bit that Germany was in the right? When it united with Austria it was with the consent of that people, and the Sudetenland people, and when she went into the Rhineland she was only correcting the blatant injustices of the Versailles Treaty.

    Even, to a small extent, Catholics sympathized with her aversion to Jews who after all probably did have disproportionate power in Germany before that.

    But you can see that taking this general sympathy and throwing your lot in with Germany would have been a terrible mistake in the 30s and that's the way I look upon Putin now.

    Yes there actually is justice, in part, in the Russian position now. For example it's obviously the West that destabilized Ukraine first and so their sanctions are totally hypocritical but that should not blind people to the very deep faults of Putin's Russia. In practice it's a kind of mafia state and Putin is the head mafia boss so be wary before saying nice things about him I'd say!
     
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  10. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    This is the point. Can you name the specific date and quote that Sister Lucia said, "heaven accepted the consecration and it was done". We all know that others, specifically Cardinal Bertone, have said that Sister Lucia stated this, but to my knowledge this is all we have is second hand statements made in her name. Where is the peace that was supposed to come after the consecration? Can you name one pope that has said it was fullfilled?
     
  11. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Unemployment creates wars...in Germany it was over 40%. Thats what helped Hitler to gain power.

    Today, the middle east has over 40% unemployment. With the collapse of ruble, unemployment must be in high 30%. And china has 2/3 of its population in financial hardships.

    If the middle east attacks Israel, and China attacks Japan and Taiwan, Russia will go after eastern Europe.

    We are all in big problems.

    Brother al
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    You know I was torn two ways today. What we reading on the forum at the minute is really, really...well lets me honest, not so much frightening as terrifying.

    So my conscience was bothering me. I thought to myself is it right on a Marian forum like this to so scare people? Is it charitable? ..and I had grave misgivings.

    So I too it to the Lord in prayer, mostly to Our Lady to seek advice.

    Then all at once it came to me. What we are sharing is not something new. Our Lady herself was sent from heaven to many, many places to warn us about these things with messages which, let's be honest, are hair raising, for instance at Fatima, at Garabandal, at Kibeho in Rwanda , at Akita in Japan and on and on and on...

    But people tend to take the easy stuff out and leave to one side the rough. But these messages had a very,very rough edge indeed. So really all that is being talked about here is a recapitulation of what the Mother of God herself has told us...again and again and again...

    But I feel the most immense sadness. These things were not the choice of God but that of mankind.

    So sad, so very, very sad.

    If the Holy Father takes a notion to fly to Moscow on a peace mission..well...

     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

  14. little me

    little me Archangels

    This is just the reality in which we live. Some may find it scary, at first. But once you settle into the notion that God controls it all, that we are actually in exile here on earth, and that heaven awaits us - I think a peaceful blanket settles on you and you're ready to get this show on the road.
     
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  15. fallen saint

    fallen saint Baby steps :)

    Little Me,
    Spoken like a true saint...all we can do is accept the moment. Pray hard and live life with a happy face
    :)
    I was thinking today about a time i dropped my rosary, out of
    my pocket. My friend who saw them was surprised and called them my worry beads. Looking back it didn't mean too much to me. But know I can see where the world would call them worry beads. I think they are more battle beads. I really don't see why we should worry. God is in control. Lets have faith in Gods master plan. We are all just a small part of a big puzzle.

    May Gods Will be Done
     
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  16. kathy k

    kathy k Guest

    At the same time, based on the warnings of our Blessed Mother, this storm will bring terror, and death up through our windows. We MUST be so imbedded in her heart, and so accustomed to trusting Jesus with everything, despite the horrible reality, or we'll be defeated by fear. (I know from 35 years of handling medical emergencies that fear makes you stupid, deaf and blind.)

    Hear, you women, the word of the LORD,
    let your ears receive the word of his mouth.

    Teach your daughters a dirge,
    and each other a lament:

    20 Death has come up through our windows,

    has entered our citadels,

    To cut down children in the street,

    young people in the squares.
    k

    21Corpses shall fall

    like dung in the open field,

    Like sheaves behind the harvester,

    with no one to gather them.

    Jeremiah 9-21

    This passage is followed immediately by this:


    True Glory

    22Thus says the LORD:

    Let not the wise boast of his wisdom,

    nor the strong boast of his strength,

    nor the rich man boast of his riches;

    23But rather, let those who boast, boast of this,

    that in their prudence they know me,
    l

    Know that I, the LORD, act with fidelity,

    justice, and integrity on earth.

    How I take delight in these—oracle of the LORD.

    Jeremiah 9: 22-23

    God is so good to us!!!
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I must say I am very,very surprised that no other Catholic website that I know of appears to have put the pieces together about all this from Prophecy. Why is no one else sounding the alarm? I am amazed and perplexed by this.

    Has anyone any thoughts on this? :(
     
  18. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    Glenn Beck & his Blaze TV/Radio ( http://www.theblaze.com/) has been all over the Russia Crisis ... and North Korea .... but, at least, in BoobLand USA the boobs be dreaming of Sugar Plum Fairies ;-)
    Christmas is the perfect time to disrupt/attack the USA/West!
     
  19. lamp

    lamp Guest

    Very disturbing developments detailed on zerohedge.com:"Lethal aid" now a real possibility for Ukraine:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...response-obama-makes-lethal-aid-ukraine-legal

    And with that, US "lethal aid" will shortly begin arriving in Kiev, which in turn will be just the pretext needed by Sergey Lavrov and the Kremlin to escalate the recent events in Russia as a direct attack by the West, and to demand retaliation against a US president who "does not reason" as the Russian media will appeal to the population in an attempt to "rally round the flag", and as a result Russian tanks may have no choice but to enter the separatist territories in East Ukraine.
     
  20. Bartimaeus

    Bartimaeus Archangels

    Is that Leo Varadkar and Enda Kenny and the rest of our Irish government you're on about, or the Scottish Supreme court or....
    pick a leader any leader...
     

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