PUBLIC Mass suspended

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  1. padraig

    padraig New Member

    Quarantine and Isolation
    The use of quarantine as a public health measure dates back to the 14th century when the Black Death ravaged Italy and the rest of Europe. Quarantine comes from the Italian quarantena, meaning forty-day period. Travelers and merchandise that had potentially been exposed to disease were isolated for a period of time to ensure that they weren't infected. Some cities and towns would create a "cordon sanitaire,' a physical barrier that could only be crossed with permission. This practice persisted into the late 19th century and early 20th century. When plague threatened San Francisco, the Chinese section was quarantined by encircling it with a rope with armed guards to ensure that unauthorized individuals did not pass through. a "cordon sanitaire" was also used during an outbreak of bubonic plague in 1899-1900 in Honolulu's Chinatown. Fourteen blocks of the city were literally cordoned off, isolation 10,000 people..


    While quarantine is one of the oldest public health measures, it is still useful today. During the SARS epidemic, Toronto quarantined individuals who had potentially been exposed by confining them to their homes until it was certain that they weren't infected. This measure was effective in controlling SARS because individuals infected with SARS were not infectious until they began to exhibit symptoms. Consequently, if an individual was possibly exposed, but did not yet show symptoms, quarantine prevented them from infecting others. However, quarantine is less useful for diseases like influenza, when an infected person can spread the disease even before they begin having symptoms. Quarantine is different from isolation, which is separation of a person who has the disease; quarantine refers to the separation of an individual who has possibly been exposed to disease.
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  2. padraig

    padraig New Member

    The Church Authorities and everyone else back in 1918 knew perfectly well how the flu was passed. Which is why people wore masks.

    The reason why they did not close the Churches was that they had more and stronger Faith.
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  3. padraig

    padraig New Member

    When was the last time churches in the U.S. were closed?


    It’s difficult to find a precedent for the current suspension of public Masses, but St. Louis experienced this in 1918.
    Catholic dioceses declaring a suspension of public Masses during the current health emergency seems to have little or no precedent in U.S. history.
    By Thursday morning, pretty much every American Latin Catholic diocese and archdiocese, as well as Eastern Catholic eparchies, had instructed pastors that while they may and should continue to celebrate Mass privately, no congregants may be present. Churches may be open at times for the faithful to pray individually, but no gatherings should be allowed. Other Christian churches, synagogues, mosques and temples are also suspending services, as part of an effort to stem the spread of COVID-19 before the pandemic can overwhelm healthcare institutions.

    “I don’t think there is a precedent,” said John T. McGreevy, the Francis A. McAnaney Professor of History at the University of Notre Dame. “I can imagine it happened in 1918 but know of no other precedents.”

    1918 was the year another pandemic took hold of America — and the world. The so-called “Spanish Flu” claimed some 50 million lives worldwide — 675,000 in the United States. It was during that pandemic that at least one diocese responded to public officials’ request to shutter churches, to help prevent spread of the flu.

    Elisabeth A. Eisele of KMOV in St. Louis prepared a report on the extraordinary measures taken by Max C. Starkloff, the St. Louis City Health Commissioner in 1918. It was in an Army barracks that St. Louis had its first influenza cases in early October of that year, and soon, city dwellers started getting sick. Starkloff “took aggressive action and began to shut down the city,” Eisele wrote. The health commissioner closed schools, theaters and places of amusement. He banned public gatherings of more than 20 people. Starkloff went on to close the court, playgrounds, library reading rooms, pool halls, and fraternal lodges. He limited the use of public transportation, and department stores operated under restricted hours.

    Sound familiar?

    “The following day, [Starkloff] closed churches for the first time in the city’s history,” Eisele wrote. “That earned him the ire of Archbishop John Glennon, who protested that decision, but he eventually temporarily suspended the weekly Mass obligation for Catholics.”

    Missouri Medicine, journal of the Missouri State Medical Association, in a retrospective on the centennial of the 1918 influenza pandemic, wrote that churches eventually were allowed to reopen, with strict attendance limits.

    “Fr. Frederick Holweck, pastor at St. Francis de Sales Church, was turned in to the St. Louis police after 200 parishioners were seen in his church, a violation of the city’s anti-crowding ordinance,” the journal wrote. “Fr. Holweck explained that many worshipers had sneaked in through the church’s side windows out of his view. Charges were not pressed.”

    Missouri Medicine added that despite the severe restrictions placed on houses of worship, saloons were allowed to remain open throughout the epidemic (in both St. Louis and Kansas City), three months before the Volstead Act established prohibition.

    The restrictions might have been annoying, but they resulted in St. Louis experiencing one of the lowest influenza rates of cities comparable to its size, Eisele wrote. “Of the 31,500 who got sick in St. Louis only 1,703 died.”

    Compare that to Philadelphia, where 2,600 deaths alone were thought to be traced to a big public parade held the week before.
  4. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    The bishop of Philadelphia closed the churches and opened them to the sick. 2000 nuns helped as nurses. I posted that awhile back on this thread. (During Spanish Flu)
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  5. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    I posted this sermon from Sensus Fidelium on another thread earlier today. It really is worth listening to on the topic of the suspension of public Mass.

  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I finally watched this EXTREMELY good video. Very holy and Catholic. Thank you very much for posting it again.
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Adoremus, Thank you for posting this. I plan to watch it today.

    A friend of mine told me about the following priest/church close to where I am on Long Island who is televising Sunday mass at 10am EST. I tuned in to it Live yesterday and I thought that he was very good. I see now that he is airing daily mass too. I think that most people have determined how they are going to access mass remotely for now but I thought that I would post the link here just in case it can help someone.
  8. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    As for me and my household, we will trust in the Lord and go to church if we could. But unfortunately our bishop has put the halt in going to the house of God for mass. Why does scripture and our preachers preach faith, when they run scarred? Seems this is a precursor to decisions coming when the Man of Sin appears. We are being conditioned to fear. Good
    time to watch the movie Apostle Paul once again.
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  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Fatima, please view the video above posted by Adoremus. Fr Hardon is quoted in it.
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  10. Arby

    Arby Guest

    I would go to mass and the Blessed Sac Chapel during some of this but not the worst of it.
    But alas, I have no PPE (peronal protective equiptment), nothing, no mask, no suitable gloves, ...cant touch a door handle, cant use the bathroom --even to wash my hands (you get contaminated going in and out), breathe in around other people etc.

    I cant even go in the building with no one else around for I will be contaminated/infected.
    And certainly each virus/bacteria is different as to these things. Nobody quite knew these things over 120 or 150 years ago.

    Yes Quarantines and Self-Isolation are very pro life and therefore very Catholic.
    Or maybe can be worded...vice a versa.
    Matthew 16:25
    For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

    I think this more prescient to other situations especially when my duty to attend has been dismissed temporarily for good reason by my Bishop.
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  11. jackzokay

    jackzokay Archangels

    We're about to start the family rosary here (but late on the batter), but I'll get a wee listen after it. I'm looking forward to hearing it...
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  12. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    On June 9, 1931, the Feast of Corpus Christi, Padre Pio was ordered by the Holy See to desist from all activities except the celebration of the Mass, which was to be in private. By early 1933, Pope Pius XI ordered the Holy See to reverse its ban on Padre Pio’s public celebration of Mass,
    How did Padre Pio react?
  13. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    Padraig, I hope and pray you are able to find peace with what our Dear God has permitted in this Holy Season of Lent. I sympathise with you because all this left me in turmoil. But if God wills that we should have the Lampstand removed because of the obstinate sin of Apostasy over the last number of years. Maybe we can offer the pain of our loss in reparation for all the outrages and offenses against His most Holy and Sacred Majesty. Unite your pain with Jesus as He died on the Cross when He said, "Why hast Thou deserted Me." That was when Jesus felt deserted by Heavenly Father. Now we get a taste of how He felt.
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    “No servant is greater than the Master”
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  15. non sum dignus

    non sum dignus Archangels

    60 priests have died in Italy in the last month from the virus.

    No one knows at this point if they are a carrier unless they were just tested.

    If you knew you were infected would you go to an elderly saintly priest to recieve Communion if he was the only option?

    Or would you sacrifice your own desire for the Eucharist to not endanger the priest, and wait till the virus had died down.

    It's not about risking our own life to receive.....I am sure many here on the forum would do that. Rather it is about risking the lives of others for own desire.

    Mary was deprived of her son on Calvary. We can offer it up.
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  16. padraig

    padraig New Member

    I don't have any choice about attending public mass, none of us do. The same Bishops who supported Pope Francis to the hilt of kept quiet have decided to stop us going.

    This Chastisement has two main elements.

    The virus itself which is terrible.

    The second is the cessation of the mass. This is far, far more terrible.
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  17. padraig

    padraig New Member

    What choice do we have but to obey? The same Bishops who sold out to Pope Francis have sold out once again.

    The very same people who brought these Chastisements down on our heads have stopped the Holy Sacrifice of the mass.

    Bad enough in itself. But the fact that Catholics themselves are falling over themselves to tell everyone what a good thing this is , is the final nail in the coffin.
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  18. padraig

    padraig New Member

    When Jesus celebrated the first Mass it was certainly a Health and Safety issue. They had a State informant, Judas in their presence and the Temple Police were actively seeking ways to arrest Him.

    Happily when they did arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane the Apostles who were totally alert to personal Health and Safety concerns, took to their heels and left Him alone to it.

    People are still very alert to personal Health and Safety issues and are still very eager to flee and leave Him alone to it.

    Nothing's changed.

    Thank goodness the folks in the Catacombs overlooked Health and Safety concerns, for all our sakes.

    People will risk going to out to get food for the table, but going out for the Bread of Life is a Health and Safety Issue.

    People will risk going out to get fuel so their vehicle will run but will not risk hearing the Word of God proclaimed for it is a Health and Safety issue.

    People will risk taking their dogs for a walk, but will not risk a visit to their local Church because it is a Health and Safety issue.

    People will risk going into work all day because it is, 'Essential', but will not risk half an hour at mass because it is a Health and Safety issue.

    Funny how so many things are not Health and Safety issues but that the holy Sacrifice of the mass has become such a huge, huge Health and Safety concern.

    But mark my words ; that which Catholics so easily dropped and lost will not be so easily picked up again.

    It was easy to lock the Church doors; it will not be so easy to reopen them.
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  19. padraig

    padraig New Member

    COVID-19: Two Catholic priests booked in Kerala for violating orders by conducting mass
    Fr Thomas Pattamkulam, vicar of St Joseph Forane Church at Kollichal and his assistant vicar Joseph Orath have been booked for endangering public health.

    St Joseph Forane Church at Kollichal

    By Express News Service
    KASARGOD: Kerala Police booked two Catholic priests for conducting mass in which around 150 persons attented, despite strict direction to suspend services in the wake of coronavirus disease in Kasaragod district.

    Fr Thomas Pattamkulam, vicar of St Joseph Forane Church at Kollichal in Panathady gram panchayat, and his assistant vicar Joseph Orath have been booked for endangering public health, said Rajapuram inspector Babu Peringath.

    The priests have been charged with Section 188 of the Indian Penal Code (Disobeying order passed by public servant and which can cause danger to human life, health or safety) and Section 269 of the IPC (negligent act likely to spread infection of disease dangerous to life), said the inspector.

    ALSO READ| Ernakulam-Angamaly archdiocese exempts faithful from the obligation for Sunday Mass

    Earlier this week, Kasargod collector D Sajith Babu banned assembly of more than 50 persons in public places, auditoriums, marriage halls, convention centres, and community halls to curb the spread of COVID-19.

    The order was issued under the Disaster Management Act, 2005, and Madras Public Health Act, 1939. "In the event of any violation, police inspectors were empowered to take necessary steps to disperse the crowd," he said in the order.

    After the order was issued, the collector intervened and cancelled a temple festival in Kumbla. Rajapuram inspector Peringath said he telephoned the vicar and asked him to cancel the service.

    On Thursday, when the special squad comprising revenue officials and police reached the church, the mass was going on and there were around 150 persons inside, said the officers. "We dispersed the persons and ended the mass," he said.

    Fr Pattamkulam said that he was unaware he was charged by the police. "But we had taken all precaution before conducting the mass, which was part of the church's Feast. We had cancelled the celebrations and was conducting the mass," he said.

    The pews were placed at a distance of 1.5m and the laity was provided with hand wash before entering the church, he said. "But when the officials came, we agreed to call off the mass and not conduct it again," he said.

    However, he admitted that there were more than 50 persons inside the church. According to the sources, a section of the church members had asked the vicar to call off the service. "When he went ahead with the service, they informed the police," said a member.

    If convicted, the priests will face imprisonment up to six months, or fine of Rs 1,000 or both.
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